The NRA Is Losing

[calamity]

Yes, the certainly are.

The NRA is losing the public debate over guns. And they’re panicking because of it. There’s no other way to interpret the frantic behavior of America’s blood-soaked gun lobby.

The more than 100-year-old organization once represented sportsmen and marksmen. But after switching sides on the individual right to bear arms in the post-Black Panthers era of the late 1970s, it now solely represents the interests of gun manufacturers...

...with gun sales declining and no black bogeyman in the White House to drive firearms hoarding in red states, the group has resorted to rank extremism to keep themselves in the conversation; churning out bizarre videos that warn of looming threats of urban collapse, hordes of brown people storming the hinterlands, and of course Antifa!

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-nra-is-losing

 

[jet57]

Yes, the certainly are.

They are now suing the state of Florida for violating the second amendment by raising the age of purchase to 21.

Wayne LaPierre plays the violin while his Rome burns.

 

[calamity]

They are now suing the state of Florida for violating the second amendment by raising the age of purchase to 21.

Wayne LaPierre plays the violin while his Rome burns.

Best line in the article:

Their latest opus, from Cruella de Ville stand-in Dana Loesch ...

Best news in the article:

Defying the obeisance to the NRA’s diktats that has long been expected of lawmakers, they dared to pass a bill NRA chief lobbyist Marion Hammer didn’t like, and the life NRA member governor signed it. For decades, no bill has been permitted to pass Florida’s legislature that was not written or approved of by Hammer—the diminutive granny gun nut who is the real, permanent governor of the Gunshine State.

 

[Slingshot Bob]

They are now suing the state of Florida for violating the second amendment by raising the age of purchase to 21.

Wayne LaPierre plays the violin while his Rome burns.

Good, some one needs to stand up for the second.

 

[jet57]

Good, some one needs to stand up for the second.

Yeah it's not strong enough on its own merits and the founders were just messin around; sure, whatever you say. We need the NRA to tel what it really means.

 

[Slingshot Bob]

Yeah it's not strong enough on its own merits and the founders were just messin around; sure, whatever you say. We need the NRA to tel what it really means.

You could set the example and get rid of your weapons of war, maybe take a grinder to the actions or give them to the police for "disposal" ....in their gun safe!

 

[jet57]

Right.

This is what debating the NRA gun crowd is like:

 

[Slingshot Bob]

Right.

This is what debating the NRA gun crowd is like:

Yeah, because Alex Jones soooo represents the average NRA gun owner....:roll:

You could set the example and get rid of your weapons of war, maybe take a grinder to the actions or give them to the police for "disposal" ....in their gun safe!

 

[dogboy49]

From the article:

The more than 100-year-old organization once represented sportsmen and marksmen. But after switching sides on the individual right to bear arms in the post-Black Panthers era of the late 1970s, it now solely represents the interests of gun manufacturers,

Well, maybe the 5M dues-paying members have some say in the matter......

It’s hard to imagine the common-sense elements of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas law not spreading,

Yes, absolutely! The bill calls for
1. Allowing school employees to be armed
2. Spending money to bring public schools' security to a point where they are no longer soft targets.
3. Expand mental health services.

I would expect those states and cities that actually wish to reduce school shootings will do the same.

 

[PleasantValley]

The NRA is losing the public debate over guns. And they’re panicking because of it. There’s no other way to interpret the frantic behavior of America’s blood-soaked gun lobby.

The more than 100-year-old organization once represented sportsmen and marksmen. But after switching sides on the individual right to bear arms in the post-Black Panthers era of the late 1970s, it now solely represents the interests of gun manufacturers...

...with gun sales declining and no black bogeyman in the White House to drive firearms hoarding in red states, the group has resorted to rank extremism to keep themselves in the conversation; churning out bizarre videos that warn of looming threats of urban collapse, hordes of brown people storming the hinterlands, and of course Antifa!

