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A "Sensible" school security plan, regarding armed staff...

Critter7r said:
Wait, what?

There's all kinds of gun control that could have prevented the Florida shooting. If it had been enforced. If the people involved hadn't just been going thru the motions and assuming everything would work out fine like the other 23,876 times they had done what they did. Lax enforcement - again - is what gets us into trouble. Glossing over the details is what gets us into trouble.

That gun control doesn't work when it isn't enforced is not proof that gun control doesn't work. It's proof that gun control isn't enforced.
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so what would have stopped it if it had been enforced.
 
Goshin said:
People like to pretend it is rocket science. It isn't.

I've taken more-or-less untrained men and women, spent a day working with them, and at the end of the day they know the Four Rules of Safe Gunhandling, can shoot K-zone hits consistently at common defensive distances, and have learned at least the basic rudiments of legalities and defensive tactics.

At that point they have a significant advantage over the average thug.
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agreed
 
Lursa said:
I dont see the sense in spending money on things that dont work.

Cops are no guarantee, as has been proven.

As I and others have said, there's no reason a combination of security changes...almost all of which would cost money...are the best way to protect kids in schools.

And I'm sorry you are so lacking in mental development that you are unable to remember that I dont have kids and thus your silly appeal to emotion is useless and an obvious tactic to distract from your overall weak arguments.
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Insult! I win!!!!!! Thanks
 
TurtleDude said:
agreed
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Actually even moreso... give me someone willing, of average intelligence and coordination, who has a modicum of courage and self-discipline and the active-defender mindset, and in thirty minutes (of instruction) I can put a gun in their hand and raise their odds against an armed killer from 2% to 50%.


Hey, there's our term.... Active Defender. To stop an active shooter, you need Active Defenders!
 
Goshin said:
Actually even moreso... give me someone willing, of average intelligence and coordination, who has a modicum of courage and self-discipline and the active-defender mindset, and in thirty minutes (of instruction) I can put a gun in their hand and raise their odds against an armed killer from 2% to 50%.


Hey, there's our term.... Active Defender. To stop an active shooter, you need Active Defenders!
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I like that-I will have to pass that on to a couple guys who constantly deal with the press on behalf of both a training facility and the Buckeye Firearms Association (those two entities are training teachers for school districts that permit armed staff)
 
vegas giants said:
Insult! I win!!!!!! Thanks
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So still no more discussion? Just a pathetic claim you won on the Internet? (when clearly you havent.) I just got tired of reminding you all the time of your failure in using an appeal to emotion to distract from your inability to argue and refute my posts.

Are you able to do so? Please, I'd love to hear why you want to waste $ on a singular security solution for schools.

(Oh look! No appeal to emotion in my post! LOLOLOL)
 
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Goshin said:
Actually even moreso... give me someone willing, of average intelligence and coordination, who has a modicum of courage and self-discipline and the active-defender mindset, and in thirty minutes (of instruction) I can put a gun in their hand and raise their odds against an armed killer from 2% to 50%.


Hey, there's our term.... Active Defender. To stop an active shooter, you need Active Defenders!
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And I think that many teachers...alive and sacrificed...have proven they are committed to doing so.

Alot of teachers have been in the media saying they wouldnt want to be armed even if it was allowed...I would highly encourage them to talk to some teachers that have lived through this school scenario, hunkerered down helpless with their students...and see what they think then.
 
Lursa said:
So still no more discussion? Just a pathetic claiming you won on the Internet? (when clearly you havent.) I just got tired of reminding you all the time of your failure in using an appeal to emotion to distract from your inability to argue and refute my posts.

Are you able to do so? Please, I'd love to hear why you want to waste $ on a singular security solution for schools.

(Oh look! No appeal to emotion in my post! LOLOLOL)
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You want amateurs. I care about kids
 
vegas giants said:
But are not up to the task
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Prove it.

it's been explained by more than one poster here...that you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to training and I have clearly pointed out the teachers commitments to their students...with their very lives.

And the cops have proven the opposite.

(Note, I still manage to post without cheap, ineffective appeals to emotion :mrgreen:)
 
vegas giants said:
I want professionals. Careful you are crossing the line
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Teachers are paid professionals.

And your limited thinking shows you dont care about kids.
 
Lursa said:
Prove it.

it's been explained by more than one poster here...that you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to training and I have clearly pointed out the teachers commitments to their students...with their very lives.

And the cops have proven the opposite.

(Note, I still manage to post without cheap, ineffective appeals to emotion :mrgreen:)
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Wrong answer. Prove the lunch lady can’t teach algebra
 
vegas giants said:
Professional law enforcement
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Still pushing for the guys that stand outside listening to the shots eh?

And the ones that cant be in the classroom when the shooter comes to the door. :doh

Yeah...such limited thinking shows you dont care about those kids you keep using to try and make an emotional appeal.
 
vegas giants said:
I want professionals. Careful you are crossing the line
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Lursa said:
Still pushing for the guys that stand outside listening to the shots eh?

And the ones that cant be in the classroom when the shooter comes to the door. :doh

Yeah...such limited thinking shows you dont care about those kids you keep using to try and make an emotional appeal.
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Goshin said:
No doubt those who are just knee-jerk, reflexively anti-gun in all things will automatically hate the idea... but I think anyone genuinely concerned about the safety of students should at least give the idea fair consideration.
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I think it is an excellent step in the right direction. It's good to find a thread where the focus is on protecting the children.

Today the last of the surviving shooting victims at Parkland, Anthony Borges, was released from the hospital. He was shot 5 times. He has filed a notice to sue. He blames Sheriff Israel of Broward County and the Broward School district for failing to do their job in protecting the students from Cruz.



He criticized an agreement between the sheriff’s office and school district intended to prevent children from being arrested, which he said created a permissive atmosphere that allowed Cruz to remain free despite repeated incidents and warning signs.
Parkland shooting victim Anthony Borges criticizes Sheriff's Office and School District - Sun Sentinel
 
Lursa said:
I know! If the teachers around his kids are so cra-cra...what's to stop them bringing in guns and shooting them anyway?
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Well of course its those Gun free zone signs! Duh!..

not to mention that Vegas understands that a teacher willing to murder their students and face the consequences of first degree murder... would never contemplate breaking a law about guns in school... why the consequences would be to dire for that! :roll:
 
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