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Why Registration Is Bad

TurtleDude said:
more seething stupidity. Since most car injuries are caused unintentionally by licensed drivers, the insurance requirements make sense. Since most gunshot damages are either self inflicted or perpetrated by those who do not and cannot legally own a firearm at the time they harm others, the registration requirements would only TAX the people LEAST likely to cause harm while failing to impact the vast majority of those who cause harm.
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Good point.

Drivers have to be insured. Maybe gun owners should be insured as well, for the same reason. Lots of firearm injuries are caused unintentionally as well.
 
TurtleDude said:
I laugh constantly at how completely contrary to libertarian ideals his anti gun arguments are.
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Yes, I'm sure you think that. Actually, there is nothing in the libertarian philosophy that is contrary to holding people responsible for their actions, and nothing in my position on guns that would interfere with responsible people owning and using firearms.
 
VanceMack said:
Cars do not equal guns. The arguments arent equivalent in any way, shape or form. It was a stupid comment. You are embracing a stupid comment.
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Cars are legal for responsible people to own and operate.
Cars are dangerous in the wrong hands.
Operators of cars have to know how to safely operate those cars, or they can lose licence and their cars.
Cars are registered so, among other reasons, the owners can be identified.
Registering cars does not mean the government is going to come and take them away.

Now, which of those does not apply to guns?

Is saying that drivers should be licensed and competent and their cars registered mean that one is anti car?

Do we want just anyone to have a firearm and carry it anywhere they please? Say no, and then you must be a gun banner.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Cars are legal for responsible people to own and operate.
Cars are dangerous in the wrong hands.
Operators of cars have to know how to safely operate those cars, or they can lose licence and their cars.
Cars are registered so, among other reasons, the owners can be identified.
Registering cars does not mean the government is going to come and take them away.

Now, which of those does not apply to guns?

Is saying that drivers should be licensed and competent and their cars registered mean that one is anti car?

Do we want just anyone to have a firearm and carry it anywhere they please? Say no, and then you must be a gun banner.
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Guns and cars are not even in the same ballpark. That you would try to equate the two is stupid. That you cling to your stupid comment is stupid.

There is a trend...
 
Dittohead not! said:
Not as stupid as the meme that registration leads to confiscation.
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Except of course where registration has already led to confiscation.


See...thats why you look stupid clinging to your stupid comment and rhetoric.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Firearm registration could be used to raise revenue as well, maybe to pay reparations to families of people murdered by gun violence.
And a firearm that is never taken out of the house, like a car that is never taken out of the garage, would not have to be registered either. Who wold know?
Confiscation of firearms would be much more difficult than confiscation of anything else that is registered, as they are protected by the Second Amendment. Fears of the government coming to get our guns are overblown, and serve only to motivate people to stock up. Look at what happened to the arms market in the US when Obama was elected and his detractors were sure he was going to try to confiscate arms.
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We put a sin tax on many things which cause harm in our society. Perhaps a high tax on guns is needed to offset the immense damage caused to society.
 
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haymarket said:
Just so we can get a handle on this thing and have stats to go by - how often does "registration lead to confiscation" as you claim it does?
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It happened in the UK and in Australia.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Registration leads to confiscation, which is why the government is confiscating our cars.
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Cars don't have to be registered. Only if you drive them on public roads. How many times do I have to point this out? It just doesn't sink in.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
So the hell what. Government knows what car you have, what property you own, and probably knows a lot of other things.
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So, if the government already knows stuff about us, it is OK to allow them to know even MORE?

Man, you righties are so paranoid believing this stupid myth that the government gives a crap about you and how many guns you have.
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When you say things in this manner, it really sounds to me like you trivialize people's (in our case, gun-owners') concerns. How about you stop being so adversarial and dismissive for 20 minutes and actually talk to gun-owners about why they oppose certain stuff?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Firearm registration could be used to raise revenue as well, maybe to pay reparations to families of people murdered by gun violence.
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Its the criminals that murder such people who should pay reparations.

Dittohead not! said:
And a firearm that is never taken out of the house, like a car that is never taken out of the garage, would not have to be registered either. Who wold know?
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You do have a point there, it can be argued that guns that you carry have to be registered, you can own a gun and keep it in your house and not have to register it but if you carry it you have to register it. But then again, bearing arms is a right not a privilege, unlike driving on public roads which is a privilege as defined by law.

Dittohead not! said:
Confiscation of firearms would be much more difficult than confiscation of anything else that is registered, as they are protected by the Second Amendment. Fears of the government coming to get our guns are overblown, and serve only to motivate people to stock up. Look at what happened to the arms market in the US when Obama was elected and his detractors were sure he was going to try to confiscate arms.
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The arms market didn't explode during the Clinton administration like it did during the Obama administration and Clinton was worse. As for confiscation it was quite easy in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and as far as I know most or all of the guns seized then were not registered, imagine how much easier it would be if there was mandatory registration.
 
