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The revealing truth about gun supporters

Bucky

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I believe this latest gun shooting exposed the radical ideology of those in the NRA and the radical gun zealots.

These people live in some sort of alternate reality thinking we are still in the late 18th or early 19th century. They are dinosaurs the same way supporters of the Confederacy were.

First off, I find it disgusting and morbid why anyone would find it acceptable to attack grieving kids and family members who suffered tremendous loss. IMO it is akin to how blacks were treated 100 years ago. Secondly, it is incredibly stupid. You do realize these 15, 16, and 17 years old will be able to vote soon?

If you have noticed something, the NRA and gun zealots do actually provide solutions, however, every single solution supports gun manufacturers.

Stupid solutions: Let's arm the teachers:
* If these shooters are buying and using AR-15s, what good is a handgun going to do?
*Who is going to train these teachers? Are they going to wear kevlar vests?
*I can go and on and on however this solution is essentially saying our schools are so unsafe, we feel the need to arm teachers (imagine your 60-70-year-old first grade teachers with guns).

State/local solutions don't work without federal backing!

It is somewhat pointless to have strict gun laws in one city if the neighboring city has lenient gun laws. Imagine for example if half the states allowed for slavery and the other half abolished it. That just wouldn't work. If the minimum age to buy a long gun is 21 in Illinois yet you can buy those same guns in Indiana or Kentucky at age 18, those state and local laws won't have the same bite.

We need to blame the mentally ill people and bad guys!

Every country has mentally ill people and bad guys. Believe it or not, people in the United States are not more or less prone to commit a crime than the majority of other countries.

The children in the UK and France are watching the same violent movies/TV shows. They are listening to same violence music. Every school has bully's. This isn't some cultural shift. It's the guns!

The revealing truth about gun supporters and the NRA is this: They don't have the trust of the American people. They back gun manufacturers before everyday people. They are negligent and responsible for the mass shootings in this country. Blaming bad guys and the mentally ill for these killings would be like blaming smokers for getting lung cancer. Certainly, the cigarette companies have some culpability in the matter - that's why cigarettes have become highly regulated.

The NRA and gun zealots can continue to bash victims and kids. Go ahead. Those victims and kids will grow up and remember your hatred. They will vote you of office, dismantle your organization, and end you.

When those kids are 30-50, you gun zealots will be frail and bedridden unable to grab your guns. You will not be able to do a damn thing but watch old westerns and eat jello.
 
Yeah, when I'm old and frail and unable to grab my gun guess what....my kids will be able to. And I'll teach them that Rights are worth dying for. Because without Rights, you're just a slave. You can be a slave if you wish. I will not, and I'll make sure that my kids do not want to be either.
 
I believe two teachers gave their lives to shield students in FL. If they had guns the outcome would have been different. Yes, arm them.

Police stations are never attacked by these cowards, for obvious reasons.
 
Yeah, when I'm old and frail and unable to grab my gun guess what....my kids will be able to. And I'll teach them that Rights are worth dying for. Because without Rights, you're just a slave. You can be a slave if you wish. I will not, and I'll make sure that my kids do not want to be either.

Soooo...

Slaves were not considered citizens. They could not own property, vote, have a right to a trial, etc...

So not being able to buy an ar-15 all of a sudden, makes you a slave?
 
I believe two teachers gave their lives to shield students in FL. If they had guns the outcome would have been different. Yes, arm them.

Police stations are never attacked by these cowards, for obvious reasons.

Teachers teach to educate students. Now it is a good idea to train them to kill the same students they are trying to educate?

Deputy Scot Peterson, of the Broward County Sheriff’s Office, was armed and stationed on the school’s campus when a suspect identified by authorities as Nikolas Cruz opened fire with an AR-15 rifle, leaving 17 people dead and others wounded.

Peterson resigned Thursday after video surveillance showed he never entered the school, even though he "clearly" knew there was a shooting taking place, officials said. The revelation prompted widespread outrage.

Police officers guard home of deputy assigned to Florida HS who ?never went in? during shooting: report | Fox News

It is just a bad idea. If you have a police officer too cowardly to use his firearm, what makes you think a teacher would be able to a) use that firearm and b) use it effectively?

