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"If you have children, don't have a gun in the home"

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I heard that quote today from David Frum while listening to an old podcast. He was asked what his "friends" on the Right would say about it. His response was that he didn't care. "Facts do not need friends."

He's right.

Although mass shootings get more attention, children are far more likely to be killed at home.

Through homicide, suicide and accidents, guns cause twice as many deaths in young people as cancer, five times as many as heart disease and 15 times as many as infections, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/11/children-protection-gun-violence/2079177/
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:applaud David Frum.
78% of Americans do not own guns. That's a fact too.
 
calamity said:
I heard that quote today from David Frum while listening to an old podcast. He was asked what his "friends" on the Right would say about it. His response was that he didn't care. "Facts do not need friends."

He's right.
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Yep, let's dig up an old article and say that the falling trend of child accidental death by firearms is really worse than mass shootings.

Fewer children are dying from gun accidents today than a decade ago, as well. The number of kids younger than 14 who died in a gun accident fell from 86 in 2000 to 62 in 2010, according to the CDC. Yet progress has been uneven. Among the youngest children -- those younger than 4 -- the number of accidental gun deaths more than doubled, to 25 a year in 2010.
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After realizing that these specific gun deaths fell 28% from 2000 to 2010 claiming 62 lives annually in a nation of over 300 million people (and at least that many guns). While I agree that it takes a special kind of moron to leave a gun available to be handeld by a child in their home - it is not, in any way shape or form, a leading cause of child death.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, let's dig up an old article and say that the falling trend of child accidental death by firearms is really, really worse than mass shootings.



After realizing that these specific gun deaths fell 28% from 2000 to 2010 claiming 62 lives annually in a nation of over 300 million people (and at least that many guns). While I agree that it takes a special kind of moron to leave a gun available to be handeld by a child in their home - it is not, in any way shape or form, a leading cause of child death.
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Children dying by gun is not in decline. Here's a more recent article, if you prefer something more contemporaneous.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/guns-killed-more-kids-since-sandy-hook-than-soldiers/ar-BBKiPpb

In the five years and three months since December*14, 2012*massacre at Sandy Hook in Newtown, Connecticut, when 20-year-old Adam Lanza killed 20 first graders and six adults with an AR-15-style rifle, about 7,000 children have died by gunfire.
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calamity said:
I heard that quote today from David Frum while listening to an old podcast. He was asked what his "friends" on the Right would say about it. His response was that he didn't care. "Facts do not need friends."

He's right.
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Frum has always been anti gun. He was two doors down from my brother's room in Silliman College- one of the then 12 residential colleges at Yale. He's a classic Neocon. His opinion on guns has no relevance to people educated in this subject
 
calamity said:
I heard that quote today from David Frum while listening to an old podcast. He was asked what his "friends" on the Right would say about it. His response was that he didn't care. "Facts do not need friends."

He's right.
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People who have a gun and do not have a gun safe at home are criminals if you ask me
 
TurtleDude said:
Frum has always been anti gun. He was two doors down from my brother's room in Silliman College- one of the then 12 residential colleges at Yale. He's a classic Neocon. His opinion on guns has no relevance to people educated in this subject
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In other words, he a sane rationalist.
 
Threegoofs said:
In other words, he a sane rationalist.
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nah he's a bannerrhoid who has always had a cultural hard on for socially conservative white Christian males whom he sees as the main membership of the NRA
 
**** off ****

vegas giants said:
People who have a gun and do not have a gun safe at home are criminals if you ask me
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Its a good thing no one asked you, since you're incapable of citing the crime, nor have you ever managed to support a single position you've had here.
 
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Spartacus FPV said:
Its a good thing no one asked you, since you're incapable of citing the crime, nor have you ever managed to support a single position you've had here.
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The crime is whatever we decide is the crime in congress. Duh.
 
vegas giants said:
People who have a gun and do not have a gun safe at home are criminals if you ask me
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It was shocking for me to learn that more than half of gun owners do not lock up their guns.
 
