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The NRA Leadership is Unhinged Paranoids

shagg said:
You seem to be lost. This is a discussion on the NRA leadership and some of the stupid **** they say.

If you want to start a thread on Democratic leadership and the stupid **** they say, I'd probably agree with a lot of what you have to say.

The NRA has become just another point where commercial enterprise meets politics and a lot of money gets tossed around to herd the sheep.
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Actually I include the stupid **** you are saying, right here right now, in with theirs, so I can basically kill two birds without an AR 15, yano?
 
Casper said:
What did they say that was incorrect? Paranoid, ummm, me thinks they and every believer in the 2nd A should be very concerned with a movement to remove their Rights, it is odd that anyone one think Rights are even up for debate.
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half the gun banners/incrementalists claim no one wants to take guns away and the other half call gun owners "nutters", the NRA "child killers" or "terrorists" and scream for all sorts of bans
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
You guys are so good at solving everybody eleses problems, why not use your solutions to help the flagging democratic party whose numbers are down so significantly after Obama ran all the good democrats off and bankrupted, in so many ways, the party?

Oh yeah, that's what originally led to the problems.
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The seats flipped by the Dems in recent special elections tell a far far different story.
 
Casper said:
What did they say that was incorrect? Paranoid, ummm, me thinks they and every believer in the 2nd A should be very concerned with a movement to remove their Rights, it is odd that anyone one think Rights are even up for debate.
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Thought it was obvious in the first post but let's see...
Claiming that:
  1. reasonable gun legislation is a socialist plot to “eradicate all individual freedoms.”
  2. According to LaPierre, those advocating gun controls aren't motivated by a desire to curb the senseless killing going on in America, it's driven by a 'hate for freedom.'
  3. The Justice Dept is persecuting pro-gun political enemies.
  4. The FBI is responsible for the FL massacre.
All of which are false.
 
The NRA would be much better off firing LaPierre and bringing in Colion Noir as the spokesperson.
 
MTAtech said:
When you don't want to do something, it's easy to invent excuses instead of find solutions. As post# 19 shows, the actions that you don't like, are effective at slowing the carnage.
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your claims are bogus. You cannot fathom the fact that gun control is not crime control. You cannot imagine any solution that doesn't involve harassing honest gun owners because you hate the gun culture and the way most of its members vote more than you hate the armed criminals who create "facts" you need to bash honest gun owners.
 
Rucker61 said:
The NRA would be much better off firing LaPierre and bringing in Colion Noir as the spokesperson.
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or Jessie Duff or Lena Miculeck or someone with a trial attorney background.
 
MTAtech said:
Thought it was obvious in the first post but let's see...
Claiming that:
  1. reasonable gun legislation is a socialist plot to “eradicate all individual freedoms.”
  2. According to LaPierre, those advocating gun controls aren't motivated by a desire to curb the senseless killing going on in America, it's driven by a 'hate for freedom.'
  3. The Justice Dept is persecuting pro-gun political enemies.
  4. The FBI is responsible for the FL massacre.
All of which are false.
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your idea of "reasonable" is designed to harass honest gun owners.
 
MTAtech said:
Thread title: Should be "Are" Unhinged Paranoids

From: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/22/...lights&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront


LaPierre also claimed:


So, according to LaPierre, those advocating gun controls aren't motivated by a desire to curb the senseless killing going on in America, it's driven by a 'hate for freedom.'

[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE]What is LaPierre even talking about? Did he just wake up from the McCarthy era?
Yeah, because having a database is SOOO intrusive.

Dana Loesch, an N.R.A. spokeswoman, was no less unhinged, as she blamed James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director fired by President Trump amid a dispute over the bureau’s investigation of possible ties between the Trump campaign and Russians, for indirectly causing the Parkland massacre.
Somehow Comey, who hasn't been the FBI Director for nearly a year, is responsible for the Florida school shooting?