Arming teachers with anything but books and rulers is just plain crazy.
 
I believe this latest gun shooting exposed the radical ideology of those in the NRA and the radical gun zealots.

These people live in some sort of alternate reality thinking we are still in the late 18th or early 19th century. They are dinosaurs the same way supporters of the Confederacy were.

First off, I find it disgusting and morbid why anyone would find it acceptable to attack grieving kids and family members who suffered tremendous loss. IMO it is akin to how blacks were treated 100 years ago. Secondly, it is incredibly stupid. You do realize these 15, 16, and 17 years old will be able to vote soon?

If you have noticed something, the NRA and gun zealots do actually provide solutions, however, every single solution supports gun manufacturers.

Stupid solutions: Let's arm the teachers:
* If these shooters are buying and using AR-15s, what good is a handgun going to do?
*Who is going to train these teachers? Are they going to wear kevlar vests?
*I can go and on and on however this solution is essentially saying our schools are so unsafe, we feel the need to arm teachers (imagine your 60-70-year-old first grade teachers with guns).

State/local solutions don't work without federal backing!

It is somewhat pointless to have strict gun laws in one city if the neighboring city has lenient gun laws. Imagine for example if half the states allowed for slavery and the other half abolished it. That just wouldn't work. If the minimum age to buy a long gun is 21 in Illinois yet you can buy those same guns in Indiana or Kentucky at age 18, those state and local laws won't have the same bite.

We need to blame the mentally ill people and bad guys!

Every country has mentally ill people and bad guys. Believe it or not, people in the United States are not more or less prone to commit a crime than the majority of other countries.

The children in the UK and France are watching the same violent movies/TV shows. They are listening to same violence music. Every school has bully's. This isn't some cultural shift. It's the guns!

The revealing truth about gun supporters and the NRA is this: They don't have the trust of the American people. They back gun manufacturers before everyday people. They are negligent and responsible for the mass shootings in this country. Blaming bad guys and the mentally ill for these killings would be like blaming smokers for getting lung cancer. Certainly, the cigarette companies have some culpability in the matter - that's why cigarettes have become highly regulated.

The NRA and gun zealots can continue to bash victims and kids. Go ahead. Those victims and kids will grow up and remember your hatred. They will vote you of office, dismantle your organization, and end you.

When those kids are 30-50, you gun zealots will be frail and bedridden unable to grab your guns. You will not be able to do a damn thing but watch old westerns and eat jello.

Radical gun zealots. You just blew your entire spiel with that word.
 
Soooo...

Slaves were not considered citizens. They could not own property, vote, have a right to a trial, etc...

So not being able to buy an ar-15 all of a sudden, makes you a slave?

If you wish to be hyperbolic then so can I. Make a serious argument and I'll give a serious answer.
 
Teachers teach to educate students. Now it is a good idea to train them to kill the same students they are trying to educate?

I love how anti-gun nuts love to frame things. "train them to kill the same students they are trying to educate". Hyperbolic nonsense.
 
I believe two teachers gave their lives to shield students in FL. If they had guns the outcome would have been different. Yes, arm them.

Police stations are never attacked by these cowards, for obvious reasons.

You mean like the incident in Detroit ?

 
Soooo...

Slaves were not considered citizens. They could not own property, vote, have a right to a trial, etc...

So not being able to buy an ar-15 all of a sudden, makes you a slave?

Why is it that politicians will still be protected by these weapons but not you?
 
I believe this latest gun shooting exposed the radical ideology of those in the NRA and the radical gun zealots.

These people live in some sort of alternate reality thinking we are still in the late 18th or early 19th century. They are dinosaurs the same way supporters of the Confederacy were.

First off, I find it disgusting and morbid why anyone would find it acceptable to attack grieving kids and family members who suffered tremendous loss. IMO it is akin to how blacks were treated 100 years ago. Secondly, it is incredibly stupid. You do realize these 15, 16, and 17 years old will be able to vote soon?

If you have noticed something, the NRA and gun zealots do actually provide solutions, however, every single solution supports gun manufacturers.

Stupid solutions: Let's arm the teachers:
* If these shooters are buying and using AR-15s, what good is a handgun going to do?
*Who is going to train these teachers? Are they going to wear kevlar vests?
*I can go and on and on however this solution is essentially saying our schools are so unsafe, we feel the need to arm teachers (imagine your 60-70-year-old first grade teachers with guns).