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-nra-is-losing

OK....Is it just me or does this reek of an emotion riddled hit piece from the extreme left.
I do not see how any thinking person can see otherwise.

Oh, and to address the thread's title....NO...American gun owners are NOT loosing.
The NRA is the oldest gun owner organization, but far from being the only one.
It is the only one the gun grabbers know about. They are too focused on the cat when the lion walks up behind and eats everything in the pantry.
There are others even more effective at combating emotional gun grabs and are winning hands down.
That is why i enjoy gun grabbing shills focusing on ONLY the NRA, nothing but the NRA, and seeing no other groups.
They have tunnel vision, and that is a good thing. They only see the NRA and no others. Fantastic!

All the time the other groups are slapping down emotional gun grabbing legislation all over the country.

 

[HowardBThiname]

Yes, the certainly are.

The NRA may certainly lose the debate, temporarily, but in the long run, our Constitution, via SCOTUS, will be the final arbiter in what laws get handed down.

The public is virtually useless except as an emotional sounding board of the current political feeling. Now, after a mass shooting, the public is tied up in knots over AR15s, but give it some time, and their fervor will die down. Then, we'll have an incident in which some innocent young thing defends herself with a gun and the emotionalism will take over again, this time supporting gun rights. Just an emotional roller coaster.

But, none of that really matters, does it?

 

[jamesrage]

Right.

This is what debating the NRA gun crowd is like:

Jones is a loon that the left wing media use to make right wingers look stupid. The right wing media does the same thing too.They interview some liberal nutjob to make left wingers look stupid.

 

[ttwtt78640]

From the article:


Well, maybe the 5M dues-paying members have some say in the matter......




Yes, absolutely! The bill calls for
1. Allowing school employees to be armed
2. Spending money to bring public schools' security to a point where they are no longer soft targets.
3. Expand mental health services.

I would expect those states and cities that actually wish to reduce school shootings will do the same.

Those numbered points sound good - but what is the new FL school security requirement or mental health services requirement to report dangerous folks? I can find none in that FL law, yet the "gun control" parts of the law are spelled out in concrete terms.

Allocating a bit of money that can be used for school security is about feeling (wishing?) that school security might be be improved but that is not anywhere near saying that a FL school, by law, must have specific security measures A, B and C or pass any specific security test.

 

[Perotista]

Yes, the certainly are.

Does it really matter who wins or loses? As long as we don't addressed, try to find out, seek the cause of what motivates these people to go and kill for killings sake, whom and where doesn't matter, you can take away all the guns in the world and it will do no good. If a person wants to kill, he will find a way. Take away AR-15's, then he will use several automatic pistols or pump shotguns or some other gun. Take away guns, if a person is still motivated to kill, he'll find another tool to accomplish that task. Bombs, fire, arson in other words, chemicals, plenty of other tools that can be used.

I've never thought age in itself is a good indicator of maturity or in this case allowing someone to purchase a firearm. I've known 12 and 13 year old's more than mature enough to own their own guns and use them safely. I've known 50 year old's that weren't mature enough to be left with a plastic dinner knife. Each individual is different and age or grow up at a different rate, each attains responsibility for their actions at a different rate while some never do.

far as I'm concern Florida has every right to raise the age. But I'm amazed at the amount of people who think this solves the problem. This is no more than someone rushing in with a bottle of aspirin to cure a fever caused by a deadly brain tumor. Sure, the aspirin cures the fever, the cause remains. The motivation of these people to go out and kill for killing sake, remains.

Be happy, feel good, keep passing out the aspirin.

 

[calamity]

Does it really matter who wins or loses? As long as we don't addressed, try to find out, seek the cause of what motivates these people to go and kill for killings sake, whom and where doesn't matter, you can take away all the guns in the world and it will do no good. If a person wants to kill, he will find a way. Take away AR-15's, then he will use several automatic pistols or pump shotguns or some other gun. Take away guns, if a person is still motivated to kill, he'll find another tool to accomplish that task. Bombs, fire, arson in other words, chemicals, plenty of other tools that can be used.

