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"Defend and protect" bluster is emptier than a winter rain barrel

Kal'Stang said:
CDC reported that there are 500,000 to 3 million gun defensive uses every year. Perhaps you're not looking in the right places or simply not looking at all?



CDC Study: Use of Firearms for Self-Defense is ‘Important Crime Deterrent’
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Is the CDC referring to individual gun owners? They must be talking about the state militia (National Guard) who used their weapons to defend all those people. That's what the liberals think the SA means. Funny, I haven't seen a National Guardsman on duty around here for a long time. Actually, never. I've haven't seen one around when I needed one, that's for sure.

And I have a question; if liberals are right and our personal defense is the responsibility of a well regulated state militia, where is my personal armed body guard? All those movie stars and politicians who speak out against the SA as an individual right have armed body guards. Where's mine?
 
Xelor said:
Seems to me gun rights advocates use their mouths to defend their guns and their access to guns far more than they use guns to defend human life.
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Just working from personal (anecdotal) information, I would have to agree. I talk to people just about every day about my firearms. In my 68 years on this earth, I can count on one hand the number of times I have been in a situation where I defended my life with a gun.

On a related matter, I keep a fully inflated spare tire in my trunk, which I typically check about 4 times a year. In my 50 years of driving a motor vehicle, I can count on one hand the number of times I have been in a situation where I needed to use a spare tire.

Despite the low frequency with which I have needed these aids, I will continue carrying, and I will continue to maintain my spare.

But that's just me.......
 
Waddy said:
Is the CDC referring to individual gun owners? They must be talking about the state militia (National Guard) who used their weapons to defend all those people. That's what the liberals think the SA means. Funny, I haven't seen a National Guardsman on duty around here for a long time. Actually, never. I've haven't seen one around when I needed one, that's for sure.

And I have a question; if liberals are right and our personal defense is the responsibility of a well regulated state militia, where is my personal armed body guard? All those movie stars and politicians who speak out against the SA as an individual right have armed body guards. Where's mine?
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You are the militia.....the point is you are not well regulated
 
Xelor said:
Courage, not Cowardice. Balls, not Bluster.


Tennessee has one of the highest gun ownership rates among the 50 states, and one doesn't need a permit to buy one in TN. So my rhetorical questions are these:

  • Where were all the gun-toters in TN?
    Apparently not one of them was in the vicinity of the Waffle House in Antioch, TN and willing to use his/her firearm when Reinking got to shooting, hugh?
    • Why was nary a one of them around and willing to use it to stop Reinking?
  • Why did no "packing" guy rush the gunman and shoot him?
Gun rights folks claim civilians need guns for defensive purposes, but not not one gun carrying person pulls their gun and uses it to impede/stop a shooter....not to shoot a gunman, not to give covering fire. Brave talk about how one intends to use their guns is no proxy for actually defending someone.

  • FL
    • Orlando, FL
    • Parkland, FL high school
    • Ocala, FL
  • Las Vegas, NV -- 50+ dead and 500+ injured
  • Tennessee Waffle House
  • 2018 School shootings
  • Mass Shootings -- Jan. 2014 to Mark 2017 -- Includes deaths and injuries

All those recent shootings happened in "gun rights/ownership friendly" states, and where was one civilian gun owner who returned a shooter's fire?

Pick a shooting incident... I don't recall but one, I think, in which anyone (any potential victim or actual observer) with a gun used it to deter/defeat an active shooter.

It'd be different if it were so that consistently frequently, even just "pretty often," gun carrying civilians thwart or interdict shooters, but while one or two here and there may do, with some 300M+ guns in the U.S. one'd think that it'd happen far more often, at least 1/3rd as often as it is that folks get shot! None of the major networks (cable or OTA) report that being "a thing" gun owners do.

It'd be different if -- in the wake of all that bluster about needing guns, open carry, concealed carry, permitless carry, access to semi-automatic firearms, whatever, because it deters violence and facilitates defense, interdiction, and/or protection -- some of those gun-toters, particularly in "red" states, actually used their firearms to that end when a "bad guy with a gun" is firing it at people.

  • I don't care what kind of "carry" laws there are.
    • There's no point at all to being able to "carry" in any way, shape or form if one's going to leave the gun at home. What the hell, perhaps one's child can get hold of it and shoot themselves or the babysitter.
    • There's no point at all to being able to "carry" in any way, shape or form if one's going to leave the gun in the car so someone break into the car, steal it, and shoot someone, maybe even the gun owner, with it.
I'm sorry, but at the end of the day, the "protect and defend" argument is emptier than a winter rain barrel!

Seems to me gun rights advocates use their mouths to defend their guns and their access to guns far more than they use guns to defend human life.
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When it comes to empty arguments you are the empty barrel.
 
Casper said:
When it comes to empty arguments you are the empty barrel.
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I'm flattered you felt obliged to pen a remark about me rather than topic of discussion, but I'm confident nobody is here to discuss me.
 
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