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Gender Divide On The Gun Debate

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I believe there is quite a big gender divide on the gun debate. Most of the people who want gun rights are men. Most of the people who want more gun control and more gun restrictions up to and including complete bans are women. There are exceptions to this. There are men who are against gun rights and there are women who are for gun rights but the vast majority of the time its men who are for gun rights and women who are against gun rights. If we were to eliminate a gender from the gun debate, for instance if we were to eliminate women fro the gun debate it would probably be very one sided and there wouldn't be much of a debate and we would all have gun rights. I find it ironic about how many women are against gun rights considering that often its women that need guns more than men.
 
DebateChallenge said:
I believe there is quite a big gender divide on the gun debate. Most of the people who want gun rights are men. Most of the people who want more gun control and more gun restrictions up to and including complete bans are women. There are exceptions to this. There are men who are against gun rights and there are women who are for gun rights but the vast majority of the time its men who are for gun rights and women who are against gun rights. If we were to eliminate a gender from the gun debate, for instance if we were to eliminate women fro the gun debate it would probably be very one sided and there wouldn't be much of a debate and we would all have gun rights. I find it ironic about how many women are against gun rights considering that often its women that need guns more than men.
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Seven times in your post you use the term GUN RIGHTS. I realize this is a popularly used phrase - but it does bring up the question as to how guns have rights? Or is it merely a political ploy to elevate guns to the status where the term implies in the mind that they have rights?

People have Second Amendment rights.
 
DebateChallenge said:
I find it ironic about how many women are against gun rights considering that often its women that need guns more than men.
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Neither sex really needs a gun to protect themselves at all. Men just tend to grow up hunting and watching too many action movies.
 
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haymarket said:
Seven times in your post you use the term GUN RIGHTS. I realize this is a popularly used phrase - but it does bring up the question as to how guns have rights? Or is it merely a political ploy to elevate guns to the status where the term implies in the mind that they have rights?

People have Second Amendment rights.
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Its a pity I have to spell this out but "gun rights" means the rights of people to own, carry, and use guns.

Now that we got that out of the way perhaps you can stay on the subject of this thread and not miss the point.
 
DebateChallenge said:
I believe there is quite a big gender divide on the gun debate. Most of the people who want gun rights are men. Most of the people who want more gun control and more gun restrictions up to and including complete bans are women. There are exceptions to this. There are men who are against gun rights and there are women who are for gun rights but the vast majority of the time its men who are for gun rights and women who are against gun rights. If we were to eliminate a gender from the gun debate, for instance if we were to eliminate women fro the gun debate it would probably be very one sided and there wouldn't be much of a debate and we would all have gun rights. I find it ironic about how many women are against gun rights considering that often its women that need guns more than men.
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its no secret that women are far more likely to endorse nanny state government-especially single women. Married women are less likely to be Democrats than single women. Plus traditional issues single women support-abortion rights, Title VII, Title IX, are more likely to be supported by anti gun politicians and thus this drives many women into supporting gun banners. Countries that -in the last 100 years-gave women the franchise-saw support for nanny state agendas increase. Many women who are against gun rights are motivated by politics first (political issues that don't encompass firearms) rather than an anti gun or more importantly, anti NRA view.
 
MrWonka said:
Neither sex really needs a gun to protect themselves at all. Men just tend to grow up hunting and watching too many action movies.
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And what do you propose a woman should do if a larger, stronger man is trying to beat up, rape, and murder her?
 
MrWonka said:
Neither sex really needs a gun to protect themselves at all. Men just tend to grow up hunting and watching too many action movies.
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so cops, bodyguards etc don't need guns?
 
DebateChallenge said:
And what do you propose a woman should do if a larger, stronger man is trying to beat up, rape, and murder her?
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well the liberal talking points are for the woman to crap herself, and make her self less attractive or to scream.
 
TurtleDude said:
its no secret that women are far more likely to endorse nanny state government-especially single women. Married women are less likely to be Democrats than single women. Plus traditional issues single women support-abortion rights, Title VII, Title IX, are more likely to be supported by anti gun politicians and thus this drives many women into supporting gun banners. Countries that -in the last 100 years-gave women the franchise-saw support for nanny state agendas increase. Many women who are against gun rights are motivated by politics first (political issues that don't encompass firearms) rather than an anti gun or more importantly, anti NRA view.
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Nice regard for women you have there, Turtle. :roll:
 
MrWonka said:
Cops and bodyguards aren't a gender they are an occupation.
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you said people don't need guns for self defense. I hate to say this but maybe if you were attacked, you'd get some wisdom. I never expected to get attacked years ago in a fairly safe college area but I did and I shot one of the two attackers. the people who used to come through my CCW classes and advanced pistol courses included more than a few people who had been assaulted.
 
