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"assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles [W:598]

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jonny5 said:
I dont want to ban assault weapons, but I think the main argument would be high capacity. As you point out, the democrat bill is stupid. Attachments dont make the gun more deadly.

But, the real proof this is all for appearances is the fact that 20x more homicides are caused with handguns than rifles. Even knives are 5x more often used to commit murder. Furthermore, murders with rilfes are down 30% in the last decade as is all firearm murder.
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If the ‘main argument’ is high capacity magazines, the Parkland shooter would seem to destroy that. He used 10 round mags, reloading numerous times. The main problem is with society that is taught to roll over and die for mass shooters.


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vegas giants said:
My god Canada, Europe, Australia, Japan ....etc do not have these levels of mass shootings. They figured this out. It's not rocket science
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Are you willing to change the culture and nature of American society because that's what's gonna be needed to lower the levels of mass shootings (dangerous violence) at schools?

While the atmosphere at schools are highly charged and political, dissenting students don't have a way to vent and American society doesn't allow or expect the government to micromanage their lives, there will be dangerous tensions at schools.
One can either accept the dangerous tensions at schools and accept the subsequent violence or have the school attempt to dampen the dangerous tensions by changing some of their policies.

That is not rocket science.
 
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cabse5 said:
Are you willing to change the culture and nature of American society because that's what's gonna be needed to lower the levels of mass shootings (dangerous violence) at schools?

While the atmosphere at schools are highly charged and political, dissenting students don't have a way to vent and the society doesn't allow or expect the government to micromanage their lives, there will be dangerous tensions at schools.
One can either accept the dangerous tensions at schools and accept the subsequent violence or have the school attempt to dampen the dangerous tensions by changing some of their policies.
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Why don't we try what they tried first.
 
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vegas giants said:
Thank you for your opinion
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Here's a novel idea.....why don't we actually prosecute and hammer firearms offenders in the courts using laws we already have rather than playing catch and release with repeat offenders?

No parole, no pardons, no probation.....you know, actual punishment.
 
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Polar Bum said:
Here's a novel idea.....why don't we actually prosecute and hammer firearms offenders in the courts using laws we already have rather than playing catch and release with repeat offenders?

No parole, no pardons, no probation.....you know, actual punishment.
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Which state has done that and now has lax gun laws but low gun deaths?
 
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vegas giants said:
Why don't we try what they tried first.
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Because tensions and danger will always exist in schools. You eventually ban guns and next schools will experience bombs, etc. But, I guess, you'll want to eventually ban bombs, too.

By the time every single weapon has been banned in the US, America will have a culture similar to most other cultures in the EU, Japan, etc., countries you mentioned, previously.

Banning - adding more regulations doesn't work.
Culture change works. Having schools change some of their policies to alleviate some of the dangerous pressures in schools works.

I don't know why you want to take the unproven and, IMO, path to strife and lack of success with more regulations.
 
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cabse5 said:
Because tensions and danger will always exist in schools. You eventually ban guns and next schools will experience bombs, etc. But, I guess, you'll want to eventually ban bombs, too.
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Yet the rest of the developed world does not have this level of problems.
 
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vegas giants said:
Which state has done that and now has lax gun laws but low gun deaths?
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More to the point...which states/cities have stringent gun laws, yet does not prosecute to the fullest?

Hint, it rhymes with "Chicago".....among others.

https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/w...new-york-prosecuted-fewest-federal-gun-crimes

Chicago: Heavy on Gun Control, Light on Prosecution of Gun Crimes | Breitbart

Thousands of felony gun cases are being dismissed in Cook County criminal courts | Chicago Reporter

https://www.libertyheadlines.com/obama-bush-admins-failed-prosecute-felons-trying-buy-guns/

Does it make sense to make MORE laws when no one will enforce the existing laws?
 
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Polar Bum said:
More to the point...which states/cities have stringent gun laws, yet does not prosecute to the fullest?

Hint, it rhymes with "Chicago".....among others.

https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/w...new-york-prosecuted-fewest-federal-gun-crimes

Chicago: Heavy on Gun Control, Light on Prosecution of Gun Crimes | Breitbart

Thousands of felony gun cases are being dismissed in Cook County criminal courts | Chicago Reporter

https://www.libertyheadlines.com/obama-bush-admins-failed-prosecute-felons-trying-buy-guns/

Does it make sense to make MORE laws when no one will enforce the existing laws?
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Chicago is ranked 18th in per capita gun deaths
 
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Polar Bum said:
More to the point...which states/cities have stringent gun laws, yet does not prosecute to the fullest?

Hint, it rhymes with "Chicago".....among others.

https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/w...new-york-prosecuted-fewest-federal-gun-crimes

Chicago: Heavy on Gun Control, Light on Prosecution of Gun Crimes | Breitbart

Thousands of felony gun cases are being dismissed in Cook County criminal courts | Chicago Reporter

https://www.libertyheadlines.com/obama-bush-admins-failed-prosecute-felons-trying-buy-guns/

Does it make sense to make MORE laws when no one will enforce the existing laws?
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The top ten states with the least gun deaths all have strict gun laws. Coincidence?
 
