I Owe My Life to Legal Gun Ownership

In light of protests and emotional stories I figured I would share mine. When I was 18 I was with a group of friends in July at a Sonic drive in one evening. We were peacefully enjoying ice cream when 2 teens with bandanas covering their mouths walked up and indiscriminately started shooting at people and objects. Our first instinct was to hid as running makes you a target. I remember me and my friends looked to take cover as quickly as possible when they weren't looking at us or in our general direction. I hid behind a Toyota, my brother in some bushes, and the 2 other girls we were with each hid behind different cars. We sat their motionless and in silence trying to phone 911 with our flip phones. The shooters entered the central area where the workers were also trying to hide/escape and they began shooting at them. The manager, thankfully, was a lawfully adult who was carrying a concealed handgun. He shot one of the teens in the torso and they both ran out behind the drive in to later be apprehended by police.

As a victim and witness of gun violence my life was saved by a lawful gun owner who used his firearm to attack 2 evil people out for innocent blood. Had he not had a gun I would have hated to see what would have happened in between the time of free fire and police being able to get to the scene. I could very well had been murdered by the 2 teenagers evading gun control illegally possessing and discharging firearms.

I was so inspired by the speeches and protesters today that I joined the NRA :lol:

I'm all for common sense gun control laws that with evidence would reduce the amount of firearms in the hands of those who would use them for evil. But I also strongly support our 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights and very well may owe my life to that right that many want to violate and/or take away.

I can't imagine how frightening that must have been. Thanks for sharing.

Such an incident wouldn’t likely go without any reporting so do you have a link detailing the incident?

Just curious to see what happened to the guys...

digsbe said:

In light of protests and emotional stories I figured I would share mine. When I was 18 I was with a group of friends in July at a Sonic drive in one evening. We were peacefully enjoying ice cream when 2 teens with bandanas covering their mouths walked up and indiscriminately started shooting at people and objects. Our first instinct was to hid as running makes you a target. I remember me and my friends looked to take cover as quickly as possible when they weren't looking at us or in our general direction. I hid behind a Toyota, my brother in some bushes, and the 2 other girls we were with each hid behind different cars. We sat their motionless and in silence trying to phone 911 with our flip phones. The shooters entered the central area where the workers were also trying to hide/escape and they began shooting at them. The manager, thankfully, was a lawfully adult who was carrying a concealed handgun. He shot one of the teens in the torso and they both ran out behind the drive in to later be apprehended by police.

As a victim and witness of gun violence my life was saved by a lawful gun owner who used his firearm to attack 2 evil people out for innocent blood. Had he not had a gun I would have hated to see what would have happened in between the time of free fire and police being able to get to the scene. I could very well had been murdered by the 2 teenagers evading gun control illegally possessing and discharging firearms.

I was so inspired by the speeches and protesters today that I joined the NRA :lol:

I'm all for common sense gun control laws that with evidence would reduce the amount of firearms in the hands of those who would use them for evil. But I also strongly support our 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights and very well may owe my life to that right that many want to violate and/or take away.

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Tell me something, Digsbe: If someone were to **** all over your story, accuse you of lying/being a paid actor/worse, and clearly show no concern that you could have died that day, how would you feel?

digsbe said:

In light of protests and emotional stories I figured I would share mine. When I was 18 I was with a group of friends in July at a Sonic drive in one evening. We were peacefully enjoying ice cream when 2 teens with bandanas covering their mouths walked up and indiscriminately started shooting at people and objects. Our first instinct was to hid as running makes you a target. I remember me and my friends looked to take cover as quickly as possible when they weren't looking at us or in our general direction. I hid behind a Toyota, my brother in some bushes, and the 2 other girls we were with each hid behind different cars. We sat their motionless and in silence trying to phone 911 with our flip phones. The shooters entered the central area where the workers were also trying to hide/escape and they began shooting at them. The manager, thankfully, was a lawfully adult who was carrying a concealed handgun. He shot one of the teens in the torso and they both ran out behind the drive in to later be apprehended by police.

