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ttwtt78640 said:
If your mission is just to blast some punk in the other gang then you use a throwaway gun - that's why so many guns are recovered. Why keep a gun that ties you to the crime?
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Dude, just admit you're wrong, it'll be so much easier.
 
jet57 said:
Where'd you see California? Most of the gun deaths are in the south eastern red states.
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Not quite the SE, but I know what you meant. Red states for sure are the least safe states when it comes to death by guns.

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Cali is actually rather safe.
 
Lutherf said:
If you take a look at homicide data as a whole you'll find that the highest per capita rates tend to be metropolitan areas. That really makes sense population density provides the criminal with more targets and more anonymity which translates to a lower chance of getting caught. Homicides tend to follow other crimes so areas with a lot of other crime issues also seem to have higher homicide rates.
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Good point, Luther.
 
calamity said:
Not quite the SE, but I know what you meant. Red states for sure are the least safe states when it comes to death by guns.

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Cali is actually rather safe.
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Wow. Illinois actually looks pretty damn safe, too. And that's with the Chicago data averaged in. Take away the Chicago skew with it's 16.4 per 100K, and it would seem Illinois outside of Chicago is extremely safe.

And yes, California - by this map - looks like one of the safest states in the nation.
 
Chomsky said:
Wow. Illinois actually looks pretty damn safe, too And that's with the Chicago data averaged in. Take away the Chicago skew with it's 16.4 per 100K, and it would seem Illinois outside of Chicago is extremely safe.
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The high rates up in WY and MT really surprised me. Hell, the population density up there is so thin you almost have to go out of your way just to find someone to shoot.

The only thing I can think of to explain it is the high suicide rate of White Males.
 
I can tell you one with none, and that would be Wy. they have very few gun laws, you can walk open carry, CC all with no permit required, yet no mass shootings and crime rate if I remember at 7th lowest.
 
calamity said:
The high rates up in WY and MT really surprised me. Hell, the population density up there is so thin you almost have to go out of your way just to find someone to shoot.

The only thing I can think of to explain it is the high suicide rate of White Males.
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Yeah, I agree. Quite a few states with low population density, and no or few large cities, seem much higher than I expected. That's odd.

But here's what freaks me out, as I'm Googling data. Can the chart below be accurate? Along with yours? Because if Chicago is really at 16.4, and your map is good, this would seem to indicate that the city of Chicago has pretty much the same rates as quite a few of of the states in your map, and is actually lower than a few of them! Can this be?


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Source: The Trace: Chicago Isn’t Even Close to Being the Gun Violence Capital of the United States
 
Chomsky said:
Yeah, I agree. Quite a few states with low population density, and no or few large cities, seem much higher than I expected. That's odd.

But here's what freaks me out, as I'm Googling data. Can the chart below be accurate? Along with yours? Because if Chicago is really at 16.4, and your map is good, this would seem to indicate that the city of Chicago has pretty much the same rates as quite a few of of the states in your map, and is actually lower than a few of them! Can this be?


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Source: The Trace: Chicago Isn’t Even Close to Being the Gun Violence Capital of the United States
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Per capita is everything. Chicago has nearly 3 million people. So, 700 homicides there is not all that big of a deal. But, 500 homicides in Detroit, with a quarter of the the population, certainly is.

Same applies to some of those rural states. 100 gun deaths in a state with half of a million people blows the per capita numbers out of the water.
 
calamity said:
Not quite the SE, but I know what you meant. Red states for sure are the least safe states when it comes to death by guns.

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Cali is actually rather safe.
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you're including suicides which have no relevance to safety
 
Barnacle said:
Which means Indiana must be overwhelmed by now with all those gun crimes, right?!?
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No......there's not a single gun left in Indiana. They all went to Chicago thugs.
 
calamity said:
lol...that depends on your definition of "safety." I guess.
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I don't make precautions or worry about someone else wasting themselves. Sure beats them jumping out of buildings or worse yet-driving the wrong way on a freeway
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't make precautions or worry about someone else wasting themselves. Sure beats them jumping out of buildings or worse yet-driving the wrong way on a freeway
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Speaking of jumping out of buildings...is safety glass a waste of money?
 
calamity said:
Speaking of jumping out of buildings...is safety glass a waste of money?
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not for anyone who routinely walks near said buildings. also it depends on the weight and airspeed of the birds in the area
 
TurtleDude said:
not for anyone who routinely walks near said buildings. also it depends on the weight and airspeed of the birds in the area
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You do know those windows do not open. Correct?
 
This dishonest adding of suicides to the total is idiotic.

Suicide is becoming legal in more and more places.

Using it to inflate the numbers just shows how desperate the gun-haters are getting.
 
Chomsky said:
Yeah, I agree. Quite a few states with low population density, and no or few large cities, seem much higher than I expected. That's odd.

But here's what freaks me out, as I'm Googling data. Can the chart below be accurate? Along with yours? Because if Chicago is really at 16.4, and your map is good, this would seem to indicate that the city of Chicago has pretty much the same rates as quite a few of of the states in your map, and is actually lower than a few of them! Can this be?


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Source: The Trace: Chicago Isn’t Even Close to Being the Gun Violence Capital of the United States
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Ah, but see, the focus is GUN death, not murder/homicide. Death caused specifically by a gun.
 
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