These NRA leaders are pedaling a paranoid conspiracy theory that any form of measures to reduce firearm violence is a conspiracy with Democrats, the FBI, and socialists who "hate freedom," not just doing what other countries, that have every bit as much freedom as the U.S. does to limit gun deaths. The NRA leaders have aren't even making lucid argument.
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What do you think about waiting periods or parental permission before having an abortion?
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Actually I include the stupid **** you are saying, right here right now, in with theirs, so I can basically kill two birds without an AR 15, yano?
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Sure, sure. Keep paying your membership fee, swallow whatever they feed you, and vote the way they tell you. Unquestioning faith in the NRA will undoubtedly keep them honest.
 
Y’all liberals just seam to bitch about everything,
Shut up bitching and come up with a real plan.
1- if you want to change legal purchase age to 21 then are you going to tell our great military that they can go put their life on the line for us but can’t have a rifle because their not old enough, does that make any sense
2- ban scary looking rifles, pistols would be better anyway
3- ban all guns, you can forget this one.
4- put guards in schools, lock doors, make kids use a pass card to get in like you have to do on a cruise ship,

Let’s discuss real solutions


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MrShangles said:
Y’all liberals just seam to bitch about everything,
Shut up bitching and come up with a real plan.
1- if you want to change legal purchase age to 21 then are you going to tell our great military that they can go put their life on the line for us but can’t have a rifle because their not old enough, does that make any sense
2- ban scary looking rifles, pistols would be better anyway
3- ban all guns, you can forget this one.
4- put guards in schools, lock doors, make kids use a pass card to get in like you have to do on a cruise ship,

Let’s discuss real solutions
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We should stop bitching when kids get slaughtered in schools on a frequent basis? Forgive me for being so *sensitive.* We've been doing it your, and the NRA's way, for many decades and it hasn't worked. Using the SOLUTIONS that have been successful in other developed countries ARE the real solutions.
 
MTAtech said:
We should stop bitching when kids get slaughtered in schools on a frequent basis? Forgive me for being so *sensitive.* We've been doing it your, and the NRA's way, for many decades and it hasn't worked. Using the SOLUTIONS that have been successful in other developed countries ARE the real solutions.
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Since 1998, there have been three mass shootings where a shooter used an "assault weapon" in a K-12 school. Three, in 20 years. Columbine, Sandy Hook, Florida. A total of 39 fatalities.

Solutions in other countries would have to fit the Constitutional protections in this country. Those solutions didn't stop the shooter in Norway, or those in France, or Germany. The shooter killed more school age victims with a gun that's never been on the AWB ban list in an hour than we've lost in school mass shootings in 20 years.
 
MTAtech said:
We should stop bitching when kids get slaughtered in schools on a frequent basis? Forgive me for being so *sensitive.* We've been doing it your, and the NRA's way, for many decades and it hasn't worked. Using the SOLUTIONS that have been successful in other developed countries ARE the real solutions.
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On topic of the thread, you never answered my question:

Harshaw said:
What do you think about waiting periods or parental permission before having an abortion?
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MTAtech said:
We should stop bitching when kids get slaughtered in schools on a frequent basis? Forgive me for being so *sensitive.* We've been doing it your, and the NRA's way, for many decades and it hasn't worked. Using the SOLUTIONS that have been successful in other developed countries ARE the real solutions.
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Last time I checked we don’t live in another country, so like I said, stop bitching and let’s hear you’re idea of how to stop it.
1- corporal punishment back in schools
2- prayer back in school ( we are a Christian based country.)
3- stop giving slaps on the wrist for gun crimes.

What’s your idea. Take a deep breath of unicorn farts and give it your best shot!


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Rucker61 said:
Since 1998, there have been three mass shootings where a shooter used an "assault weapon" in a K-12 school. Three, in 20 years. Columbine, Sandy Hook, Florida. A total of 39 fatalities.

Solutions in other countries would have to fit the Constitutional protections in this country. Those solutions didn't stop the shooter in Norway, or those in France, or Germany. The shooter killed more school age victims with a gun that's never been on the AWB ban list in an hour than we've lost in school mass shootings in 20 years.
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The problem is not just the narrow set of "assault weapons in K-12 schools."

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Moreover, by pointing to Norway's attack as "evidence" what you are really saying is that unless a solution is 100% effective, it shouldn't be done at all. That's a position that we don't take with any other problem. We don't use that standard in medicine; in engineering and so forth. We have laws against drunk driving but people still drive drunk. By your logic, we should repeal the laws forbidding drunk driving.
 