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vegas giants said:
Chicago is ranked 18th in per capita gun deaths
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And?

The point being made is if you will not enforce the laws on the books, don't come back asking for more.
 
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Polar Bum said:
And?

The point being made is if you will not enforce the laws on the books, don't come back asking for more.
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Where is your plan of enforcement working?
 
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They likely are pushing for similar language to the previous AR ban in an attempt to make it easier to pass. If they make it more strict, it will reduce the odds.
Reducing guns back to a level that allows for hunting and sporting and basic self defense, I would assume is the goal, but it cannot be reached immediately due to opposition. So you are basically complaining that they don't push for the ultimate bans they want and instead push for little bits here and there...when it's your (collective) opposition that necessitates that tactic in the first place.
 
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vegas giants said:
Where is your plan of enforcement working?
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Again, the plan of enforcement is not working if you fail to implement it.
 
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vegas giants said:
Yet the rest of the developed world does not have this level of problems.
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CULTURE DIFFERENCE. For example, the people of the EU expect the state to micromanage most if not all their lives. You need a culture change in the US. I'm saying that's not necessary. Have the schools change some of their policies. Not rocket science.
 
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ecofarm said:
And why do we blame objects (the Bible, the Quran, guns, books, music, video games, movies, ideologies of every sort...)? Because it's simple and easy. No need for detailed understanding of a sociological issue, stats, analysis accounting for variables, multi and inter disciplinary conclusions. Blaming an object is the easy way out. It's what the monsters and terrorists themselves do.
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Why does a manufacturing facility doing root cause analysis of workplace deaths, remove or modify dangerous equipment that makes it easier to get injured killed on the job? Because they aren't idiots.

Where is your nonsensical argument of "why do we blame objects!?!!?" in every other rational example of how we do in fact limit "objects" to improve safety in every, single, aspects of our entire lives, from medicine to transportation to food safety, etc. Where is your objection to this in terms of limiting dangerous chemicals to the general public, or military weapons, or explosives, etc.? They are all limited and controlled for good reason. The *only* outlier, is guns, because of gun culture/NRA, 2nd amendment broad interpretation.

Seeing you so brainwashed makes eagel's cry.
 
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Polar Bum said:
Again, the plan of enforcement is not working if you fail to implement it.
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If it can not be implemented anywhere.....maybe we need new laws that can be
 
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cabse5 said:
CULTURE DIFFERENCE. For example, the people of the EU expect the state to micromanage most if not all their lives. You need a culture change in the US. I'm saying that's not necessary. Have the schools change some of their policies. Not rocket science.
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Sorry. There are a wide range of cultures that have effective gun control. We can too.
 
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vegas giants said:
If it can not be implemented anywhere.....maybe we need new laws that can be
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"Will not"

If I give you a 40 watt light bulb, but you remain in darkness because you will not turn on the light switch, don't come back and ask me for a 60 watt.
 
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vegas giants said:
My god I wish we had adequate regulations at parkland.
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They should regulate mass murder and make it illegal. There's the solution. Why didn't anyone ever think of that? Just pure genius.

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Polar Bum said:
"Will not"

If I give you a 40 watt light bulb, but you remain in darkness because you will not turn on the light switch, don't come back and ask me for a 60 watt.
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Ok....The GOP will not implement them. Either way they are not working
 
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vegas giants said:
Sorry. There are a wide range of cultures that have effective gun control. We can too.
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That's called obstinance on your part. Why don't you hold your breath until there's no more gun violence?
 
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Mach said:
They likely are pushing for similar language to the previous AR ban in an attempt to make it easier to pass. If they make it more strict, it will reduce the odds.
Reducing guns back to a level that allows for hunting and sporting and basic self defense, I would assume is the goal, but it cannot be reached immediately due to opposition. So you are basically complaining that they don't push for the ultimate bans they want and instead push for little bits here and there...when it's your (collective) opposition that necessitates that tactic in the first place.
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Your rhetoric is hilarious. Sick, but hilarious. It’s your fault. You didn’t accept getting forced to giving up your rights so we had to force you more.




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cabse5 said:
That's called obstinance on your part. Why don't you hold your breath until there's no more gun violence?
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That is your reply? That is freaking hilarious!
 
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VanceMack said:
Your rhetoric is hilarious. Sick, but hilarious. It’s your fault. You didn’t accept getting forced to giving up your rights so we had to force you more.
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I see nothing in your post that is constructive or can be responded to, other than to tell you just that.

He asked why the specific AR language. I'm saying, because language similar to that has already passed before, increasing it's odds to pass.
And you reply "grrrr, huff, puff".
 
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