As a victim and witness of gun violence my life was saved by a lawful gun owner who used his firearm to attack 2 evil people out for innocent blood. Had he not had a gun I would have hated to see what would have happened in between the time of free fire and police being able to get to the scene. I could very well had been murdered by the 2 teenagers evading gun control illegally possessing and discharging firearms.

I was so inspired by the speeches and protesters today that I joined the NRA :lol:

I'm all for common sense gun control laws that with evidence would reduce the amount of firearms in the hands of those who would use them for evil. But I also strongly support our 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights and very well may owe my life to that right that many want to violate and/or take away.

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Yes, americans need easy access to firearms in order to protect themselves from the dangers caused by americans having easy access to firearms

digsbe said:

In light of protests and emotional stories I figured I would share mine. When I was 18 I was with a group of friends in July at a Sonic drive in one evening. We were peacefully enjoying ice cream when 2 teens with bandanas covering their mouths walked up and indiscriminately started shooting at people and objects. Our first instinct was to hid as running makes you a target. I remember me and my friends looked to take cover as quickly as possible when they weren't looking at us or in our general direction. I hid behind a Toyota, my brother in some bushes, and the 2 other girls we were with each hid behind different cars. We sat their motionless and in silence trying to phone 911 with our flip phones. The shooters entered the central area where the workers were also trying to hide/escape and they began shooting at them. The manager, thankfully, was a lawfully adult who was carrying a concealed handgun. He shot one of the teens in the torso and they both ran out behind the drive in to later be apprehended by police.

As a victim and witness of gun violence my life was saved by a lawful gun owner who used his firearm to attack 2 evil people out for innocent blood. Had he not had a gun I would have hated to see what would have happened in between the time of free fire and police being able to get to the scene. I could very well had been murdered by the 2 teenagers evading gun control illegally possessing and discharging firearms.

I was so inspired by the speeches and protesters today that I joined the NRA :lol:

I'm all for common sense gun control laws that with evidence would reduce the amount of firearms in the hands of those who would use them for evil. But I also strongly support our 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights and very well may owe my life to that right that many want to violate and/or take away.

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I will have to say I feel much safer in public places these days knowing that a number of people around me are probably licensed for CC and do.

Here is my story about my experience on the other end of a gun in the hand of a criminal.

In either 1970 or 71 I was working the early morning shift as a hotel desk clerk on a sleep Sunday morning. The owners son used to come in and bring a few dozen donuts for a continental breakfast we would set up in the lobby and count all the receipts from Saturday and then take the money with him. So around 8 AM I am in the back office with him and we are sitting across from each other at opposite desks when the bellboy walks in with his hands raised over his head. A guy right out of Hollywood casting is behind him with a hat, a trenchcoat, sun glasses and a gun. He sees the owners son counting stacks of money on his desk and puts a duffle bag on a stack of about four or five black cash drawers on the desk. He tells him to fill his bag. The other guy picks up the cash and places it in the bag which is still on top of those case drawers - containing several thousands dollars from night clubs and restaurants in the hotel.

The thief asks if there is more money and the owners son says NO. I want to kill him because if the guy just moves his bag the wrong way he can upset the cash drawers and see he has been lied to but we are luck and that does not happen. There is a safe there which is open and he goes to it and looks through it and finds no money.... since it is all in the cash drawers on the desk.

Now this whole time I half believe this is a joke since the guy looks amazingly like one of our nightclub managers so I keep sitting in the same place saying nothing. He then asks who has a car and the owners son says he drove with me - which is a lie because he drove a fancy sports car which is parked right outside. He tells us to empty our pockets and we do and he picks up my keys and says he is taking my car. He sees the other guys keys and tells him he lied to him but he says he drove with me. So he tells the owners son and the bellboy to lie on the ground at his feet and place their hands into the back of their belts... which they do.

Now - a bit of a flash back here..... a few weeks before there was a robbery in Arizona where a robber did exactly this and then went down the line and methodically shot each victim in the back of the head. I think he killed five or six people, all with their hands tucked into their pants or belts.

So he points the gun about a foot or two from their heads and I see their heads exploding on the carpet and then mine. Arizona comes to Michigan. That few seconds seemed to last for hours as I waited for the gunfire. But instead he tells them he is going outside with me to check out my car and they should lie there for fifteen minutes because I might not come back. And he added maybe he will come back himself just to see if they moved and if they did its over for them.