MrShangles said:
Last time I checked we don’t live in another country, so like I said, stop bitching and let’s hear you’re idea of how to stop it.
1- corporal punishment back in schools
2- prayer back in school ( we are a Christian based country.)
3- stop giving slaps on the wrist for gun crimes.
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The notion that we have nothing to learn from other countries that have been successful is as nonsensical as it sounds.
 
MTAtech said:
The problem is not just the narrow set of "assault weapons in K-12 schools."

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Moreover, by pointing to Norway's attack as "evidence" what you are really saying is that unless a solution is 100% effective, it shouldn't be done at all. That's a position that we don't take with any other problem. We don't use that standard in medicine; in engineering and so forth. We have laws against drunk driving but people still drive drunk. By your logic, we should repeal the laws forbidding drunk driving.
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A 100% solution is absolutely required by the GCAs. If we were to ban and confiscate all "assault weapons", and another school shooting happened, there were be immediate calls for more gun bans.

Your list includes homicides committed with a single handgun and 10 round magazines at number 3. Your "solution" can't be expected to be effective at all until all of those are banned, too, unless any mass shooting with up to 32 dead is considered to be inside the "not an assault weapon" parameter limits. The VT shooter killed 30 in about 10 minutes. The Pulse shooter using an "assault weapon" killed 49 over the course of hours.

Norway lost about 20% of what we've lost in 20 years in two hours, with a firearm that's never been on the Democrat's ban list.
 
MTAtech said:
The notion that we have nothing to learn from other countries that have been successful is as nonsensical as it sounds.
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What countries should we learn from? France? Belgium? Russia? Turkey? They all have strong gun laws.
 
TurtleDude said:
nor are gun controllers trying to bring that to an end by constantly whining about the NRA mainly due to political reasons
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The NRA runs its mouth and people respond.17 dead people attract a lot of attention.And replies to the NRA.
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shrubnose said:
The NRA is not helping bring an end to the mass killing epidemic,I'll agree with that.They're promoting their own[[]agenda
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And that agenda extends much further than guns. They have become a mouthpiece for the Alt Right on all fronts. NRATV is nothing but infomercials for gun makers, and radical talk shows.

Other segments go a step further, portraying liberals as dangerous insurgents: activists who “openly call for the assassination of our president,” protesters who “set fire to buildings and attack people in the streets,” and “chaos creators who want to impose their will upon us, through their violence and lies.” NRATV’s imagery only adds to the fearmongering; a controversial ad that aired in April featured grainy black-and-white clips of torched buildings, trash cans lit on fire, and a Trump supporter beaten bloody, his face wrapped in bandages. Even the network’s motto echoes like a warning shot: “The truth is under fire.”

It’s a strategy sure to win supporters on the far right. Like Fox News, NRATV routinely parrots ultraconservative talking points, creating a familiar echo chamber for its viewers. Even after a young woman was killed at a rally of white supremacists in Charlottesville, hosts on the network continued to denounce the “violent left.” Grant Stinchfield, one of NRATV’s most strident voices, has called on police to round up Antifa members and teach them “what it’s truly like to live in a fascist community.
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https://newrepublic.com/article/145001/nra-new-scare-tactic-gun-lobby-remaking-itself-arm-alt-right
 
Rucker61 said:
A 100% solution is absolutely required by the GCAs. If we were to ban and confiscate all "assault weapons", and another school shooting happened, there were be immediate calls for more gun bans.

Your list includes homicides committed with a single handgun and 10 round magazines at number 3. Your "solution" can't be expected to be effective at all until all of those are banned, too, unless any mass shooting with up to 32 dead is considered to be inside the "not an assault weapon" parameter limits. The VT shooter killed 30 in about 10 minutes. The Pulse shooter using an "assault weapon" killed 49 over the course of hours.

Norway lost about 20% of what we've lost in 20 years in two hours, with a firearm that's never been on the Democrat's ban list.
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You didn't answer the question. Should we repeal the laws against drunk driving because drunk drivers still kill people? Or should we be happy we have reduced drunk driving events by making stricter laws?
 
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