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A new gun in my life

Casper said:
The first one I built came to around $450 total, including the Ruger Lower, the one I am working on now will run more But that is because it is going up from 5.56mm to .300AAC Blackout so good quality upper gear costs a bit more and I am going with a desert sand furniture which tends to run just a little more, including the Mags. Total cost should come in around what someone would pay for a no frills AR somewhere between $700 and $800. Will probably pick up a couple of lowers and stick them in the safe for future builds or making big bucks if a ban ever takes hold one day, investing is fun.
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I built an AR pistol chambered in 300 blackout. It malfunctioned and malfunctioned and malfunctioned. I finally took it to a gunshop and ol' boy swapped out the bolt and it hasn't missed a lick. I still haven't figured that one out.
 
Casper said:
You beat me to it, if you having trouble with a Mag go gets some good ones, never had one issue with my MagPul Mags and the Mini14 has only factory mags.
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I bought some aluminum mags from Brownells, with no tilt followers and they're crap. I was real disappointed.
 
GDViking said:
Thanks I am old school and have not fired an ar in years, they never were my favorite. But I appreciate the updated information.
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Surf around. Cheaper Than Dirt and Gun Mag Warehouse usually have them on sale.
 
Casper said:
Or cheaper if you build one yourself.

Do love how the hysteria and wanna ban AR's is actually driving even more sales. Stock up on 30 Rd Mags the same mag that sells for $12-14 now was going for almost $100 in the last ban, and I cannot even imagine what bump-stocks will go for if banned but it will be waaaay up there. Thing is even if there end up being no bans you can still sell them for what you paid and if there are bans you can make a killing, pun intended, a no lose investment is always great.
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Guns sell better if there is a perceived threat of additional gun regulations. Don't think that the gun lobby doesn't know this.
 
Phys251 said:
Guns sell better if there is a perceived threat of additional gun regulations. Don't think that the gun lobby doesn't know this.
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Personally, that's why I think the NRA should just pour a ton of dark money into Democratic Party PACs.

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Rucker61 said:
IF the gun industry was allowed to be sued for criminal using their firearms illegally, then you wouldn't have to worry about the 2nd Amendment as there wouldn't be a firearms industry.
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Odd, juries have been assigning percentages of liability to many other industries and somehow they survive your 'doom and gloom' scenario... :roll:

I envision FFLs who provided straw man weapons, failed to report multiple sales, homeowners who didn't store their weapons when away from the home in a manner to be determined by law. Mental Health providers who withheld critical information on troubled patients. Of course the firearm manufacturer would get at least some assigned liability.

But end the firearm industry??? :lamo

I do see the corporations collapsing and being reborn with every judgement... lawyers yanno... :peace
 
apdst said:
I built an AR pistol chambered in 300 blackout. It malfunctioned and malfunctioned and malfunctioned. I finally took it to a gunshop and ol' boy swapped out the bolt and it hasn't missed a lick. I still haven't figured that one out.
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Headspace, maybe?
 
Rucker61 said:
I'm a competitive 3 gun shooter, and an AR pistol with an arm brace is much more accurate than an handgun, even at close range. A shotgun at 10 feet or so offers no additional fudge factor, given that the shot spread will be barely above bore diameter. A .223 53 gr VMAX in a suppressed AR pistol/SBR has less over penetration than either buckshot or a 9mm JHP. If I go downstairs to protect the dog and lose that fight, who then protects my family? As I've mentioned, he and I have had that chat, he understands the odds and he's accepted that slight risk in exchange for a lifetime of kibble, walks, scraps, belly rubs and a good portion of our bed.
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I do love how the facts ahhh 'evolve'... an AR pistol isn't an AR Bushmaster like we were discussing... :roll:

If the distance is 10 feet then the 'no braced' pistol is as accurate without the added suppressor and other fantasy attachments (if you use a Vmax then you shouldn't compare that to a simple JHP... :doh )

Course if sound asleep and having to get to 125% the pistol is much faster to acquire, needs no brace or suppressor, and ready to fight.

Now in a practical example the dog you would sacrifice because you gave it some kibble would be a most excellent target indicator to home in on your bad guy... or is this now going to be a zombie motorcycle gang coming in from every window or door??? ;)

Still strap on the comp suppressed pistol- only calling it an AR (and you did that until you needed it to be an AR pistol) is bogus. Sit upstairs 'defending' your family. Whatever works for you... :peace
 
Fiddytree said:
Personally, that's why I think the NRA should just pour a ton of dark money into Democratic Party PACs.

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It would not surprise me if the NRA has not discussed this very thing.
 
notquiteright said:
Odd, juries have been assigning percentages of liability to many other industries and somehow they survive your 'doom and gloom' scenario... :roll:
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Do these industries have vocal minorities that want them completely shut down? There are plenty of GCAs who would love to shut down there entire firearms industry.

Your logic extends to allowing Ford and Seagrams to be sued because someone killed a family while DUI in an F-150. It doesn't make any sense to sue the firearms industry for the criminal use of their product. Defective product, sure. Selling guns to unauthorized buyers, you bet? Holding them liable because someone stole a gun from a legal owner, sold it to a criminal who sold it to another criminal who shot someone? Balderdash.