So he tells me there is a taxi cab at the stand in front of the hotel and I should not do anything to alert the driver or he will kill me. I tell him we can walk out the back and we do. We walk about 100 feet to my car - a piece of crap 63 Falcon. He tells me to get in and start the car which I do.... but at the last second I think of a Dick Tracy Crimestopper tip and do not push the manual choke back in after starting it. I get out and he tells me to walk to the back of the parking lot and to not turn around. I do as he says and I hear my piggy Falcon chugging out of the lot. The cops find my car an hour later stalled by the side of the road about a half mile away.

story over.

digsbe said:

In light of protests and emotional stories I figured I would share mine. When I was 18 I was with a group of friends in July at a Sonic drive in one evening. We were peacefully enjoying ice cream when 2 teens with bandanas covering their mouths walked up and indiscriminately started shooting at people and objects. Our first instinct was to hid as running makes you a target. I remember me and my friends looked to take cover as quickly as possible when they weren't looking at us or in our general direction. I hid behind a Toyota, my brother in some bushes, and the 2 other girls we were with each hid behind different cars. We sat their motionless and in silence trying to phone 911 with our flip phones. The shooters entered the central area where the workers were also trying to hide/escape and they began shooting at them. The manager, thankfully, was a lawfully adult who was carrying a concealed handgun. He shot one of the teens in the torso and they both ran out behind the drive in to later be apprehended by police.

As a victim and witness of gun violence my life was saved by a lawful gun owner who used his firearm to attack 2 evil people out for innocent blood. Had he not had a gun I would have hated to see what would have happened in between the time of free fire and police being able to get to the scene. I could very well had been murdered by the 2 teenagers evading gun control illegally possessing and discharging firearms.

I was so inspired by the speeches and protesters today that I joined the NRA :lol:

I'm all for common sense gun control laws that with evidence would reduce the amount of firearms in the hands of those who would use them for evil. But I also strongly support our 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights and very well may owe my life to that right that many want to violate and/or take away.

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That's a terrible story.

It has also reminded me of the fact that there are actually posters here who attacked the kids from the Florida School shooting for hiding and using their phones rather than attempting to stop the shooter. Hopefully you don't get the same nonsense thrown at you after sharing your experience.

digsbe said:

In light of protests and emotional stories I figured I would share mine. When I was 18 I was with a group of friends in July at a Sonic drive in one evening. We were peacefully enjoying ice cream when 2 teens with bandanas covering their mouths walked up and indiscriminately started shooting at people and objects. Our first instinct was to hid as running makes you a target. I remember me and my friends looked to take cover as quickly as possible when they weren't looking at us or in our general direction. I hid behind a Toyota, my brother in some bushes, and the 2 other girls we were with each hid behind different cars. We sat their motionless and in silence trying to phone 911 with our flip phones. The shooters entered the central area where the workers were also trying to hide/escape and they began shooting at them. The manager, thankfully, was a lawfully adult who was carrying a concealed handgun. He shot one of the teens in the torso and they both ran out behind the drive in to later be apprehended by police.

As a victim and witness of gun violence my life was saved by a lawful gun owner who used his firearm to attack 2 evil people out for innocent blood. Had he not had a gun I would have hated to see what would have happened in between the time of free fire and police being able to get to the scene. I could very well had been murdered by the 2 teenagers evading gun control illegally possessing and discharging firearms.

I was so inspired by the speeches and protesters today that I joined the NRA :lol:

I'm all for common sense gun control laws that with evidence would reduce the amount of firearms in the hands of those who would use them for evil. But I also strongly support our 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights and very well may owe my life to that right that many want to violate and/or take away.