State/local solutions don't work without federal backing!

It is somewhat pointless to have strict gun laws in one city if the neighboring city has lenient gun laws. Imagine for example if half the states allowed for slavery and the other half abolished it. That just wouldn't work. If the minimum age to buy a long gun is 21 in Illinois yet you can buy those same guns in Indiana or Kentucky at age 18, those state and local laws won't have the same bite.

We need to blame the mentally ill people and bad guys!

Every country has mentally ill people and bad guys. Believe it or not, people in the United States are not more or less prone to commit a crime than the majority of other countries.

The children in the UK and France are watching the same violent movies/TV shows. They are listening to same violence music. Every school has bully's. This isn't some cultural shift. It's the guns!

The revealing truth about gun supporters and the NRA is this: They don't have the trust of the American people. They back gun manufacturers before everyday people. They are negligent and responsible for the mass shootings in this country. Blaming bad guys and the mentally ill for these killings would be like blaming smokers for getting lung cancer. Certainly, the cigarette companies have some culpability in the matter - that's why cigarettes have become highly regulated.

The NRA and gun zealots can continue to bash victims and kids. Go ahead. Those victims and kids will grow up and remember your hatred. They will vote you of office, dismantle your organization, and end you.

When those kids are 30-50, you gun zealots will be frail and bedridden unable to grab your guns. You will not be able to do a damn thing but watch old westerns and eat jello.

Kill the NRA! Down with the NRA! Blame the NRA! Not the shooter! It isn’t the shooter who committed this act! It was the NRA! The NRA IS TO BLAME! Down with the NRA! We should NOT address our failing mental health care or the FACT that these shooters are known to be dangers to others! That would be foolish to look at this because other nations have free access to socialized medicine that allows for easier access to care over longer periods of time! It can’t be that! It is the NRA! And it has no bearing that the NRA IS A MAJOR REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGN DONOR! Kill the NRA!
 
Radical gun zealots. You just blew your entire spiel with that word.

Yep. They aren’t interested in compromise. They want outright bans on all firearms because the NRA donates money to republicans. Hopefully they put themselves on the front lines of the confiscation teams.
 
I believe this latest gun shooting exposed the radical ideology of those in the NRA and the radical gun zealots.

These people live in some sort of alternate reality thinking we are still in the late 18th or early 19th century. They are dinosaurs the same way supporters of the Confederacy were.

First off, I find it disgusting and morbid why anyone would find it acceptable to attack grieving kids and family members who suffered tremendous loss. IMO it is akin to how blacks were treated 100 years ago. Secondly, it is incredibly stupid. You do realize these 15, 16, and 17 years old will be able to vote soon?

If you have noticed something, the NRA and gun zealots do actually provide solutions, however, every single solution supports gun manufacturers.

Stupid solutions: Let's arm the teachers:
* If these shooters are buying and using AR-15s, what good is a handgun going to do?
*Who is going to train these teachers? Are they going to wear kevlar vests?
*I can go and on and on however this solution is essentially saying our schools are so unsafe, we feel the need to arm teachers (imagine your 60-70-year-old first grade teachers with guns).

State/local solutions don't work without federal backing!

It is somewhat pointless to have strict gun laws in one city if the neighboring city has lenient gun laws. Imagine for example if half the states allowed for slavery and the other half abolished it. That just wouldn't work. If the minimum age to buy a long gun is 21 in Illinois yet you can buy those same guns in Indiana or Kentucky at age 18, those state and local laws won't have the same bite.

We need to blame the mentally ill people and bad guys!

Every country has mentally ill people and bad guys. Believe it or not, people in the United States are not more or less prone to commit a crime than the majority of other countries.

The children in the UK and France are watching the same violent movies/TV shows. They are listening to same violence music. Every school has bully's. This isn't some cultural shift. It's the guns!

The revealing truth about gun supporters and the NRA is this: They don't have the trust of the American people. They back gun manufacturers before everyday people. They are negligent and responsible for the mass shootings in this country. Blaming bad guys and the mentally ill for these killings would be like blaming smokers for getting lung cancer. