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Gun Control Supporters. What is YOUR Wish List of Reasonable Gun Control?

ThoughtEx. said:
My problem has never been with people who intentionally shoot other people, its with the people who are terrible shots and miss.
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How big of a problem is this?
 
trixare4kids said:
I think those who want sensible gun control ought to learn about the laws already on the books ...
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OK, but what does your proposed list have to do with what I originally wrote?
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Everything? The laws on the books are not sufficient. They're nonexistent, been rolled back, or been prevented from becoming laws due to hysteria stoked by the gun industry.
 
Captain Adverse said:
8. Immunity for gun manufacturers from lawsuits rescinded.

NO. That is punishing the toolmaker for abuse by the took user.
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How is that fair to people like me? We had a piece of test equipment that started a fire and killed a person because it was improperly installed by the owner. Why were we held liable, but the gun industry is not?
 
brothern said:
7. Reinstatement of Federal Assault Weapons Ban legislation
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You do know that every existing "assault weapon" was grandfathered, and that brand new fully functioning "assault weapons" were legally available for sale throughout the entire decade of the "ban", right?

8. Immunity for gun manufacturers from lawsuits rescinded
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So if Smith and Wesson sells a California-legal handgun to a regional distributor and follows all the laws, and the distributor legally sells that firearm to a gun shop in Orange County, and the gun shop sells that gun to a non-prohibited California resident, and that gun is stolen from his house and used in a crime, you still want the manufacturer to be able to be sued?
 
Rucker61 said:
So if Smith and Wesson sells a California-legal handgun to a regional distributor and follows all the laws, and the distributor legally sells that firearm to a gun shop in Orange County, and the gun shop sells that gun to a non-prohibited California resident, and that gun is stolen from his house and used in a crime, you still want the manufacturer to be able to be sued?
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No. If our products are stolen from a customer, that does not make me or the manufacturer liable for any crimes committed by a piece of equipment. (You'd really have to stretch the limits of imagination for committing crimes with electronics and components though.) What I'm talking about is faulty manufacturing, improper or negligent safety features and design, and injuries sustained from this behavior. Though, noting that gun manufacturers may today still be held liable for defective product.
 
lots of them want to ban everything

 
brothern said:
1. State-issued permit w/ firearm training required to own, buy and sell firearms.
2. Minimum age required to own, buy and sell is 21.
3. Universal background check required on sale of all firearms by all dealers.
4. 48 hour waiting period required (ex., prevention of suicide), and sales record mandated to be kept.
5. Felons, those with domestic violence charges / active restraining orders, and those with debilitating mental illnesses prevented from owning firearms
6. Mandatory sentencing laws for possession of firearms by an individual who cannot legal own a firearm

7. Reinstatement of Federal Assault Weapons Ban legislation
8. Immunity for gun manufacturers from lawsuits rescinded
9. Penalties imposed for possession of firearms in schools, government buildings, public transit, and other buildings/properties accessible to the public where the property owner posts clearly visible signage barring firearms (concert venues, bars, theme parks, etc.)
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interesting, half of those are already law

would you support waiting periods and health background checks before you can engage in unprotected gay sex since that activity causes so many STDs?
 
ThoughtEx. said:
I would remove the restrictions on CDC funding to research the problem. This would give us alot more info to work on.

The CDC should be banned from advocating gun control. It also doesn't have any special expertise in criminology

I would also create a new mental health training program for gun vendors, focusing on identifying warning signs and erratic behavior.

Who is going to pay for this? since criminals don't buy from dealers, its a waste of resources

I would add a title to every fire arm sold in the US, like a car title, this one is to combat people buying guns legally and selling them to criminals like the cartels and and gangs.

that's really inane and won't do a thing about criminals -its nothing more than the gun banners' wet dream-universal registration


I would create a gun safety course and offer it as an elective in every highschool.

I would put a mental health specialist in every school to offer counseling and spot unstable kids.

I would end the war on drugs that is the underlying root cause for many communities history of violence.

I favor most of those last three suggestions. especially the gun safety course and ending the war on drugs

I would lift the restrictions on felons not being able to own a gun legally, this makes them seek out black market weapons we cant easily tie to them should they use it.

If they are non-violet felons

I would require non lethal ammunition to be used within city limits for personal protection.

Stupid given fighting lethal attacks with non-lethal weapons handicaps honest citizens

And I would make it to where if a child gains access to your weapon and either uses it accidentally or with purpose, you would be charged with the crime the child would be if they were an adult. Ie manslaughter, murder, assault witha deadly weapon and so forth.

Depends on the facts and intent. do you want to do the same thing with cars and prescription drugs?

I actually think gun bans, or banning anything is counter productive and just creates a black market adding to our problems. And if background checks did anything to help we would have seen results by now.
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Last comment is correct
 
brothern said:
How is that fair to people like me? We had a piece of test equipment that started a fire and killed a person because it was improperly installed by the owner. Why were we held liable, but the gun industry is not?
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Guns are known to be dangerous. If the gun industry could be sued every time that a criminal use one, there would be no gun industry. Which is the goal, of course.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Every time there is a "Mass Shooting" there is an outcry for government to "do something" to save lives.

When asked what, exactly, the government is supposed to do; the answer is almost always "reasonable gun control." (Almost, because some prefer that no one but police and government forces possess guns.)

The problem with the cry for "reasonable gun control" is that there are all sorts of responses, and all sorts of argument for why each view is "reasonable."

Some examples include: universal registration, stricter/more comprehensive background checks, licensing to own as well as to carry, age restrictions, prohibitions of "certain types" of guns, required training certification, etc. etc.

I chose NOT to list a Poll, because I want to see what each Forum member would like to see, and exactly how they think their list will prevent, much less eliminate gun violence.

It would help if you also provide an explanation of how your list would NOT violate the Second Amendment's prohibition on infringement of the individual's right to keep and bear arms.

I and others who disagree with some or all of the suggestions may challenge/question your suggestions, but I would prefer rational responses without rancor from all parties.

Let's see how this goes.

So here are the three questions for gun control advocates:

1. What is your wish-list of reasonable gun control measures?

2. How would each of your suggestions reduce and/or prevent future mass shootings, and other gun-related violence?

3. How would you specifically enforce each of these regulations or laws?

Gun rights supporters...

Address your responses specifically to the answers to these questions provided by gun control advocates; i.e. what suggestions are acceptable or unacceptable and why.

ALL members please try to refrain from hyperbole, ad hominin, or any other deflections from the issue.

Maybe, just maybe those of us on both sides might actually reach some consensus on what constitutes reasonable gun regulation.

Thank you.
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while I commend you for the effort, its hard to get a reasonable common ground because most of those who push for gun control on boards like this do so out of political reasons-ie to attack or harass those they disagree with over political issues. and even those who do not-they advocate steps towards bans that anyone who opposes bans cannot agree to

I believe there are a few people who actually believe registration will keep guns away from 18 USC 922 prohibited persons and these same people do not support confiscation. But almost everyone who wants confiscation wants registration
 
brothern said:
No. If our products are stolen from a customer, that does not make me or the manufacturer liable for any crimes committed by a piece of equipment. (You'd really have to stretch the limits of imagination for committing crimes with electronics and components though.) What I'm talking about is faulty manufacturing, improper or negligent safety features and design, and injuries sustained from this behavior. Though, noting that gun manufacturers may today still be held liable for defective product.
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From the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act

(1) To prohibit causes of action against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, and importers of firearms or ammunition products, and their trade associations, for the harm solely caused by the criminal or unlawful misuse of firearm products or ammunition products by others when the product functioned as designed and intended.

The gun industry is still liable for faulty manufacturing, improper or negligent safety features and design, and injuries sustained from this behavior, and negligent business practices.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
1) I would like a mandatory minimum prison sentence of 20 years for the possession of a gun by a prohibited person...
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trixare4kids said:
I think those who want sensible gun control ought to learn about the laws already on the books and stop scapegoating responsible law abiding gun owners and/or the "evil" NRA for these mass killings.
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brothern said:
I do not proscribe to the reading of the Second Amendment in Heller. There is no "untouchable" right to possess firearms (or explosives, blades, etc.) granted by the Constitution without consideration of public safety.
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vegas giants said:
I like most of this. I would add mandatory training, gun locks and license is required to buy ammo. Separate license for each gun type
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ThoughtEx. said:
I actually think gun bans, or banning anything is counter productive and just creates a black market adding to our problems. And if background checks did anything to help we would have seen results by now.
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Lutherf said:
Disarm the police. Disarm the military. Disarm all government agencies. Disarm all civilians. Issue "Hug" certificates to all citizens, illegal aliens and everyone else living in this country. When a violent person shows up citizens would be able to present that person with a personalized hug certificate thus bringing peace, joy and happiness to not only that person but to the world at large.
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ObamacareFail said:
I have just three suggestions...
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MrShangles said:
Kinda with you on most ideas except #9 you are creating gun free zones, that’s we’re the majority of these shootings happen, you gotta admit that!
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TurtleDude said:
while I commend you for the effort, its hard to get a reasonable common ground because most of those who push for gun control on boards like this do so out of political reasons-ie to attack or harass those they disagree with over political issues. and even those who do not-they advocate steps towards bans that anyone who opposes bans cannot agree to
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I appreciate all your thoughtful responses...but...

Where the devil are all the proponents of "reasonable gun control?"

Is it perhaps that while many argue for it, few have any idea what would actually constitute it?

How are we to try to reach some consensus when one side must say no because the other side is hazy on just what they really, REALLY ultimately want in this regard?





Or maybe this is just a result of the standard problem with such Forums; i.e. that people who "spam" post five or six back-to-back partisan hack threads every time they come online end up pushing everyone else's out of view making "reasonable" debate options more difficult.

I wonder how the system can be set up to ameliorate that kind of post history. :unsure13:
 
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