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Having lived through an incident where I knew I was going to die (but didn't, thank God), I'm very happy for you...but you should bear in mind that you are very much the exception to the rule. The numbers of innocent people who are killed by guns far surpasses the numbers of people saved by legally-owned firearms. I realize that you don't want to hear that, but that is reality in America. You say you are all for "common sense gun control laws"...but if you indeed joined the NRA, then you joined those who strictly oppose common-sense gun control laws like universal background checks for all firearm purchases, public or private, or limits on magazine size, or taking assault-style weapons off the streets, or making it harder for domestic abusers and fugitives to have legal access to firearms. Perhaps you should either reconsider your membership...or reconsider your statement that you're "all for common sense gun control".

digsbe said:

In light of protests and emotional stories I figured I would share mine. When I was 18 I was with a group of friends in July at a Sonic drive in one evening. We were peacefully enjoying ice cream when 2 teens with bandanas covering their mouths walked up and indiscriminately started shooting at people and objects. Our first instinct was to hid as running makes you a target. I remember me and my friends looked to take cover as quickly as possible when they weren't looking at us or in our general direction. I hid behind a Toyota, my brother in some bushes, and the 2 other girls we were with each hid behind different cars. We sat their motionless and in silence trying to phone 911 with our flip phones. The shooters entered the central area where the workers were also trying to hide/escape and they began shooting at them. The manager, thankfully, was a lawfully adult who was carrying a concealed handgun. He shot one of the teens in the torso and they both ran out behind the drive in to later be apprehended by police.

As a victim and witness of gun violence my life was saved by a lawful gun owner who used his firearm to attack 2 evil people out for innocent blood. Had he not had a gun I would have hated to see what would have happened in between the time of free fire and police being able to get to the scene. I could very well had been murdered by the 2 teenagers evading gun control illegally possessing and discharging firearms.

I was so inspired by the speeches and protesters today that I joined the NRA :lol:

I'm all for common sense gun control laws that with evidence would reduce the amount of firearms in the hands of those who would use them for evil. But I also strongly support our 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights and very well may owe my life to that right that many want to violate and/or take away.

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How terrifying this must have been for you. So thankful a good guy with a gun was there to scare the cowardly thugs with guns away and save your life.

digsbe said:

I was so inspired by the speeches and protesters today that I joined the NRA :lol:

I'm all for common sense gun control laws

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No you aren't. You just like countless others have made this all Republican vs Democrat pissing match.

We will get no where in any kind of common sense gun control as everything has been placed into the emotional frenzy level by both sides.

The AR15 has become the pit bull.

Continue pissing.

digsbe said:

As a victim and witness of gun violence my life was saved by a lawful gun owner who used his firearm to attack 2 evil people out for innocent blood.

I was so inspired by the speeches and protesters today that I joined the NRA.

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It's just too bad and a little puzzling a man risking his life to end the senseless shooting didn't inspire you to join the NRA but people protesting yet another senseless mass shooting did.... eace

Glen Contrarian said:

Having lived through an incident where I knew I was going to die (but didn't, thank God), I'm very happy for you...but you should bear in mind that you are very much the exception to the rule. The numbers of innocent people who are killed by guns far surpasses the numbers of people saved by legally-owned firearms. I realize that you don't want to hear that, but that is reality in America. You say you are all for "common sense gun control laws"...but if you indeed joined the NRA, then you joined those who strictly oppose common-sense gun control laws like universal background checks for all firearm purchases, public or private, or limits on magazine size, or taking assault-style weapons off the streets, or making it harder for domestic abusers and fugitives to have legal access to firearms. Perhaps you should either reconsider your membership...or reconsider your statement that you're "all for common sense gun control".

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Millions of crimes are prevented every day, because of private gun ownership.

Glen Contrarian said:

Having lived through an incident where I knew I was going to die (but didn't, thank God), I'm very happy for you...but you should bear in mind that you are very much the exception to the rule. The numbers of innocent people who are killed by guns far surpasses the numbers of people saved by legally-owned firearms. I realize that you don't want to hear that, but that is reality in America. You say you are all for "common sense gun control laws"...but if you indeed joined the NRA, then you joined those who strictly oppose common-sense gun control laws like universal background checks for all firearm purchases, public or private, or limits on magazine size, or taking assault-style weapons off the streets, or making it harder for domestic abusers and fugitives to have legal access to firearms. Perhaps you should either reconsider your membership...or reconsider your statement that you're "all for common sense gun control".

