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Myth of the Good Guy With a Gun

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So if something doesn’t always work then that means it never works? That is like me showing examples of good guys with guns stopping bad guys with guns and proclaiming that is the only way it can work.

Too many dumbass “arguments” from both sides on this issue.
 
JackA said:
In this case, four useless good guys. Or, an example of Trump’s solution in inaction.
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The truth of the "Good guy with a Gun" meme is proven countless times each day by cops and armed citizens.

As much as you seem to wish it were......it is not in question.
 
Damn... might as well get rid of seat belts since not every person survives a car crash.
 
Blue lives matter
 
EMNofSeattle said:
That’s right, Hinckley successfully killed 17 people despite all of the armed security surrounding Reagan
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6 guys with guns, in a 20 square foot area.

Yeah, how did that work out?
 
beefheart said:
Jim Brady would disagree.
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That he survived the shooting or that the shooter was apprehended? Both are factual statements, not matters of opinion, so it doesn’t matter who disagrees
 
EMNofSeattle said:
That he survived the shooting or that the shooter was apprehended? Both are factual statements, not matters of opinion, so it doesn’t matter who disagrees
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6 highly trained secret service guys with guns.

And all those good guys, in a tiny area couldn't stop Hinkley from shooting it up, could they?
 
beefheart said:
6 highly trained secret service guys with guns.

And all those good guys, in a tiny area couldn't stop Hinkley from shooting it up, could they?
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They stopped all deaths from occurring and took the shooter into custody. 0 dead, including the suspect who got the mental health treatment he desperately needed and is now able to live in society, exactly what is your point? If every school shooting ended that way it wouldn’t be something we even talk about
 
EMNofSeattle said:
They stopped all deaths from occurring and took the shooter into custody. 0 dead, including the suspect who got the mental health treatment he desperately needed and is now able to live in society, exactly what is your point? If every school shooting ended that way it wouldn’t be something we even talk about
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It was the most heavily guarded man in America.

Fail
 
beefheart said:
It was the most heavily guarded man in America.

Fail
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And he survived! Success!

He was in fact the first president to survive Tecumsehs curse!
 
beefheart said:
6 highly trained secret service guys with guns.

And all those good guys, in a tiny area couldn't stop Hinkley from shooting it up, could they?
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Because he fired all his rounds in less than three seconds and was taken down at that point. The reaction time was actually excellent.

You are using an embarrassingly and obviously irrelevant example.
 
Vox said:
Because he fired all his rounds in less than three seconds and was taken down at that point. The reaction time was actually excellent.

You are using an embarrassingly and obviously irrelevant example.
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But they didn't use their guns to save Reagan. They tackled Hinkley. So, the guns didn't help.

I doubt a motivated shooter would care about armed guards. They would probably plan to shoot the guards first. If he has a rifle and 4 guards have hand guns, my money is on the guy witth the rifle.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
So if something doesn’t always work then that means it never works? That is like me showing examples of good guys with guns stopping bad guys with guns and proclaiming that is the only way it can work.

Too many dumbass “arguments” from both sides on this issue.
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Speaking of a dumbass argument. I see you also like the dumb ass seat belts argument.

Reliability is fundamental to the good guy with a gun solution.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
They stopped all deaths from occurring and took the shooter into custody. 0 dead, including the suspect who got the mental health treatment he desperately needed and is now able to live in society, exactly what is your point? If every school shooting ended that way it wouldn’t be something we even talk about
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1, Do you support the idea of the mad not been allowed to get guns and having their guns taken away from them?

2, Do you support the idea of paying more in tax so that the mad can get treatment they need even though they don't have insurance because they do not pay for it?
 
beefheart said:
6 highly trained secret service guys with guns.

And all those good guys, in a tiny area couldn't stop Hinkley from shooting it up, could they?
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So, based upon that particular event, we should discount and ignore all the times when a firearm did save a live or prevent a crime?

I think not.
 
Tim the plumber said:
1, Do you support the idea of the mad not been allowed to get guns and having their guns taken away from them?

2, Do you support the idea of paying more in tax so that the mad can get treatment they need even though they don't have insurance because they do not pay for it?
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1) if they’ve been adjudicated by a fair process yes I support that

2) No because the government wastes so much money on things they have no constitutional basis being in that raising taxes is a giant no, the size of the government should be reduced and the savings put in mental
Health
 
JackA said:
In this case, four useless good guys. Or, an example of Trump’s solution in inaction.


https://boingboing.net/2018/02/23/last-responders.html
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The key to understanding that you're wrong lies in the emboldened words of your post, "in this case." That's an accurate way to explain that having an armed guy in the vicinity failed in this incident, but, it has succeed in so many more cases.

Remember the armed volunteer security gal at the Church in Colorado Springs a few years back? She successfully worked her way to the front of the church when the shooter starting firing -- and she shot him dead. Perhaps dozens of lives were saved.

Then there was the old guy in the internet cafe in Florida who pulled his gun and ran off a bunch of thugs who'd pulled weapons on the patrons. Did he save two lives? Five lives? That's the thing, we can only count fatalities -- we never really know the number of lives that were saved.

The following video is by a guy who shot a robber who came into a convenience store. This guy -- named Mike -- is quite a talker, and he's a great guy -- but, was also a "good guy with a gun" once in a store in Kansas.

If you have the time, watch the video so you know what a good guy with a gun looks like. Mike often gets a bit off-topic in his story, but every word he says is entertaining.

Here's proof that good guys with guns do exist:

 
HowardBThiname said:
The key to understanding that you're wrong lies in the emboldened words of your post, "in this case." That's an accurate way to explain that having an armed guy in the vicinity failed in this incident, but, it has succeed in so many more cases.

Remember the armed volunteer security gal at the Church in Colorado Springs a few years back? She successfully worked her way to the front of the church when the shooter starting firing -- and she shot him dead. Perhaps dozens of lives were saved.

Then there was the old guy in the internet cafe in Florida who pulled his gun and ran off a bunch of thugs who'd pulled weapons on the patrons. Did he save two lives? Five lives? That's the thing, we can only count fatalities -- we never really know the number of lives that were saved.

The following video is by a guy who shot a robber who came into a convenience store. This guy -- named Mike -- is quite a talker, and he's a great guy -- but, was also a "good guy with a gun" once in a store in Kansas.

If you have the time, watch the video so you know what a good guy with a gun looks like. Mike often gets a bit off-topic in his story, but every word he says is entertaining.

Here's proof that good guys with guns do exist:

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I didn't suggest they don't exist. I'm suggesting they are not a "solution", as is being claimed. Even as a security measure there is reason to question the wisdom of arming teachers or bringing guns into schools in other ways. But the argument is being advanced that this will solve the problem so that banning assault weapons or drastically curbing them is not necessary. As Parkland shows us, it is necessary.
 
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