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Trump Made it Easier for Crazies to Own Guns

"... The rule being rammed through in this case was enacted under the authority of the Brady Bill, specifically under 18 U.S.C. §922(g), which states that “It shall be unlawful for any person…who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution” to own a firearm.

... Typically, being “adjudicated as a mental defective” requires, you know, adjudication.

... The rulemakers at the Social Security Administration thought otherwise. In a rule promulgated on December 19, 2016, they determined that “adjudicated as a mental defective” also meant anyone who successfully filed a disability claim for mental health reasons and requested that someone else be appointed to help manage their disability payments.

... The SSA rule was overboard and underprotective of our constitutional rights. Congress listened to the people’s complaints and repealed it. This was not a dark conspiracy: it was the system working."

No, Trump Didn't Make It Easier For Mentally Ill People To Buy Guns

This rule was born after Trump was elected president, but before he took office.
I doubt it even lived long enough to be "entered into the law books".
 
Barnacle said:
"... The rule being rammed through in this case was enacted under the authority of the Brady Bill, specifically under 18 U.S.C. §922(g), which states that “It shall be unlawful for any person…who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution” to own a firearm.

... Typically, being “adjudicated as a mental defective” requires, you know, adjudication.

... The rulemakers at the Social Security Administration thought otherwise. In a rule promulgated on December 19, 2016, they determined that “adjudicated as a mental defective” also meant anyone who successfully filed a disability claim for mental health reasons and requested that someone else be appointed to help manage their disability payments.

... The SSA rule was overboard and underprotective of our constitutional rights. Congress listened to the people’s complaints and repealed it. This was not a dark conspiracy: it was the system working."

No, Trump Didn't Make It Easier For Mentally Ill People To Buy Guns

This rule was born after Trump was elected president, but before he took office.
I doubt it even lived long enough to be "entered into the law books".
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He still overturned the rule, thereby making it easier for crazy people to get guns.
 
Barnacle said:
"... The rule being rammed through in this case was enacted under the authority of the Brady Bill, specifically under 18 U.S.C. §922(g), which states that “It shall be unlawful for any person…who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution” to own a firearm.

... Typically, being “adjudicated as a mental defective” requires, you know, adjudication.

... The rulemakers at the Social Security Administration thought otherwise. In a rule promulgated on December 19, 2016, they determined that “adjudicated as a mental defective” also meant anyone who successfully filed a disability claim for mental health reasons and requested that someone else be appointed to help manage their disability payments.

... The SSA rule was overboard and underprotective of our constitutional rights. Congress listened to the people’s complaints and repealed it. This was not a dark conspiracy: it was the system working."

No, Trump Didn't Make It Easier For Mentally Ill People To Buy Guns

This rule was born after Trump was elected president, but before he took office.
I doubt it even lived long enough to be "entered into the law books".
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The VA tried that on me, but I passed the competency test AFTER I stopped taking one of my meds. Wife said she noticed immediately that upon taking that medication I was unsafe to be left alone. Quick quiz, all readers recite the alphabet backwards. I had no idea I could do that...
 
calamity said:
No. I do not care what the ACLU says about this. Crazy people should not have a gun. Period. And, I'd rather error on the side of caution.
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you probably don't believe in innocent until proven guilty, either
 
calamity said:
So, once again, gun zealots prove they don't really care about anything but their guns.
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you're proving that all you want to do is whine about Trump
 
calamity said:
Fact is that Trump made it easier or crazies to own guns. That is indisputable.
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fact, calling people who have not been adjudicated mentally incompetent "crazies" is akin to calling people who have not been convicted of a felony, "Felons"
 
TurtleDude said:
fact, calling people who have not been adjudicated mentally incompetent "crazies" is akin to calling people who have not been convicted of a felony, "Felons"
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Nowhere near all crazy people have been before a judge. In fact, I doubt 10% of the people you and I would certainly call crazy have ever been inside a courtroom.

Tell me. Do you believe Cruz the school shooter is crazy? Not legally insane, just crazy.
 
TurtleDude said:
you probably don't believe in innocent until proven guilty, either
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In hindsight, given what you know right now, would you be in favor of Cruz having his guns taken away before Feb 14, 2018?
 
calamity said:
In hindsight, given what you know right now, would you be in favor of Cruz having his guns taken away before Feb 14, 2018?
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I believe in due process of law. IN this case it appears law enforcement failed but I don't believe in jailing someone because the cops and the prosecutors failed to gain a conviction either
 
calamity said:
Remember this?

Apparently even Trump knows that this was a mistake. Hence, the WH refusal to release a photo of the signing.
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Are you aware that the law wouldn't have applied to anyone that has carried out the various mass shootings and only served to target a particular group of people? In other words, rights would've been infringed and not a single mass shooting would have been stopped.
 
TurtleDude said:
I believe in due process of law. IN this case it appears law enforcement failed but I don't believe in jailing someone because the cops and the prosecutors failed to gain a conviction either
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Where did I say we jail crazy people? That's the Right Wing solution. I just want crazy people stripped of their guns.
 
Fishking said:
Are you aware that the law wouldn't have applied to anyone that has carried out the various mass shootings and only served to target a particular group of people? In other words, rights would've been infringed and not a single mass shooting would have been stopped.
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Someone legally declared incompetent should not have a gun. Neither should someone on the no fly list.

Opposing those common sense measures is why the NRA nuts are called gun zealots.
 
calamity said:
Where did I say we jail crazy people? That's the Right Wing solution. I just want crazy people stripped of their guns.
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so you believe on stripping people of their constitutional rights based on less than due process of law. Its like saying because you have been arrested, but not ever convicted, you should lose your rights. or worse yet, if someone claims you are crazy you lose your rights before you even have any right to be heard.
 
calamity said:
Someone legally declared incompetent should not have a gun. Neither should someone on the no fly list.

Opposing those common sense measures is why the NRA nuts are called gun zealots.
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How does someone get on the no fly list? does that meet constitutional safeguards of due process -substantive or procedural? does it meet substantive and procedural concepts of equal protection of the law? No it doesnt'.
 
Fishking said:
Are you aware that the law wouldn't have applied to anyone that has carried out the various mass shootings and only served to target a particular group of people? In other words, rights would've been infringed and not a single mass shooting would have been stopped.
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This thread is yet another frantic rant about Trump that has no relevance to any rational arguments.
 
TurtleDude said:
so you believe on stripping people of their constitutional rights based on less than due process of law. Its like saying because you have been arrested, but not ever convicted, you should lose your rights. or worse yet, if someone claims you are crazy you lose your rights before you even have any right to be heard.
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No, just their guns.
 
TurtleDude said:
come and get them.
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Typical gun zealot's fantasy. Isn't it?

And people wonder why the sane want to get guns out of the hands of the crazies.
 
calamity said:
Typical gun zealot's fantasy. Isn't it?

And people wonder why the sane want to get guns out of the hands of the crazies.
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your frantic arguments suggest you would brand anyone who voted for Trump " a crazy"

lets keep the concepts of due process and the right to be heard intact rather than throw them away because you are upset Trump won the election
 
TurtleDude said:
your frantic arguments suggest you would brand anyone who voted for Trump " a crazy"

lets keep the concepts of due process and the right to be heard intact rather than throw them away because you are upset Trump won the election
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Actually voting for Trump or not is a good sanity test.
 
calamity said:
Actually voting for Trump or not is a good sanity test.
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voting for someone who had no chance of winning might be seen as quixotic
 
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