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That's not true. You're only counting incidents were the badguy was shot and killed. Some cases the badguy was shot and wounded, some cases the badguy was shot at but didn't get hit, and then most of the time the mere presenting the firearm was enough to deter the badguy. According to the CDC there are at least 500,000 defensive gun use cases per year.

I really hate to do this Digsbe.

But would you mind explaining some of the inconsistencies in your story?

Because the thing is... I vaguely remember you telling this story before and it sounded a little different, I do have a bit of a photographic memory.

In this version of events you are implying that this was some sort of attempted mass shooting... Would that be fair to say?

Here are all your accounts of what occured which you have recounted over the years:

digsbe said:

In light of protests and emotional stories I figured I would share mine. When I was 18 I was with a group of friends in July at a Sonic drive in one evening. We were peacefully enjoying ice cream when 2 teens with bandanas covering their mouths walked up and indiscriminately started shooting at people and objects. Our first instinct was to hid as running makes you a target. I remember me and my friends looked to take cover as quickly as possible when they weren't looking at us or in our general direction. I hid behind a Toyota, my brother in some bushes, and the 2 other girls we were with each hid behind different cars. We sat their motionless and in silence trying to phone 911 with our flip phones. The shooters entered the central area where the workers were also trying to hide/escape and they began shooting at them. The manager, thankfully, was a lawfully adult who was carrying a concealed handgun. He shot one of the teens in the torso and they both ran out behind the drive in to later be apprehended by police.

As a victim and witness of gun violence my life was saved by a lawful gun owner who used his firearm to attack 2 evil people out for innocent blood. Had he not had a gun I would have hated to see what would have happened in between the time of free fire and police being able to get to the scene. I could very well had been murdered by the 2 teenagers evading gun control illegally possessing and discharging firearms.

I was so inspired by the speeches and protesters today that I joined the NRA :lol:

I'm all for common sense gun control laws that with evidence would reduce the amount of firearms in the hands of those who would use them for evil. But I also strongly support our 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights and very well may owe my life to that right that many want to violate and/or take away.

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digsbe said:

I've even witnessed a gang shooting done by two black guys right in front of me (they randomly went into a Sonic I was at, walked into the store without a word and started firing on the manager who also fired back at them).

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digsbe said:

I wish there was an "other" option. I was eating a Sonic once and two gang members came up and started shooting up the place. I didn't have a gun and I just ran with my friends and we got in our cars and drove off immediately. I didn't "need" a gun, but had I not had a vehicle handy I would have. Even so, having a gun in this situation would have been best and safest for me and others.

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I think people can become racist. I don't know if this counts for anything or if it makes me racist, but I feel very uncomfortable and scared around blacks, Mexicans, and white guys who dress like thugs and curse a lot. This is due to the fact that while at a Sonic drive in, two black guys dressed like thugs and wearing black and white checkered bandannas over their faces came over and just started shooting up the place. They went into the kitchen area and just started opening fire without saying a word. I myself was shaking and ran straight into my friend's car. We then went around 90mph down the road and ran red lights (the girl who was driving was terrified). I was the one to call the police and deal with that whole aspect of things. I have no problem at all around minorities around any race, but anyone that dresses like a thug/gangster or wears a bandanna I feel very uncomfortable around. I just don't feel safe, and my initial reaction is to get as far away from them as possible.

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digsbe said:

I've actually witnessed a shooting, it was an armed robbery by a gang. It was thwarted by the manager who owned a handgun and shot one of the gang members, they ran when he got shot and when they saw the manager was armed. Thank goodness for our 2nd Amendment rights :mrgreen: They initiated things by walking to the back of where they prepare food at a Sonic and shooting machines without saying a word and then demanding money.

How I handled it was that my instinct was to hide, I figured they were not after me and if they didn't find me I would be ok. I was literally 3 feet away from where the bullets were discharged. After the gang members ran we all jumped in a car, sped like mad people to a friends house where my brother was there comforting the 2 girls with us while I dealt with the police on the phone (I was the only one not shaken up enough to handle it).