Phys251 said:
Nice regard for women you have there, Turtle. :roll:
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Its truthful. why do you think there is the well publicized GENDER GAP in voting. I didn't check 2016, but I recall evidence that since 1920, the GOP won the male vote in every presidential election save LBJ.
 
DebateChallenge said:
And what do you propose a woman should do if a larger, stronger man is trying to beat up, rape, and murder her?
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The vast majority of women who are beaten and raped have it done to them in such a way or in such a place or by such a person that having a gun handy would be unlikely to make any difference. This is the reality of almost all crime that people think their gun will save them from.
 
It's just like a bunch of men to be discussing what women do and don't want and getting it all completely wrong.

:mrgreen:
 
TurtleDude said:
you said people don't need guns for self-defense.
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That's correct. People, in general, do not. Simply being a person of either gender is unlikely to require you to need a gun to defend yourself, and even if you find yourself in such a situation the gun is unlikely to matter.

Cops, bodyguards, celebrities, and people with known stalkers or enemies, on the other hand, might find them more helpful.

TurtleDude said:
I hate to say this but maybe if you were attacked, you'd get some wisdom.
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Cowardice and paranoia are not signs of wisdom.

It's true that I, just like about 99% of the population of the United States of America have never once found myself in a situation where having a loaded gun on or around my person would have ever improved my personal safety. In fact it's astronomically unlikely that the annoyance and risk of having a loaded gun in a place where I can get to at all times would ever be more beneficial than burdensome.

TurtleDude said:
I never expected to get attacked years ago in a fairly safe college area but I did and I shot one of the two attackers
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I see, and why exactly do you think they wanted to beat you up?
 
MrWonka said:
The vast majority of women who are beaten and raped have it done to them in such a way or in such a place or by such a person that having a gun handy would be unlikely to make any difference. This is the reality of almost all crime that people think their gun will save them from.
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what evidence is that claim based upon.
 
americanwoman said:
It's just like a bunch of men to be discussing what women do and don't want and getting it all completely wrong.

:mrgreen:
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there is no denying that women are far more likely to support anti gun politicians than men are. WHY they do has many answers-favoring gun control is just one of many
 
MrWonka said:
That's correct. People, in general, do not. Simply being a person of either gender is unlikely to require you to need a gun to defend yourself, and even if you find yourself in such a situation the gun is unlikely to matter.

Cops, bodyguards, celebrities, and people with known stalkers or enemies, on the other hand, might find them more helpful.


Cowardice and paranoia are not signs of wisdom.

It's true that I, just like about 99% of the population of the United States of America have never once found myself in a situation where having a loaded gun on or around my person would have ever improved my personal safety. In fact it's astronomically unlikely that the annoyance and risk of having a loaded gun in a place where I can get to at all times would ever be more beneficial than burdensome.



I see, and why exactly do you think they wanted to beat you up?
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One was a violent scumbag who was already out on probation for having assaulted a guard in a factory the mope had broken into. According to a jailhouse conversation the other mope didn't know was being recorded, they had ordered a pizza and they planned on stealing the pizza and whatever money the delivery man had. I was carrying a bag of groceries wearing my college varsity warmup top that was essentially the same color as the pizza company's uniform. I arrived at the area where the two mopes were hiding and they jumped down from an elevated porch thinking I was the pizza man. 9MM Silvertip was not the item one was expecting to have go through his stomach and intestines.
 
TurtleDude said:
Its truthful. why do you think there is the well publicized GENDER GAP in voting. I didn't check 2016, but I recall evidence that since 1920, the GOP won the male vote in every presidential election save LBJ.
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Now see why couldn't you have said it this way the first time?
 
Phys251 said:
Nice regard for women you have there, Turtle. :roll:
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I'll take it one step further for you.

Generally speaking, women are less likely to be raised with the same sense of independence that men are. That's a nearly universal factor found in cultures across the globe. There is even a biological preference for protecting women in that protecting women promotes the likelihood of successful procreation. If a man is lost to, for example, a hunting accident then another man can procreate with his associated mate. The loss of a woman, however, means that the clan has one less opportunity to procreate. This creates a societal effect where women tend to seek protection in the form of less risky behaviors and less risky choices. The choice to seek third party protection rather than first hand protection is, essentially, "baked in" to the female mindset.
 
MrWonka said:
The vast majority of women who are beaten and raped have it done to them in such a way or in such a place or by such a person that having a gun handy would be unlikely to make any difference. This is the reality of almost all crime that people think their gun will save them from.
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Prove "vast majority" and explain why even the minority of cases where a woman could have saved herself with a gun aren't sufficient reason for a woman to carry a gun.
 
