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Of all the gun deaths in the USA most of them are suicides. So if we were to totally eliminate suicide by gun we would more than cut the gun death rate in half. Does anybody have any ideas regarding this? It has been suggested to have waiting periods when you buy a gun. Anybody who thinks waiting periods are a good idea, how long a waiting period do you propose? Any other ideas? How about focusing not on guns but rather on suicide prevention which will not only reduce the amounts of suicides with guns but will reduce suicide in general.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Of all the gun deaths in the USA most of them are suicides. So if we were to totally eliminate suicide by gun we would more than cut the gun death rate in half. Does anybody have any ideas regarding this? It has been suggested to have waiting periods when you buy a gun. Anybody who thinks waiting periods are a good idea, how long a waiting period do you propose? Any other ideas? How about focusing not on guns but rather on suicide prevention which will not only reduce the amounts of suicides with guns but will reduce suicide in general.
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7 days is reasonable. Also have doctors report to the ncic system. And a license for ammo
 
DebateChallenge said:
Of all the gun deaths in the USA most of them are suicides. So if we were to totally eliminate suicide by gun we would more than cut the gun death rate in half. Does anybody have any ideas regarding this? It has been suggested to have waiting periods when you buy a gun. Anybody who thinks waiting periods are a good idea, how long a waiting period do you propose? Any other ideas? How about focusing not on guns but rather on suicide prevention which will not only reduce the amounts of suicides with guns but will reduce suicide in general.
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Guns are used because they are an easy and effective method that requires "pull trigger, go to hell" with little effort. Many other methods have chances of fail or require terror before death like falls from high places, you have 3-5 seconds of "oh ****" deterrence.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Of all the gun deaths in the USA most of them are suicides. So if we were to totally eliminate suicide by gun we would more than cut the gun death rate in half. Does anybody have any ideas regarding this? It has been suggested to have waiting periods when you buy a gun. Anybody who thinks waiting periods are a good idea, how long a waiting period do you propose? Any other ideas? How about focusing not on guns but rather on suicide prevention which will not only reduce the amounts of suicides with guns but will reduce suicide in general.
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I have no interest, providing guns for suicide is a public service. I want people to have what they want so long as they dont get in my way, if they want to off themselves then that is just FINE AND DANDY with me.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I have no interest, providing guns for suicide is a public service. I want people to have what they want so long as they dont get in my way, if they want to off themselves then that is just FINE AND DANDY with me.
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How compassionate
 
vegas giants said:
How compassionate
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Exactly, and if they will return the favor letting me live my life as they live theirs then we will be so far ahead of where we are today.

On this MARCH TO UTOPIA we are on.

AKA THE NEW DARK AGE
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Exactly, and if they will return the favor of letting me live my life as they live there then we will be so far ahead of where we are today.

On this MARCH TO UTOPIA.
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Thankfully almost no one agrees with you
 
vegas giants said:
Thankfully almost no one agrees with you
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Thankfully for at least a little while longer I am free to try to sell these ideas that I believe in.

BTW: BIG PAIN is coming.

I suggest you grab a bigger net.

CATCH MORE IDEAS
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Thankfully for at least a little while longer I am free to try to sell these ideas that I believe in.

BTW: BIG PAIN is coming.

I suggest you grab a bigger net.

CATCH MORE IDEAS
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You can promote any wacky idea you like. And we can laugh at it. Lol
 
if someone REALLY wants to commit suicide they will do so, no matter if they have access to a firearm, or not.
 
I think the waiting periods needs to reconcile the concern for those who may be buying a gun to commit suicide with concern for those purchasing a gun for protection.
 
vegas giants said:
7 days is reasonable. Also have doctors report to the ncic system. And a license for ammo
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How would a license for ammo reduce gun suicide? Having doctors report to the nics system could violate due process. As for a 7 day waiting period that is more than enough time for somebody who wants to commit suicide to find some other means of doing it.
 
Renae said:
Guns are used because they are an easy and effective method that requires "pull trigger, go to hell" with little effort. Many other methods have chances of fail or require terror before death like falls from high places, you have 3-5 seconds of "oh ****" deterrence.
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During those 3-5 seconds that you're falling, its too late to pull out. Being scared out of your wits while you're falling doesn't change that

And you haven't mentioned any ideas for reducing gun suicides.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I have no interest, providing guns for suicide is a public service. I want people to have what they want so long as they dont get in my way, if they want to off themselves then that is just FINE AND DANDY with me.
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That's one way of looking at it but many people would disagree with you, and I doubt you will get far fighting for gun rights with that approach.
 
DebateChallenge said:
How would a license for ammo reduce gun suicide? Having doctors report to the nics system could violate due process. As for a 7 day waiting period that is more than enough time for somebody who wants to commit suicide to find some other means of doing it.
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The license can be revoked based in a doctors report. Doctors already can lock people up just on their say.
 
vegas giants said:
The license can be revoked based in a doctors report. Doctors already can lock people up just on their say.
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That goes against due process. Only the courts could revoke such a license. For somebody to be declared legally insane and subject to involuntary confinement it has to be court ordered. Doctors would have to go through the courts to revoke licenses or lock people up, it would be a violation of due process otherwise.
 
DebateChallenge said:
That goes against due process. Only the courts could revoke such a license. For somebody to be declared legally insane and subject to involuntary confinement it has to be court ordered. Doctors would have to go through the courts to revoke licenses or lock people up, it would be a violation of due process otherwise.
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No it does not. Doctors revoke rights all the time. You may seek remedy in the courts and that fulfills due process
 
DebateChallenge said:
That's one way of looking at it but many people would disagree with you, and I doubt you will get far fighting for gun rights with that approach.
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Thanks for the advice but I have been reading people increasingly well my entire life and my read is that we are getting near peak crap, that we are just about ready to try to be decent and smart people again, and when we do we will need a WHOLE KIT AND CABOODLE of new ideas, because the old ideas are so very worn out.
 
Renae said:
Guns are used because they are an easy and effective method that requires "pull trigger, go to hell" with little effort. Many other methods have chances of fail or require terror before death like falls from high places, you have 3-5 seconds of "oh ****" deterrence.
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Your post reminds me of a story in the WAPO many years ago. The man and his family lived in Seaford, DE. He was despondent over something in his life, (I cannot remember what,) He decided to end his life and that of his wife and two children. He was successful in terminating their lives, but was only able to wound himself. I cannot imagine what his life must be/have been like.....
 
I support an adult’s right to take their own life.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I support an adult’s right to take their own life.
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I too support that. After they have been examined by two psychiatrists and filed a motion in court to end their life. What I do not support is impulsive suicide. And guns make that very easy to do. I don't support a permanent soultion to a temporary problem.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Of all the gun deaths in the USA most of them are suicides. So if we were to totally eliminate suicide by gun we would more than cut the gun death rate in half. Does anybody have any ideas regarding this? It has been suggested to have waiting periods when you buy a gun. Anybody who thinks waiting periods are a good idea, how long a waiting period do you propose? Any other ideas? How about focusing not on guns but rather on suicide prevention which will not only reduce the amounts of suicides with guns but will reduce suicide in general.
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Waiting periods are a waste. Very few people buy a firearm just to off themselves. Most firearm suicides are committed with currently owned firearms. Furthermore, most suicide attempts involve something other than a firearm. Drugs are, to the best of my knowledge, the most popular choice.

You are correct that addressing the mental issues behind suicide is the best method to reduce suicide by any means.
 
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