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Backfire: NRA shatters fundraising records during intense media/political attacks

Harshaw said:
Not secrecy. Privacy. What business is it of yours?
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They lobby congress and affect gun laws that impact me. Boy if Planned Parenthood tried to hide a dollar they would launch a federal investigation
 
vegas giants said:
They lobby congress and affect gun laws that impact me. Boy if Planned Parenthood tried to hide a dollar they would launch a federal investigation
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Planned Parenthood has its own 501(c)(4) "dark money" PAC, and it, too, spends millions on elections and lobbying. Yet, you weren't concerned enough about that to even have known about it.
 
Harshaw said:
Planned Parenthood has its own 501(c)(4) "dark money" PAC, and it, too, spends millions on elections and lobbying. Yet, you weren't concerned enough about that to even have known about it.
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I know more about it than you. PP PAC is not PP
 
vegas giants said:
I know more about it than you. PP PAC is not PP
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Aside from the stupidity of that (which would be the same as saying that the NRA-ILA "is not the NRA"), the 501(c)(4) organization is Planned Parenthood Action Fund, which operates the same as the NRA-ILA.

So no, you don't know more about it than I do.
 
Harshaw said:
Aside from the stupidity of that (which would be the same as saying that the NRA-ILA "is not the NRA"), the 501(c)(4) organization is Planned Parenthood Action Fund, which operates the same as the NRA-ILA.

So no, you don't know more about it than I do.
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We are talking about the NRA
 
vegas giants said:
We are talking about the NRA
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Nice, when faced with an agrument you can't refute, you conveniently tell us to get back on topic. You weren't concerned about the topic when you thought you had the upper hand in the side argument.
 
Harshaw said:
Going by what he said, I think that's what he's getting at, yes.

He wants to pin the election result, at least in part, on the NRA. And, he wants the NRA to have done their part with Russian money, the dirtier, the better. So, what he really wants is to show that the Russians got Trump elected.
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Yep, the Clinton fluffers cannot fathom that their Goddess managed to lose an election that had been rigged in her favor-rigged by the MSM, the Democrat party, and even some of the leaders of the GOP.
 
vegas giants said:
We are talking about the NRA
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YOU were the one who brought up Planned Parenthood, not I. Now that you've been smacked around with your own point, you want to go back to only the NRA.
 
Harshaw said:
YOU were the one who brought up Planned Parenthood, not I. Now that you've been smacked around with your own point, you want to go back to only the NRA.
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Do you have a point
 
notquiteright said:
Same as Rucker- open secrets....

Data on Campaign Finance, Super PACs, Industries, and Lobbying ? OpenSecrets news and analysis

it says an audit filed in North Carolina shows total expenditures rose to 419 million. (type in nra spent 100 million more in the search box)

That workie for you??? :peace
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I'd forgotten ya. Sorry.

But from the article that I'm assuming that you got your number from.

These spending totals include all of the NRA’s operations in 2016, from law enforcement programs and hunter services to education and training.
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Audit shows NRA spending surged $100 million amidst pro-Trump push in 2016

See, your number derives from total spending all across the board. Across all branches of the NRA. Where as the links that Rucker gave was about actual contributions to politicians. So while your number of 400 million was accurate, it was inaccurate because you attempted to tie it all into campaign contributions. Which even your article shows did not happen. In fact it shows that the NRA only spent about 30 million on a pro-Trump campaign.

But no politician benefited more from the NRA’s 2016 spending binge than President Donald Trump. The NRA spent over $30 million in support of Trump’s candidacy — or more than its combined spending in all races during the 2008 and 2012 presidential election cycles, which include 45 Senate and 145 House races.
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Kal'Stang said:
I'd forgotten ya. Sorry. But from the article that I'm assuming that you got your number from. Audit shows NRA spending surged $100 million amidst pro-Trump push in 2016. See, your number derives from total spending all across the board. Across all branches of the NRA. Where as the links that Rucker gave was about actual contributions to politicians. So while your number of 400 million was accurate, it was inaccurate because you attempted to tie it all into campaign contributions. Which even your article shows did not happen. In fact it shows that the NRA only spent about 30 million on a pro-Trump campaign.
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Point to where I said they spent 400 million on politicians... :roll:

What I said was the NRA spent 400 million in a year of which the membership contributions accounted for 5% of that money.

So where did the other 95% of the money they spent that year come from??? :confused:

FYI the money spent on lobbyists isn't part of a campaign contribution, but money that does influence politicians... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
Point to where I said they spent 400 million on politicians... :roll:

What I said was the NRA spent 400 million in a year of which the membership contributions accounted for 5% of that money.

So where did the other 95% of the money they spent that year come from??? :confused:

FYI the money spent on lobbyists isn't part of a campaign contribution, but money that does influence politicians... :peace
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You said here:

notquiteright said:
Ummm no. One month's worth of donations after a shrill call from the NRA management doesn't give a very good picture on total annual donations...

In 2016 the NRA spent approx. 400 million- just under 2 million a month during a record setting surge in small donations doesn't come close 400 million...

But the 'gun' rubbers are desperate to 'prove' the firearm lobby isn't the biggest contribution group... :peace
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Your implication here is that the firearm lobby paid for 95% of the NRA's spending that "does influence politicians". That 400 million went to "influence politicians". Now if you had meant something else then perhaps you should have just stuck to what is proven to have gone towards politics. Of which your own source estimates (though they have no direct proof and just says "but they likely include the NRA’s historic political spending in the 2016 elections") is around 75 million across the board, though that could be tied to advertisements that aren't necessarily considered "political" or advertisements that are political but are generated to speak to everyone and not just to politicians.
 
Kal'Stang said:
You said here: Your implication here is that the firearm lobby paid for 95% of the NRA's spending that "does influence politicians". That 400 million went to "influence politicians". Now if you had meant something else then perhaps you should have just stuck to what is proven to have gone towards politics. Of which your own source estimates (though they have no direct proof and just says "but they likely include the NRA’s historic political spending in the 2016 elections") is around 75 million across the board, though that could be tied to advertisements that aren't necessarily considered "political" or advertisements that are political but are generated to speak to everyone and not just to politicians.
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Now your just making stuff up... :roll:

My first two posts very distinctly said OPERATING BUDGET, not one word claiming it goes to politicians.

My third post, responding to Rucker says lobbyists, not direct contributions FROM the NRA to politicians

Post 49 provides the link to show where I got my facts from (same place Rucker did) again refers to OPERATING budget and not direct contributions TO politicians.

I can't help you and Rucker tried to twist my words, I can't help you don't see lobbyists as able to influence politicians.

But once again my point is it is doubtful the NRA gets 20million from the membership and that is a nit compared to the OVER 400 million the NRA spends each year.

WHERE DOES THE NRA GET ALL THAT MONEY???? :confused:

The NRA is a lobbyist and propaganda wing of the firearms industry.

Now before the ranters attack- I was an NRA member for years. I competed in NRA sanctioned matches for years. I appreciated the NRA supporting shooting sports and firearm education. I renewed my membership each year during my annual pilgrimage to Tulsa so I could attend the YUGE 'gun' show.

Now shrill attacks, and propaganda seems to trump any other activity. I am no longer an NRA member and that comes from a guy with a rather tall stack of membership renewal hats... :peace
 
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