TurtleDude said:
what evidence is that claim based upon.
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These are just obvious realities. The vast majority of rapes are perpetrated by someone the victim knows. Usually, it's a form of date rape where the woman is already in a position such that having a gun would be pointless. She's intoxicated or drugged, she's wearing clothing that would make concealing a gun impossible, she's with someone she thought she could trust. In close proximity like that, a bigger stronger man is just as likely to see her going for a gun and take it from her before she can even use it. A can of mace or pepper spray, on the other hand, doesn't really need to have a safety on, and it's generally more easy to conceal.

Here's a guide put forward by Charlotte Police...

https://police.uncc.edu/crime-preve...t-prevention/reduce-risk-becoming-rape-victim

You notice the section where it says carry a gun so you can pull it out and shoot your attacker? Nope, cause it's not there. Police know that the typical person carrying a loaded gun around on their person at all times is more likely to inadvertently shoot themselves or use it to escalate the situation than they are to defuse it.

Approximately 1/3rd of all women will experience some type of sexual assault in their lifetime, but a tiny fraction of that is a situation where a stranger chases her down in public or tries to throw her in a van, and beats the **** out of her while he's doing it. If every woman in the world carried a loaded gun at all times to protect herself from this incredibly unlikely scenario it would certainly cause more problems than it would prevent.
 
MrWonka said:
These are just obvious realities. The vast majority of rapes are perpetrated by someone the victim knows. Usually, it's a form of date rape where the woman is already in a position such that having a gun would be pointless. She's intoxicated or drugged, she's wearing clothing that would make concealing a gun impossible, she's with someone she thought she could trust. In close proximity like that, a bigger stronger man is just as likely to see her going for a gun and take it from her before she can even use it. A can of mace or pepper spray, on the other hand, doesn't really need to have a safety on, and it's generally more easy to conceal.

Here's a guide put forward by Charlotte Police...

https://police.uncc.edu/crime-preve...t-prevention/reduce-risk-becoming-rape-victim

You notice the section where it says carry a gun so you can pull it out and shoot your attacker? Nope, cause it's not there. Police know that the typical person carrying a loaded gun around on their person at all times is more likely to inadvertently shoot themselves or use it to escalate the situation than they are to defuse it.

Approximately 1/3rd of all women will experience some type of sexual assault in their lifetime, but a tiny fraction of that is a situation where a stranger chases her down in public or tries to throw her in a van, and beats the **** out of her while he's doing it. If every woman in the world carried a loaded gun at all times to protect herself from this incredibly unlikely scenario it would certainly cause more problems than it would prevent.
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"If every woman in the world carried a loaded gun at all times to protect herself from this incredibly unlikely scenario it would certainly cause more problems than it would prevent."

No one is suggesting this.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Its a pity I have to spell this out but "gun rights" means the rights of people to own, carry, and use guns.

Now that we got that out of the way perhaps you can stay on the subject of this thread and not miss the point.
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That is not news. What I am asking is why GUNS get this special treatment to elevate them in the same phrase as the term RIGHTS? We don't talk about book rights..... or newspaper rights ..... or radio rights .... or movie rights ...and all those are things/nouns. We do talk about voting rights - but that is a human action... a verb. We do talk about the rights you have accused of a crime - but that is a status situation and those are not attached to a noun as gun rights are.

You see my friend, I do not think this is unintentional or coincidental. I would suggest it is very very deliberate to attempt to elevate the status of guns as having rights. Now I am not saying that any person does not know the difference between gun owners who have the right and the gun itself. That goes without saying. But the use of the term GUN RIGHTS gives guns a special cache... a unique quality ..... a value as it were that we do not give to other things. The only thing that comes close is the phrase PROPERTY RIGHTS and I would suggest that is also used for the same reason... to elevate that right as something more than just another legal right a person has.

And understanding that is very much part of the divide on firearms.
 
Rucker61 said:
explain why even the minority of cases
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You guys seem to like to ignore the reality that guns are dangerous, and can be easily mishandled and have accidents happen.

Take for example the really smart gun rights lady who kept a loaded gun under her car seat only to have it slide into the backseat where her child picked it up and shot her through the seat while she was driving.

Take the almost weekly occurrence where some overzealous father accidentally shoots his son, daughter, or wife sneaking in the back door after curfew.

At least half of all sexual assaults happen to women who have been drinking. Your plan is to have the same drunk girls who crack an average of 1 cell phone screen every 6 months bring loaded guns to the club with them?

Furthermore, have you guys considered that the main reason most rapists don't carry a gun themselves is that they assume their victims won't have one either. If every woman in the country started carrying it would just send a message to rapists that they better have one drawn before they approach a woman in the first place.
 
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