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Here's a couple of things that stood out to me from your different posts:

When I was 18 I was with a group of friends in July at a Sonic drive in one evening. We were peacefully enjoying ice cream when 2 teens with bandanas covering their mouths walked up and indiscriminately started shooting at people and objects.

two black guys right in front of me (they randomly went into a Sonic I was at, walked into the store without a word and started firing on the manager who also fired back at them

I was eating a Sonic once and two gang members came up and started shooting up the place.

two black guys dressed like thugs and wearing black and white checkered bandannas over their faces came over and just started shooting up the place.

They initiated things by walking to the back of where they prepare food at a Sonic and shooting machines without saying a word and then demanding money.

They went into the kitchen area and just started opening fire without saying a word.

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In your OP for this thread you stated they came in and started indiscriminately firing at everyone in the vicinity, or that's the way I interpreted what you were saying.

Here you say in your OP:

As a victim and witness of gun violence my life was saved by a lawful gun owner who used his firearm to attack 2 evil people out for innocent blood.

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But in your other version of events it sounds like they were just trying to rob the joint, albeit in a very violent fashion.

Also unfortunately it would appear that what happened after the shooting started seems to also have changed a little bit as far as your posts state.

Our first instinct was to hid as running makes you a target. I remember me and my friends looked to take cover as quickly as possible when they weren't looking at us or in our general direction. I hid behind a Toyota, my brother in some bushes, and the 2 other girls we were with each hid behind different cars. We sat their motionless and in silence trying to phone 911 with our flip phones.

I didn't have a gun and I just ran with my friends and we got in our cars and drove off immediately.

I myself was shaking and ran straight into my friend's car. We then went around 90mph down the road and ran red lights

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So digsbe, if I've misinterpreted something here I apologize, and I do not want to doubt that you were there and witnessed a shooting/robbery, but unfortunately as I've seen, especially since Trumps election you have become more extremist and in this case, to oppose these protesters and bolster your argument it would appear for all intents and purposes that you have embellished your story.

As someone pointed out and something that you must as a matter of urgency self analyze, why is it that, that incident and a legal gun owner firing back did not spur you to join the NRA and stand up for those rights, but kids who went through a mass shooting and understandably whether you want to agree with it or not, blame the wide open availability of weapons as a reason for what occurred spur you to do so, the answer is simple, hostile tribalism.

I did not take any pleasure in doing this and I might even take a lot, a lot of **** for doing so because you may have an explanation for this that makes me look like a total and complete dick but I think you're a good person digsbe, but I think you need to take a look at your increasingly hostile and extremist tribalism.

digsbe said:

In light of protests and emotional stories I figured I would share mine. When I was 18 I was with a group of friends in July at a Sonic drive in one evening. We were peacefully enjoying ice cream when 2 teens with bandanas covering their mouths walked up and indiscriminately started shooting at people and objects. Our first instinct was to hid as running makes you a target. I remember me and my friends looked to take cover as quickly as possible when they weren't looking at us or in our general direction. I hid behind a Toyota, my brother in some bushes, and the 2 other girls we were with each hid behind different cars. We sat their motionless and in silence trying to phone 911 with our flip phones. The shooters entered the central area where the workers were also trying to hide/escape and they began shooting at them. The manager, thankfully, was a lawfully adult who was carrying a concealed handgun. He shot one of the teens in the torso and they both ran out behind the drive in to later be apprehended by police.

As a victim and witness of gun violence my life was saved by a lawful gun owner who used his firearm to attack 2 evil people out for innocent blood. Had he not had a gun I would have hated to see what would have happened in between the time of free fire and police being able to get to the scene. I could very well had been murdered by the 2 teenagers evading gun control illegally possessing and discharging firearms.

I was so inspired by the speeches and protesters today that I joined the NRA :lol:

I'm all for common sense gun control laws that with evidence would reduce the amount of firearms in the hands of those who would use them for evil. But I also strongly support our 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights and very well may owe my life to that right that many want to violate and/or take away.

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How did your attackers gets their guns? I'm sure they didn't make them themselves....

Sounds like you are rightfully glad that someone used a gun to end the attack against you, but without the NRA, likely those kids would never had got guns and that attack would never have happened.

Glen Contrarian said:

Having lived through an incident where I knew I was going to die (but didn't, thank God), I'm very happy for you...but you should bear in mind that you are very much the exception to the rule. The numbers of innocent people who are killed by guns far surpasses the numbers of people saved by legally-owned firearms. I realize that you don't want to hear that, but that is reality in America. You say you are all for "common sense gun control laws"...but if you indeed joined the NRA, then you joined those who strictly oppose common-sense gun control laws like universal background checks for all firearm purchases, public or private, or limits on magazine size, or taking assault-style weapons off the streets, or making it harder for domestic abusers and fugitives to have legal access to firearms. Perhaps you should either reconsider your membership...or reconsider your statement that you're "all for common sense gun control".

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another complete and idiotic lie. Even the Obama run DOJ found thousands of cases of DGUs each year

Cameron said:

How did your attackers gets their guns? I'm sure they didn't make them themselves....

Sounds like you are rightfully glad that someone used a gun to end the attack against you, but without the NRA, likely those kids would never had got guns and that attack would never have happened.

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really-using your logic, since there is no legal sources of heroin, no one should be dying of smack overdoses

TurtleDude said:

really-using your logic, since there is no legal sources of heroin, no one should be dying of smack overdoses

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do you not understand what the word "likely" means?

digsbe said:

In light of protests and emotional stories I figured I would share mine. When I was 18 I was with a group of friends in July at a Sonic drive in one evening. We were peacefully enjoying ice cream when 2 teens with bandanas covering their mouths walked up and indiscriminately started shooting at people and objects. Our first instinct was to hid as running makes you a target. I remember me and my friends looked to take cover as quickly as possible when they weren't looking at us or in our general direction. I hid behind a Toyota, my brother in some bushes, and the 2 other girls we were with each hid behind different cars. We sat their motionless and in silence trying to phone 911 with our flip phones. The shooters entered the central area where the workers were also trying to hide/escape and they began shooting at them. The manager, thankfully, was a lawfully adult who was carrying a concealed handgun. He shot one of the teens in the torso and they both ran out behind the drive in to later be apprehended by police.

As a victim and witness of gun violence my life was saved by a lawful gun owner who used his firearm to attack 2 evil people out for innocent blood. Had he not had a gun I would have hated to see what would have happened in between the time of free fire and police being able to get to the scene. I could very well had been murdered by the 2 teenagers evading gun control illegally possessing and discharging firearms.

I was so inspired by the speeches and protesters today that I joined the NRA :lol:

I'm all for common sense gun control laws that with evidence would reduce the amount of firearms in the hands of those who would use them for evil. But I also strongly support our 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights and very well may owe my life to that right that many want to violate and/or take away.

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I wasn't in a situation like that but it could have escalated.

I was getting gas i my car at a gas station. It is on a fairly busy road even at night (was working night shift).
2 groups of teens i would say got into an argument about something running their mouths at each other.

the next thing i know one of the guys has a tire iron and bashes in the rear wind shield of the other car.
I ducked behind my car because they all went scrambling and left and the other group start looking around.

i figured they had a gun on them. i really need to go get my CCW. I have been in other places when i travel that the area
is not that nice.

digsbe said:

In light of protests and emotional stories I figured I would share mine. When I was 18 I was with a group of friends in July at a Sonic drive in one evening. We were peacefully enjoying ice cream when 2 teens with bandanas covering their mouths walked up and indiscriminately started shooting at people and objects. Our first instinct was to hid as running makes you a target. I remember me and my friends looked to take cover as quickly as possible when they weren't looking at us or in our general direction. I hid behind a Toyota, my brother in some bushes, and the 2 other girls we were with each hid behind different cars. We sat their motionless and in silence trying to phone 911 with our flip phones. The shooters entered the central area where the workers were also trying to hide/escape and they began shooting at them. The manager, thankfully, was a lawfully adult who was carrying a concealed handgun. He shot one of the teens in the torso and they both ran out behind the drive in to later be apprehended by police.

As a victim and witness of gun violence my life was saved by a lawful gun owner who used his firearm to attack 2 evil people out for innocent blood. Had he not had a gun I would have hated to see what would have happened in between the time of free fire and police being able to get to the scene. I could very well had been murdered by the 2 teenagers evading gun control illegally possessing and discharging firearms.

I was so inspired by the speeches and protesters today that I joined the NRA :lol:

I'm all for common sense gun control laws that with evidence would reduce the amount of firearms in the hands of those who would use them for evil. But I also strongly support our 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights and very well may owe my life to that right that many want to violate and/or take away.

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I'll admit to being confused by this, as Jetboogieman is and indicated in his posts in response to this. You've apparently told multiple and contradictory stories about this. Maybe it's like one of those stories that evolves to take a life of its own the more times you tell it. In some of your versions, you weren't even threatened by the two "teens" and weren't anywhere near the actual shooting, which varied from kitchen staff to just the manager to a "central area".

Why were you only inspired to join the NRA after seeing kids speak over the weekend in protest of children their ages getting shot in the safety of their schools, and not prior to this since apparently this story (or one of the versions of it) happened years ago?

I appreciate and can recognize the fear you must have experienced seeing people with guns intent on harm. You surely appreciate and recognize the fear the children in Parkland felt the day they watched people they know get shot, or the fear the people in Las Vegas felt that night at an outdoor concert. It would seem to me that you would empathize with them, not be so against them that you decided to join forces with the NRA to oppose them as they protest out of fear.

Jetboogieman said:

Here's a couple of things that stood out to me from your different posts:



In your OP for this thread you stated they came in and started indiscriminately firing at everyone in the vicinity, or that's the way I interpreted what you were saying.

Here you say in your OP:



But in your other version of events it sounds like they were just trying to rob the joint, albeit in a very violent fashion.

Also unfortunately it would appear that what happened after the shooting started seems to also have changed a little bit as far as your posts state.



So digsbe, if I've misinterpreted something here I apologize, and I do not want to doubt that you were there and witnessed a shooting/robbery, but unfortunately as I've seen, especially since Trumps election you have become more extremist and in this case, to oppose these protesters and bolster your argument it would appear for all intents and purposes that you have embellished your story.

As someone pointed out and something that you must as a matter of urgency self analyze, why is it that, that incident and a legal gun owner firing back did not spur you to join the NRA and stand up for those rights, but kids who went through a mass shooting and understandably whether you want to agree with it or not, blame the wide open availability of weapons as a reason for what occurred spur you to do so, the answer is simple, hostile tribalism.

I did not take any pleasure in doing this and I might even take a lot, a lot of **** for doing so because you may have an explanation for this that makes me look like a total and complete dick but I think you're a good person digsbe, but I think you need to take a look at your increasingly hostile and extremist tribalism.

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I don't really see the inconsistency. Sonic drive ins are outdoor establishments with a small central area where the workers make food.

We were sitting at the tables outside the area roughly 10 feet away from where the active shooting happened. The men pulled out their guns prior to opening the door and began firing at people, when they came up and we saw the guns we hid after they turned their heads and aimed for the staff and the shooters were firing off randomly at staff while all we could do was try to hide and not be targets. After the manager shot one of them they ran off and we got in our cars and fled the area while calling police.

I'll admit I've gotten more extreme, and it's in response to a more extreme left wing that blatantly lies and twists anything they can to attack the GOP/President/conservatives. I don't like all that the GOP stands for, but I think the liberal vitriol and blatant hate coupled with misinformation and ignorance needs confronted. At the end of the day I witnessed an armed robbery and that was thwarted by a law abiding gun owner shooting the criminal. For all we know they could have walked out and started shooting people they found 10 feet outside.

I'm not much of a gun person myself. Don't own one or plan to in the near future. I joined the NRA now because at this time with the "March for our Lives" drama I wanted to do something to protect the 2nd Amendment and I know a membership fee to the NRA is likely the next best thing apart from voting.

sangha said:

do you not understand what the word "likely" means?

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you're whining about my point and letting the idiocy I was responding to go unchallenged? The fact is-banning guns (see Mexico) doesn't stop gun crime just like banning heroin hasn't stopped heroin overdoses. and unlike guns-where the cops and military and Democrat party elites and their bodyguards would have guns even if they are banned for private citizens, (and thus a source of diversion) there is no legal market for heroin

TurtleDude said:

you're whining about my point and letting the idiocy I was responding to go unchallenged?

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You have no point. All you have is a straw man that dishonestly pretends to respond to something that was not said.