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Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243, 2001]

re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

TurtleDude said:
anthrax has no legitimate use to anyone other than medical researchers. You know that. when our civilian police are issued anthrax, maybe your stupid analogy might have some value
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So if it has no legitimate use in your eyes, it should be banned? What about about the enjoyment I get in owning it? I'm really interested in chemistry. We need to have the same weapons as the army to ensure our freedom.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Vox said:
Not if it results in the loss of life of good citizens due to good citizens being deprived of their stick for self-defense.
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less sticks in society = less likelihood of requiring self-defence.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Aristaeus said:
So if it has no legitimate use in your eyes, it should be banned? What about about the enjoyment I get in owning it? I'm really interested in chemistry. We need to have the same weapons as the army to ensure our freedom.
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this is dishonest argument on your part. not going to indulge such nonsense
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Aristaeus said:
less sticks in society = less likelihood of requiring self-defence.
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except gun grabbers' proposals disarm good people, not bad ones
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

TurtleDude said:
except gun grabbers' proposals disarm good people, not bad ones
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It also has a positive effect on societies attitudes to guns that results in them being less desirable in general. Let's compare the percentage of criminals in the US that own guns to the percentage of criminals in the UK that owns guns: why are criminals in the UK much less likely to possess a gun compared to a criminal in the US?
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

TurtleDude said:
this is dishonest argument on your part. not going to indulge such nonsense
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No it's not. If I gain enjoyment from owning vials of anthrax and I'm not harming anyone with them, what reason do you have to take them from me?
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Aristaeus said:
It also has a positive effect on societies attitudes to guns that results in them being less desirable in general. Let's compare the percentage of criminals in the US that own guns to the percentage of criminals in the UK that owns guns: why are criminals in the UK much less likely to possess a gun compared to a criminal in the US?
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criminals were less likely to use guns in the UK long before that country started its jihad against legal gun ownership. Look, I understand why a socialist would be against private citizens having the power of firearms. But many of us don't think that the concentration of all power in the hands of the government is a good thing
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Aristaeus said:
No it's not. If I gain enjoyment from owning vials of anthrax and I'm not harming anyone with them, what reason do you have to take them from me?
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what possible enjoyment do you get-you aren't being honest and you are trying to pretend that firearms should be treated the same as anthrax which is idiotic
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Aristaeus said:
It also has a positive effect on societies attitudes to guns that results in them being less desirable in general. Let's compare the percentage of criminals in the US that own guns to the percentage of criminals in the UK that owns guns: why are criminals in the UK much less likely to possess a gun compared to a criminal in the US?
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So instead of trying to change attitudes about criminal acts see trying to change attitudes about guns as being more beneficial than society? I’d suggest that attitude is a good part if why we have the criminal problems we do.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

TurtleDude said:
what possible enjoyment do you get-you aren't being honest and you are trying to pretend that firearms should be treated the same as anthrax which is idiotic
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I'm interested in chemistry. Anyway, why do I need a reason?
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Aristaeus said:
I'm interested in chemistry. Anyway, why do I need a reason?
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because there is no legitimate reason to have something that dangerous. and you cannot claim the same about firearms
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Aristaeus said:
less sticks in society = less likelihood of requiring self-defence.
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Wrong.

Absolutely no reason to say that.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Vox said:
Wrong.

Absolutely no reason to say that.
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all gun banners can do is make less LEGAL guns in society. and that has a disparate impact on HONEST citizens
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

TurtleDude said:
well if you want to be taken seriously, you need to explain why you claim to be a libertarian while pushing erosions on our liberty
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It was how I used to identify my political lean on another forum for many years.

I've now changed my profile because I don't want to be affiliated with the libertarian movement anyways at this point (too conservative for me) and so you guys will stop derailing discussions to it.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

TurtleDude said:
because there is no legitimate reason to have something that dangerous. and you cannot claim the same about firearms
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Why? You just did it yourself. You completely dismissed a "liberty" you disagreed with, citing absolutely no grounds for doing so.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

ttwtt78640 said:
The SCOTUS disagrees with you - in order to restrict a constitutional right (e.g. SSM or parade permits) the state must show a compelling state interest for doing so.
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The SCOTUS has also ruled that gun control does not necessarily infringe on the 2A, so you really shouldn't go there.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

MovingPictures said:
The SCOTUS has also ruled that gun control does not necessarily infringe on the 2A, so you really shouldn't go there.
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That depends on the nature of the "gun control" law, the skill of those presenting arguments (for or against it) and the make-up of the SCOTUS hearing a given case. I agree that the SCOTUS is not apt to make a clear ruling on what is (or is not) an infringement - they only rule on the narrow matter placed before them (if they choose to at all).
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

MovingPictures said:
I'm sick and need mental help because I don't share your exact views on gun ownership?
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In my opinion the restricting of peoples rights who have done nothing wrong is wrong, sick and pathetic. I believe in punishing the people doing wrong not the people doing nothing wrong.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

MovingPictures said:
He acted like it's unreasonable to even ask why people want AR-15's, and that people don't have the right to ask 'just because, 2A'.
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Actually it is unreasonable to ask "why do you need an AR15".

Are we really a society that believes that something needs to be banned, or needs to be regulated simply because a majority of people.. can't find a reason to own one.

Lets say that you got up and stated.. why do you need a car that can go over the posted speed limit? and therefore you called for a ban on cars that could go over the speed limit.

Do you think your suggestion would be met with contempt? Would YOU respect that person;s position and think they had a valid position?
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

MovingPictures said:
The SCOTUS has also ruled that gun control does not necessarily infringe on the 2A, so you really shouldn't go there.
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Actually that's when the state can show a compelling state interest for doing so.. just like he said.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Aristaeus said:
Exactly, and yet when I make vials of anthrax, I have the feds on my case. If I want to walk around in public carrying vials of anthrax, I'm not harming anyone. Anthrax doesn't kill people, people do.
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Actually anthrax does kill people.

Anthrax is inherently dangerous. A firearm is not.

Anthrax can kill (actual the toxins it produces do the killing) without human action. A firearm cannot.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

MovingPictures said:
Why? You just did it yourself. You completely dismissed a "liberty" you disagreed with, citing absolutely no grounds for doing so.
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so tell us what legitimate use anthrax has in the hands of a non-medical researcher
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

jaeger19 said:
Actually anthrax does kill people.

Anthrax is inherently dangerous. A firearm is not.

Anthrax can kill (actual the toxins it produces do the killing) without human action. A firearm cannot.
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his argument is blatantly specious. He's trying to argue that anthrax=semi auto rifles.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

MovingPictures said:
It was how I used to identify my political lean on another forum for many years.

I've now changed my profile because I don't want to be affiliated with the libertarian movement anyways at this point (too conservative for me) and so you guys will stop derailing discussions to it.
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statist-collectivist would be more accurate based on the views you have expressed
 
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