I envision FFLs who provided straw man weapons, failed to report multiple sales, homeowners who didn't store their weapons when away from the home in a manner to be determined by law. Mental Health providers who withheld critical information on troubled patients. Of course the firearm manufacturer would get at least some assigned liability.
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How is the firearms industry liable for any of these?
But end the firearm industry??? :lamo

I do see the corporations collapsing and being reborn with every judgement... lawyers yanno... :peace
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I foresee thousands of nuisance lawsuits designed to make defending each and every one cost prohibitive.
 
Serenity said:
Boys and their toys :lol:

I hope you never have to use it in that situation too. What does something like that set you back Dan?
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ARs run between 475 or so up to a couple thousand

the main cost differences include

quality of the barrel

the hand guards on the barrel

the quality of the trigger.

match grade chrome lined barrels will really drive the price up

same with a Gieselle match trigger-they go for 275 while a standard mil-spec trigger group is less than 30 bucks
 
danarhea said:
You ask me what I am afraid of? Not a damn thing. LOL.
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What you should be afraid of is the guys who will dox you and show up at your house when you're not at home to steal your guns.

Putting a shopping list on the internet is not bright.
 
notquiteright said:
I envision FFLs who provided straw man weapons, failed to report multiple sales, homeowners who didn't store their weapons when away from the home in a manner to be determined by law. Mental Health providers who withheld critical information on troubled patients. Of course the firearm manufacturer would get at least some assigned liability.
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Having just got back into the sport, I've had to play "catch up". This has involved me making multiple purchases of multiple firearms. Why should I be reported?
 
notquiteright said:
I do love how the facts ahhh 'evolve'... an AR pistol isn't an AR Bushmaster like we were discussing... :roll:
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https://www.bushmaster.com/firearms/pistols/squaredrop-pistol

If the distance is 10 feet then the 'no braced' pistol is as accurate without the added suppressor and other fantasy attachments (if you use a Vmax then you shouldn't compare that to a simple JHP... :doh )
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The suppressor is to save my hearing firing a gun inside a structure. Other attachments would include a 1x optic and a flashlight. Handguns typically use JHP for self defense rounds. It's a apt comparison.

Course if sound asleep and having to get to 125% the pistol is much faster to acquire, needs no brace or suppressor, and ready to fight.
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Now in a practical example the dog you would sacrifice because you gave it some kibble would be a most excellent target indicator to home in on your bad guy... or is this now going to be a zombie motorcycle gang coming in from every window or door??? ;)

Still strap on the comp suppressed pistol- only calling it an AR (and you did that until you needed it to be an AR pistol) is bogus. Sit upstairs 'defending' your family. Whatever works for you... :peace
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It's an AR pistol because the tax stamp for the SBR isn't back yet. Practically, there's no difference as the ATF has ruled that some pistol braces can be shouldered without violating NFA 1934. An SBR with a 10.5" barrel plus suppressor is about the same overall length as a standard AR-15.
 
ChezC3 said:
Having just got back into the sport, I've had to play "catch up". This has involved me making multiple purchases of multiple firearms. Why should I be reported?
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Yeup, I went through that phase, multiple purchases are inevitable, and firearms are not cheap, especially when buy higher quality firearms. No you should not be reported, heck reported for what buying multiple tools?
 
Rucker61 said:
https://www.bushmaster.com/firearms/pistols/squaredrop-pistol



The suppressor is to save my hearing firing a gun inside a structure. Other attachments would include a 1x optic and a flashlight. Handguns typically use JHP for self defense rounds. It's a apt comparison.



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It's an AR pistol because the tax stamp for the SBR isn't back yet. Practically, there's no difference as the ATF has ruled that some pistol braces can be shouldered without violating NFA 1934. An SBR with a 10.5" barrel plus suppressor is about the same overall length as a standard AR-15.
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Here Ya go, Cool Beans:
https://www.yrsinc.com/en/micro-roni
 
Casper said:
Yeup, I went through that phase, multiple purchases are inevitable, and firearms are not cheap, especially when buy higher quality firearms. No you should not be reported, heck reported for what buying multiple tools?
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"The Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968 requires federal firearms licensees (FFLs) to report multiple sales or other dispositions of handguns to the same purchaser [18 U.S.C. § 923(g)(3)]. The sale or disposition of two or more handguns must be reported if they occur at the same time, or within five consecutive business days of each other."

https://www.atf.gov/resource-center...firearms-sales-or-other-disposition-reporting
 
GDViking said:
Yah anyone with the money to invest should have bought stock in ar manufacturers.

Personally I wouldn't bother with the thirty round mag, they tend to feed unevenly and cause jams.

As for home security a pump action shotgun works better. Nothing else In the world strikes fear in an intruder like the sound of an 870 action being cycled. No other sound like it...
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what brand mags are you using. Lancers are the best along with Troys. Magpuls are OK all work well
 
TurtleDude said:
what brand mags are you using. Lancers are the best along with Troys. Magpuls are OK all work well
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I've always been one to buy factory mags for all my firearms.

Can you provide a case where aftermarket are better? I'm not speaking on price, but quality.
 
Phys251 said:
It would not surprise me if the NRA has not discussed this very thing.
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Republicans are good for gun rights, dreadful for sales.

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ChezC3 said:
I've always been one to buy factory mags for all my firearms.

Can you provide a case where aftermarket are better? I'm not speaking on price, but quality.
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what are the factory mags for ARs?
 
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