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Refuting the Lies of Gun-Haters

Captain Adverse said:
One number not mentioned is the number of mass shootings that occur like that recent school shooting.

According to this article, 96 since 1982. That's 96 in 36 years.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/

However "horrendous," the number is a fraction of a fraction of the number of all gun deaths in each year.

Meanwhile there are tens to hundreds of millions of Americans who own guns legally and do no wrong.
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Mother Jones used a ridiculous definition of "mass shooting."

They call a shooting where THREE people were injured a mass shooting.

Obviously devious and misleading.

Instead of 96 in 36 years it's more like 30 in 36 years......less than one per year.

That's the way the dishonest Liberal Media works.........dishonestly.
 
Maccabee said:
And it doesn't bring out the gun haters? I'm willing to bet the first people to jump on this on this forum are gun controllers. I'm also willing to bet that the majority of the threads made after this shooting were writen by gun controllers.
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Correct.

All us normal people do is respond to their rabid attacks.

Somebody's got to do it.

:)
 
bluesmoke said:
Your stats are so poorly organized, and without supporting reference, as to defy a reasonable post. Nonetheless, I'll give you one quick fact to refute your "stats":

According to the FBI, in 2015, there were 15,656 murders. Whatever your 5,100 "annually" is derived from, maybe over the last 100 years, your figures are just not credible. Except, the figure I gave is from the FBI, which has been totally discredited by Trump, who knows more than the generals. And, while your post claims to have the stats to prove "lies of gun haters", your false stats are not lies in and of themselves, are they.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/latest-crime-statistics-released
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The stats in the OP are correct and correlate with current year projections.
 
calamity said:
For one he's another Bone Spur Warrior just like the cowardly moron who we call president.
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Bereft of healthy arguments, they quickly double down on their ad hom attacks. They got nothing else.

:D
 
Vox said:
Bereft of healthy arguments, they quickly double down on their ad hom attacks. They got nothing else.

:D
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When people look to Ted Nugent and Donald Trump as their heroes, we know they are lost.
 
Vox said:
Ummmmm, no.......the website post to which you refer dated the information June 22, 2016.

It's all accurate and you should ponder it. You may change some, at least, of your prejudices.
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I stand corrected on that.

The other source however is quite accurate.
 
calamity said:
When people look to Ted Nugent and Donald Trump as their heroes, we know they are lost.
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And again, ad homs rather than intelligent discussion.

I love it when they show their true colors.

:D
 
danielpalos said:
the law of large numbers claims more guns equals more crime; why do gun lovers claim the opposite?
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Oh, I don't know.......how about because the law of large numbers doesn't apply and guns often stop crimes and save lives?

:)
 
danielpalos said:
dude, you got a federalist involved now.

We have a Second Amendment. Why do we have Any security problems in Any of our States, right wingers.
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Oh, I don't know........how about because the Oligarchs and their courts and their brainwashed gun-haters have infringed on that Second Amendment?

:)
 
Vox said:
Special relentless self defense?

That works many times a day.
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It usually requires a Judge to declare a civil situation, beyond the control of civil authorities. That, is when it becomes a matter for the commander in chief of the State militia.
 
Vox said:
And again, ad homs rather than intelligent discussion.

I love it when they show their true colors.

:D
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Yes, Far Right Conservatives have indeed shown us their true colors.
 
calamity said:
Yes, Far Right Conservatives have indeed shown us their true colors.
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Yes, red, white and blue while your color is just plain yellow........color of the traitor.

Come on.........seriously? You have no intelligent argument in you whatsoever????!!!!????
 
I guess not.
 
danielpalos said:
the law of large numbers claims more guns equals more crime; why do gun lovers claim the opposite?
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Becuase it's true. First off we have more gun than any other country and yet if "more guns ewuals more crime is true" we should be number one on crime just by that fact alone. Second, gun sales have increased while crime has decreased. Again disproving the notion of more guns, more crime.
 
Vox said:
The stats in the OP are correct and correlate with current year projections.
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Are you serious or just trolling? If serious, show me the supporting data and reference, as did I, that support your "5,100 annual murders" contention vs. the actual 15,656 nationwide murders in 2015, as given by the FBI. Explain yourself.
 
Maccabee said:
Becuase it's true. First off we have more gun than any other country and yet if "more guns ewuals more crime is true" we should be number one on crime just by that fact alone. Second, gun sales have increased while crime has decreased. Again disproving the notion of more guns, more crime.
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You lock up more of your people than anyone else. gun sales increase while gun ownership drops. why are some gun people very paranoid?
 
bluesmoke said:
Are you serious or just trolling? If serious, show me the supporting data and reference, as did I, that support your "5,100 annual murders" contention vs. the actual 15,656 nationwide murders in 2015, as given by the FBI. Explain yourself.
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It's not my article, but.......

I don't see any truth to your claim that the article referenced 5100 annual murders.

The discussion was about "gun deaths," not homicides.
 
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