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vegas giants said:
The crime is whatever we decide is the crime in congress. Duh.
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That's not how the law works, a crime is what is illegal based on the laws on the book, not your mindless whims. But thanks for proving my point about your inability to support your bull**** claims.
 
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Spartacus FPV said:
That's not how the law works, a crime is what is illegal based on the laws on the book, not your mindless whims. But thanks for proving my point about your inability to support your bull**** claims.
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So we will put it on the books. Lol. Duh.
 
trixare4kids said:
It was shocking for me to learn that more than half of gun owners do not lock up their guns.
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Little kids killing little kids is a uniquely American phenomenon
 
calamity said:
Children dying by gun is not in decline. Here's a more recent article, if you prefer something more contemporaneous.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/guns-killed-more-kids-since-sandy-hook-than-soldiers/ar-BBKiPpb
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You are already having to resort to moving the goalposts (with only your second post in this dopey thread). Your initial BS was claiming the "large number" of accidental child deaths from having a gun in the home (see thread title to refresh your memory). Dying from gunfire is normally not from an accident - suicides are the leading cause of "gun death" followed by homicides.
 
Ah. White Christian males are under attack. How about acting like Christians?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
You are already having to resort to moving the goalposts. Your initial BS was claiming the "large number" of accidental child deaths from having a gun in the home (see thread title to refresh your memory). Dying from gunfire is normally not from an accident - suicides are the leading cause of "gun death" followed by homicides.
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It's a huge number compared to any other developed country
 
ttwtt78640 said:
You are already having to resort to moving the goalposts (with only your second post in this dopey thread). Your initial BS was claiming the "large number" of accidental child deaths from having a gun in the home (see thread title to refresh your memory). Dying from gunfire is normally not from an accident - suicides are the leading cause of "gun death" followed by homicides.
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Please show where I wrote "accidental."
 
TurtleDude said:
Frum has always been anti gun. He was two doors down from my brother's room in Silliman College- one of the then 12 residential colleges at Yale. He's a classic Neocon. His opinion on guns has no relevance to people educated in this subject
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lol...you mean, Frum's opinion has no relevance to you. :lol:
 
Parrish said:
Ah. White Christian males are under attack. How about acting like Christians?
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Your posts pretty well demonstrate your hatred of that group

here, read this and learn about your motivations a bit more

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/06/orlando-shooting-gun-control-left-wing-identity-politics/

ut as a son of immigrants and a member of at least one minority group, Omar Mateen makes a poor poster-boy for the Left, which prefers that its enemies be white, male, Christian, and, if possible, middle-aged, middle-American, and overweight. Remember how, during the Tea Party rallies, so much attention was paid to the fact that some participants were obese and using mobility scooters? That wasn’t an accident. It’s loathing substituting for analysis. For much the same reason, cartoons purporting to depict gun-rights supporters after Orlando almost invariably depicted obese, aging, white, and downscale (rumpled, ill-kempt) subjects. That is whom the Left believes to be the problem when it comes to violence in these United States — and most other problems, too. The relevant psychology here is that of intellectual development arrested in adolescence. If you’ve ever heard a 50-year-old lefty raging about Middle America and thought that it sounded a lot like a 14-year-old raging about his stick-in-the-mud father, you’re not the first to whom that has occurred.

The cultural role of the NRA is to be the fat white face that absorbs the Left’s hatred for the hunting, shooting, and gun-collecting demographics. This has nothing to do with the NRA’s opposition to some kinds of gun control, a fact that can be readily appreciated by looking at the sort of thing gun-rights advocates generally do support in the way of gun control, which progressives either ignore or actively oppose. Consider the history of “Project Exile,” an experimental program in which Virginia firearms offenders were shifted to federal court and prosecuted under the Gun Control Act of 1968, meaning a minimum of five years in the federal penitentiary for those convicted. Who was in support of using the Gun Control Act to control gun crime? The NRA, for one. Who opposed it? The Congressional Black Caucus, civil-liberties groups, Families Against Mandatory Minimums, etc.
 
vegas giants said:
It's a huge number compared to any other developed country
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That is not supported by the OP link. Yes, to have a gun in the home is more common in this country - absent that very fact it would not even have become a country.
 
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