Rucker61 said:
Indeed, who would know, until that person took the gun out of the house and killed someone with it. It couldn't be traced back to them. That's the spoken purpose for registration - to help connect guns found at murder scenes to their owners, in the hopes of linking a perp to a crime.
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And most guns by far used in crime are obtained illegally. A criminal who obtains a gun illegally is obviously not going to have it registered when he uses it to commit a crime.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
Man, you righties are so paranoid believing this stupid myth that the government gives a crap about you and how many guns you have. Just keep eating the NRA propaganda. How do you people get through life being so terrified of boogeymen around every corner? No wonder why you need so many guns
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If you think the NRA is paranoid you should see the GOA, they make the NRA look like cream puffs, but they just don't have the membership levels and finances of the NRA to make as big an impact. But in some ways I like GOA better.

And hopefully the government will not give much of a crap about how many guns me or any of my gun owning buddies have but its always good to be prepared just in case.
 
DebateChallenge said:
This is why registration is bad. When you have to register the guns you own the government knows who has what and the government really has no business having that information. Registration leads to confiscation. Lets say they ban a certain type of gun, lets say they ban handguns, that way they will know whose got what handguns and they will be able to go around and confiscate them all. Lets say the ban all guns, same thing, they will know where to go and who to take the guns from, so that's why registration is bad.
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So in other words because you have a hypothetical fantasy about the government "taking your guns" you think registration is bad.
 
DebateChallenge said:
It happened in the UK and in Australia.
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Okay. So does that comprise 0.2% of all cases or 2.0% of all cases or 12.5% of all cases of 48.3% of all cases? In other words, okay- it happens , but is it happening evidence of a teeny tiny blip on the radar or does it represent a serious significant problem according to the statistics?
 
Tigerace117 said:
So in other words because you have a hypothetical fantasy about the government "taking your guns" you think registration is bad.
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Hopefully it will stay a fantasy and by not having mandatory registration for guns, that's how to keep it from becoming a reality.

And its not a fantasy in Deerfield IL.
 
Tigerace117 said:
So in other words because you have a hypothetical fantasy about the government "taking your guns" you think registration is bad.
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Does the UK and Australia have successful gun control?
 
Ok, let’s talk about registry because everyone who doesn’t have any common sense or want to be a big government where they could go after the wrong people who is a law-abiding citizen and have knowledge of their rights as the gun owner. Here’s a question that I am raising because why should we have a big government which I call it “Liberalism”. Let me ask this if gun owners have to register their firearms. Do you honestly believe that criminals and what not are going to follow? Honestly, think about it for a moment. I believe that there is a higher percentage of the people who misuse guns on people, commit crimes who will not register. I would understand the registry shows up under the record that would make it easier for the officer to do that traffic stop without any problems that we had seen before like in Minnesota. Where the girlfriend proclaimed that the boyfriend had a license to carry which the officer made a bad judgment call and, not correctly use the proper way to deal with that situation. I believe that this is not going to work because everyone is going to register their firearms and there will always going to be a person that will act out.
 
TheRepublican said:
Ok, let’s talk about registry because everyone who doesn’t have any common sense or want to be a big government where they could go after the wrong people who is a law-abiding citizen and have knowledge of their rights as the gun owner. Here’s a question that I am raising because why should we have a big government which I call it “Liberalism”. Let me ask this if gun owners have to register their firearms. Do you honestly believe that criminals and what not are going to follow? Honestly, think about it for a moment. I believe that there is a higher percentage of the people who misuse guns on people, commit crimes who will not register. I would understand the registry shows up under the record that would make it easier for the officer to do that traffic stop without any problems that we had seen before like in Minnesota. Where the girlfriend proclaimed that the boyfriend had a license to carry which the officer made a bad judgment call and, not correctly use the proper way to deal with that situation. I believe that this is not going to work because everyone is going to register their firearms and there will always going to be a person that will act out.
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Registration will save lives.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Hopefully it will stay a fantasy and by not having mandatory registration for guns, that's how to keep it from becoming a reality.

And its not a fantasy in Deerfield IL.
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I've been to Deerfield. Somehow, it hasn't suddenly become North Korea.
 
Rucker61 said:
In your opinion.
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Pretty clearly in real life too. You certainly have a different opinion on the issue than your average Australian as to whether the program was a success.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Pretty clearly in real life too. You certainly have a different opinion on the issue than your average Australian as to whether the program was a success.
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Sorry, bad wording. Please answer if, in your opinion, Australia and the UK have successful gun control?
 
Sampson Simpson said:
That deflection has absolutely nothing to do with what is being argued. Thanks to admitting to everybody that you have no argument. Why the hell do you people bother when you just make asses of yourselves posting dumb stuff?
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Its you who posts nonsense. People like you spew inane hatred at gun ownership and then complain that we are "paranoid" about gun banners.
 
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