I've never thought age in itself is a good indicator of maturity or in this case allowing someone to purchase a firearm. I've known 12 and 13 year old's more than mature enough to own their own guns and use them safely. I've known 50 year old's that weren't mature enough to be left with a plastic dinner knife. Each individual is different and age or grow up at a different rate, each attains responsibility for their actions at a different rate while some never do.

far as I'm concern Florida has every right to raise the age. But I'm amazed at the amount of people who think this solves the problem. This is no more than someone rushing in with a bottle of aspirin to cure a fever caused by a deadly brain tumor. Sure, the aspirin cures the fever, the cause remains. The motivation of these people to go out and kill for killing sake, remains.

Be happy, feel good, keep passing out the aspirin.

Personally, I see our nation's gun obsession as being a tacit approval to kill. It may only be symbolic, or it may be even deeper than that. But, make no mistake, the way we treat guns here approves using them to kill those we don't like.

Some people pretend they are for defense. Others argue sport. But, is that really the message we see? I think not. The message I see coming through loud and clear is "kill, kill, kill!"

 

[calamity]

The NRA may certainly lose the debate, temporarily, but in the long run, our Constitution, via SCOTUS, will be the final arbiter in what laws get handed down.

The public is virtually useless except as an emotional sounding board of the current political feeling. Now, after a mass shooting, the public is tied up in knots over AR15s, but give it some time, and their fervor will die down. Then, we'll have an incident in which some innocent young thing defends herself with a gun and the emotionalism will take over again, this time supporting gun rights. Just an emotional roller coaster.

But, none of that really matters, does it?

The public is smart enough to see that we have a problem with gun violence in the US.

 

[HowardBThiname]

The public is smart enough to see that we have a problem with gun violence in the US.

The "public" is wishy washy and while they may think they know what the problem is, but they likely do not. That's why we have a Constitution and SCOTUS to rule on our laws.

 

[Parrish]

The "public" is wishy washy and while they may think they know what the problem is, but they likely do not. That's why we have a Constitution and SCOTUS to rule on our laws.

Is that todays "talking point" from the NRA? And no the public is not wishy washy on gun safety.

 

[notquiteright]

Good, some one needs to stand up for the second.

Good, some one needs to stand up for the firearm industry's market share... fixed it for you... eace

 

[notquiteright]

You could set the example and get rid of your weapons of war, maybe take a grinder to the actions or give them to the police for "disposal" ....in their gun safe!

Does the Florida law demand surrender of 'weapons of war'??? You must work for the NRA, they were constantly sending me over the top rhetoric (and a slip to make a donation)

Hold your water, even black powder owners should try and stay rational during times like these... eace

 

[PleasantValley]

Jones is a loon that the left wing media use to make right wingers look stupid. The right wing media does the same thing too.They interview some liberal nutjob to make left wingers look stupid.

Well said.
I offer CAMPUS CRAZINESS as an example.
I am sure somewhere, someplace, on some distant or near college campus you will find some extreme left professor saying or doing something really dumb or offensive.

Cherry picking for sure.

 

[HowardBThiname]

Is that todays "talking point" from the NRA? And no the public is not wishy washy on gun safety.

What are you? 12? Try reading the news sometime.

 

[PleasantValley]

Does it really matter who wins or loses? As long as we don't addressed, try to find out, seek the cause of what motivates these people to go and kill for killings sake, whom and where doesn't matter, you can take away all the guns in the world and it will do no good. If a person wants to kill, he will find a way. Take away AR-15's, then he will use several automatic pistols or pump shotguns or some other gun. Take away guns, if a person is still motivated to kill, he'll find another tool to accomplish that task. Bombs, fire, arson in other words, chemicals, plenty of other tools that can be used.

