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Gun Control Creates Victims

Tigerace117 said:
Gun obsessives argue that more guns= less ability by anyone to tyrannize the populace.

Somalia shows that to be a lie.
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comparing Somalia with the USA is moronic. but I will happily compare places like Russia and South Africa with the USA
 
DebateChallenge said:
And more than half of those are suicides and a certain portion of those are justifiable homicides.

As for the criminal homicides done with guns, you should know there is a world of difference between the criminal use of guns and the lawful use off guns by law abiding citizens.
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You keep whistling in the dark. Ten 9/11's every year, year on year.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Like in Somalia, where the older people were so safe.....not. The "mopes" got to run around with heavy machine guns and RPGs and whatever else they wanted, and nobody was safe from them, even though AK's were quite available on the ground, because the "mopes" badly outgunned everyone else.

On the other hand, if those "mopes" had been allowed to roll around with a DShK, they'd probably have figured "what the ****, we have a machine gun, what's he going to do?"
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what a stupid comparison. Somalia's rate of private gun ownership (legal and illegal) is 9.1/100

Guns in Somalia ? Firearms, gun law and gun control

its ranked 58th in the world on one site-64th on Wiki

USA is #1 and its 101/100

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

so your stupid argument is just that-stupid
 
TurtleDude said:
fascists and those who dream of being one want only the government and criminals to be armed
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I don't want criminals to be armed. Making guns illegal will reduce the number of criminals with guns. It will also help alter the US's attitude towards guns which will make them less desirable and glamorous.

If your argument was correct, then the percentage of criminals in the UK who had guns would be the same as the US. This is not the case.
 
Aristaeus said:
I don't want criminals to be armed. Making guns illegal will reduce the number of criminals with guns. It will also help alter the US's attitude towards guns which will make them less desirable and glamorous.

If your argument was correct, then the percentage of criminals in the UK who had guns would be the same as the US. This is not the case.
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you seem pretty happy to disarm honest people to get to disarmed criminals

and socialist/leftist gun schemes disarm 10,000 honest citizens for each criminal prevented from getting a gun
 
Aristaeus said:
I don't want criminals to be armed. Making guns illegal will reduce the number of criminals with guns. It will also help alter the US's attitude towards guns which will make them less desirable and glamorous.

If your argument was correct, then the percentage of criminals in the UK who had guns would be the same as the US. This is not the case.
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BTW making guns illegal will prevent millions of Americans from enjoying hunting, shooting sports and other lawful uses of firearms so leftwing activists can rejoice in harassing millions of us who don't buy into your leftwing swill. So many of us won't allow your schemes to take place
 
DebateChallenge said:
Than why do police carry guns?
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Gee bud, do the police roll up with thirty guns to a man? No? Gee, I wonder why.....maybe because to them, guns are a tool, not some fantasy status symbol or holy relic?

I'm mildly exaggerating, but the pack rat need of gun obsessives to accumulate weaponry is in no way, shape, or form comparable to law enforcement activity.
 
TurtleDude said:
comparing Somalia with the USA is moronic. but I will happily compare places like Russia and South Africa with the USA
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Of course you would be "happy to", because you are under the impression that Russian or South African policies support your case, while the example of Somalia rather badly hurts it. According to the rhetoric of so many on the right, Somalia in the 1990s should have been paradise on earth. No evil "government" to tell people what to do, any sort of firearm available if you had the cash to pay, and often even when you didn't given how readily available firearms were, no questions asked, nobody to stop you from running wild..... how'd that work out again?
 
TurtleDude said:
what a stupid comparison. Somalia's rate of private gun ownership (legal and illegal) is 9.1/100

Guns in Somalia ? Firearms, gun law and gun control

its ranked 58th in the world on one site-64th on Wiki

USA is #1 and its 101/100

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

so your stupid argument is just that-stupid
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What a joke. You do realize that there was nobody around capable of enforcing such a law.....right? So your argument isn't just a joke, it's downright moronic.

But hey, all those Rangers who got shot in Mogadishu must have been imagining the "mopes" blazing away at them....right? :roll:
 
Aristaeus said:
I don't want criminals to be armed. Making guns illegal will reduce the number of criminals with guns. It will also help alter the US's attitude towards guns which will make them less desirable and glamorous.
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Making guns illegal in the USA would be like trying to make Baseball or hamburgers illegal in the USA, not going to happen.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Of course you would be "happy to", because you are under the impression that Russian or South African policies support your case, while the example of Somalia rather badly hurts it. According to the rhetoric of so many on the right, Somalia in the 1990s should have been paradise on earth. No evil "government" to tell people what to do, any sort of firearm available if you had the cash to pay, and often even when you didn't given how readily available firearms were, no questions asked, nobody to stop you from running wild..... how'd that work out again?
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It was a libertarian paradise. Lol
 
Tigerace117 said:
If a criminal can beat over a hundred people to death with a hammer or his ****ing hands.......but they can't, so there's no point indulging in that fairy tale.
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They could still kill some. I was talking about killing in general, not mass killings(some of those weapons still apply)

Tigerace117 said:
Likewise, a firearm gives criminals or terrorists a versatility that one simply doesn't get from a car or truck, and despite the fantasies of some a firearm is far easier to utilize than a bomb.
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But it also gives law abiding citizens that same versatility for self defense. So they aren't forced to bring a knife to a gunfight if they want to stay within the law.
 
NoTreadingZone said:
They could still kill some. I was talking about killing in general, not mass killings(some of those weapons still apply)


But it also gives law abiding citizens that same versatility for self defense. So they aren't forced to bring a knife to a gunfight if they want to stay within the law.
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And yet, a criminal can kill far more with a firearm than with their bare hands, to the point where it is nonsensical to bother trying to compare the two.

Citizens aren't supposed to indulge in vigilantism in the first place; furthermore, no one is seriously advocating banning all firearms, but neither is the argument that arming more people is a "magic bullet" so to speak, in any way shape or form "correct"
 
DebateChallenge said:
Even so, as I said in my last post, more than half of those gun deaths are suicides and a certain portion of them are justifiable homicides.
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You are lying.


I challenge you to present verifiable numbers to back up that absurd suggestion.

Explain, legally what is a "justifiable homicide"? Please include all relevant court rulings since 1873.

Typical though, I guess being dishonest and making up bull**** is part of the American culture...or is it just the Trump idiots?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Gee bud, do the police roll up with thirty guns to a man? No? Gee, I wonder why.....maybe because to them, guns are a tool, not some fantasy status symbol or holy relic?
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How do you know that some people want guns because they are a fantasy symbol or a holy relic?

Tigerace117 said:
Citizens aren't supposed to indulge in vigilantism in the first place;
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Nobody is talking about taking matters into one's own hands. Some people want guns so they can in theory fend off federal agents. And with the US federal government getting more intrusive and tyrannical every year, I can understand why some'd want this. I am not necessarily condoning it; I am just saying I can somewhat sympathize.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Of course you would be "happy to", because you are under the impression that Russian or South African policies support your case, while the example of Somalia rather badly hurts it. According to the rhetoric of so many on the right, Somalia in the 1990s should have been paradise on earth. No evil "government" to tell people what to do, any sort of firearm available if you had the cash to pay, and often even when you didn't given how readily available firearms were, no questions asked, nobody to stop you from running wild..... how'd that work out again?
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your silly use of somalia has failed you.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Making guns illegal in the USA would be like trying to make Baseball or hamburgers illegal in the USA, not going to happen.
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he should try though. He could go house to house demanding people turn in their guns. we can read about the results in the newspaper
 
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