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OlNate said:
Spud...homie.... 3 kids have died worldwide - that's in the ENTIRE world - from choking on kinder eggs. Ever. Not suggesting guns should be banned, but your stats are a little fishy...you must be talking about all choking in general?
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Why would you read his statement as anything other than a statement on choking in general?
 
Rucker61 said:
Why would you read his statement as anything other than a statement on choking in general?
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Because it was presented as a rationale as to why Kinder eggs are banned in America, and comparing mass shooting deaths to choking deaths. Not that that's what I did...just pointing out the false equivalency.

Also, I'm not anti-gun...rather, I'm pro-Kinder egg. They're delicious, and fun for kids. My little guy has had them since he was maybe 3 or so, and 0 choking so far! :)
 
Casper said:
We have a firearms heritage that no other Nation shares, and Americans are very Independent when compared to most other Nations. Going back to Australia, the Government said turn in your guns or live with insane draconian laws and the People did, in the USA very few would comply, it is a difference in mind set and will not be changing any time soon.
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It what way are Australia's laws insanely draconian?
 
Thorr said:
It what way are Australia's laws insanely draconian?
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They REQUIRE that the People depend on the Government for their safety would be the first thing that comes to mind.
 
Casper said:
They REQUIRE that the People depend on the Government for their safety would be the first thing that comes to mind.
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As does most of the developed countries in the world - hardly draconian?
 
Thorr said:
It what way are Australia's laws insanely draconian?
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The Index of Economic Freedom is an annual index and ranking created by The Heritage Foundation and The Wall Street Journal in 1995 to measure the degree of economic freedom in the world's nations. The current top 25 is, as follows:

1. Hong Kong
2. Singapore
3. New Zealand
4. Switzerland
5. Australia
6. Ireland
7. Estonia
8. United Kingdom
9. Canada
10. UAE
11. Iceland
12. Denmark
13. Taiwan
14. Luxenbourg
15. Sweden
16. Georgia
17. Netherlands
18. United States
19. Lithuania
20. Chile
21. Mauritius
22. Malaysia
23. Norway
24. Czech Republic
25. Germany
 
Thorr said:
As does most of the developed countries in the world - hardly draconian?
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Ummm, that does not change the fact that it is Forced and because other people do something does not make it right for everyone.
 
Thorr said:
The Index of Economic Freedom is an annual index and ranking created by The Heritage Foundation and The Wall Street Journal in 1995 to measure the degree of economic freedom in the world's nations. The current top 25 is, as follows:

1. Hong Kong
2. Singapore
3. New Zealand
4. Switzerland
5. Australia
6. Ireland
7. Estonia
8. United Kingdom
9. Canada
10. UAE
11. Iceland
12. Denmark
13. Taiwan
14. Luxenbourg
15. Sweden
16. Georgia
17. Netherlands
18. United States
19. Lithuania
20. Chile
21. Mauritius
22. Malaysia
23. Norway
24. Czech Republic
25. Germany
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Economic Freedom does not equate to Personal Freedom, you do know the difference don't ya?
 
Thorr said:
As does most of the developed countries in the world - hardly draconian?
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How well would that work in the US if self-defense with a firearm was made illegal and the ability to legally own firearms curtailed?
 
Casper said:
Economic Freedom does not equate to Personal Freedom, you do know the difference don't ya?
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Yes

The Human Freedom Index presents the state of human freedom in the world based on a broad measure that encompasses personal, civil, and economic freedom. Human freedom is a social concept that recognizes the dignity of individuals and is defined here as negative liberty or the absence of coercive constraint. Because freedom is inherently valuable and plays a role in human progress, it is worth measuring carefully. The Human Freedom Index is a resource that can help to more objectively observe relationships between freedom and other social and economic phenomena, as well as the ways in which the various dimensions of freedom interact with one another.

The top 10 jurisdictions in order were Switzerland, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Ireland, Australia, Finland, Norway, Denmark, and, tied at 9th place, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom. Selected countries rank as follows: Canada (11), Sweden (13), Germany (16), the United States (17), Japan (27), South Korea (29), France (33), Italy (35), Chile (37), South Africa (68), Mexico (73), Indonesia (78), Turkey (84), Kenya (89), Malaysia (97), India (102), United Arab Emirates (116), Russia (126), China (130), Nigeria (133), Pakistan (141), Zimbabwe (146), Saudi Arabia (149), Iran (154), Egypt (155), Venezuela (158), and Syria (159).
 
Rucker61 said:
How well would that work in the US if self-defense with a firearm was made illegal and the ability to legally own firearms curtailed?
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As well as any other country that has strict gun control!
 
Casper said:
Ummm, that does not change the fact that it is Forced and because other people do something does not make it right for everyone.
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I agree, far better to learn from experience. The experience from other countries is that gun control measures do work and that the global trend is for tighter gun control, not less. Furthermore, you don't see anyone else outside the US protesting or demanding less gun control, claiming an imposition on their rights or that they are concerned that they cannot defend themselves? Don't you find that strange? Surely any criminal elements in any country have the means to obtain firearms if they wish and target soft countries like the UK or Australia? Why is it they don't?
 
Thorr said:
I agree, far better to learn from experience. The experience from other countries is that gun control measures do work and that the global trend is for tighter gun control, not less. Furthermore, you don't see anyone else outside the US protesting or demanding less gun control, claiming an imposition on their rights or that they are concerned that they cannot defend themselves? Don't you find that strange? Surely any criminal elements in any country have the means to obtain firearms if they wish and target soft countries like the UK or Australia? Why is it they don't?
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Why just Australia and the UK? Criminal elements in France, Turkey and Russia accessed firearms and targeted soft targets with them. And yes, there are vocal minorities in both the UK and Australia who protest the draconian measures imposed by those governments.

Neither of the NFAs in the UK or Australia would be Constitutional in the US, so I really don't know why you keep comparing those countries to the US.
 
No, its not constitutionality protected. It is the right of the ARMED FORCES to bear arms to protect the people under the constitution, not for the people to take matters into their own hands by purchasing guns. Buying guns may be legal, but it is not a constitutional right.
 
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