I've never thought age in itself is a good indicator of maturity or in this case allowing someone to purchase a firearm. I've known 12 and 13 year old's more than mature enough to own their own guns and use them safely. I've known 50 year old's that weren't mature enough to be left with a plastic dinner knife. Each individual is different and age or grow up at a different rate, each attains responsibility for their actions at a different rate while some never do.

far as I'm concern Florida has every right to raise the age. But I'm amazed at the amount of people who think this solves the problem. This is no more than someone rushing in with a bottle of aspirin to cure a fever caused by a deadly brain tumor. Sure, the aspirin cures the fever, the cause remains. The motivation of these people to go out and kill for killing sake, remains.

Be happy, feel good, keep passing out the aspirin.

...and to your point exactly, if that homicidal maniac comes to a school but all entrances are secure and the only access point is through metal detectors, and armed and trained security personnel, he will not be nearly as successful. HOPING he will change his mind because it is a GUN FREE ZONE is shear insanity and goes against plain "common sense". That same buzz word the gun grabbers like to use. Unless murderers are physically stopped, they will continue killing. Laws and signs do not physically stop anyone.

One day this truth might sink into their heads, but it will not be today, for sure.

 

[Perotista]

Personally, I see our nation's gun obsession as being a tacit approval to kill. It may only be symbolic, or it may be even deeper than that. But, make no mistake, the way we treat guns here approves using them to kill those we don't like.

Some people pretend they are for defense. Others argue sport. But, is that really the message we see? I think not. The message I see coming through loud and clear is "kill, kill, kill!"

Okay. Guns are a problem, but are guns what motivates these people to go out and kill? Would the killing stop if there were no guns, period? I think not. We have seen people who want to kill do so with knives, machetes, hatchets, cars and trucks, bombs, fertilizer bombs. In Japan even the use of sarin gas, chemicals. Perhaps the device changes, perhaps not as many lives are lost and maybe more are as the device or tool changes.

I'm not certain legislation in any form is the answer. Regardless of the legislation or even banning. There may not be an answer. Perhaps some folks are just pure evil or some gene is passed down from the caveman days that requires a person to go out and kill for killing sake. We have laws against murder, robbery, drugs, etc. there are those who ignore them and do them anyway. If the want is there, the motivation, they don't care about the legislation.

What has changed since the 1970's when it comes to mass shootings, killings is pre-1970 these mass shootings were basically familicides and felonies. Killing for revenge, to get back at someone, going postal, for greed, money, power. A reason behind them and the person doing the killing knew these folks he was killing. Today, post 1970 if you will, those reasons don't apply. Now someone goes out to a public place, a mall, school, what have you and starts killing innocent bystanders, people he never knew for no reason other than to kill.

Maybe it's human nature to kill. An instinct in all of us. But most of us keep that instinct dormant. We acknowledge civilized laws and abide by them. Others don't. Others let their be it instinct, a want, a need, a motivation overcome them and go out to kill as many as possible in whatever way they can. Ban all guns and do nothing about the motivation, then these types of mass murders will become more prevalent and happen more often.

https://ijr.com/2015/12/487774-13-mass-killings-where-no-guns-were-involved/

Notice how some were much more deadly than mass shootings.

 

[PleasantValley]

Is that todays "talking point" from the NRA? And no the public is not wishy washy on gun safety.

Taken right from the commonly used buzz words of those that want to ban all guns.
The general "public" does not know diddly about guns or gun safety.
Those espousing "gun safety" know even less about guns in general and firearm safety in particular.

Remember the poster from Every Town For Gun Safety?
it showed a rifle barrel with a complete cartridge flying out of its barrel on its way to its target.
This was approved by all of the higher ups before it was posted.
It showed a total lack of knowledge about even the basics of firearms.
Much less how to safely use them.

Here ya go...They have no clue about their subject.
feel free to copy and distribute as proof of how clueless they are about their subject.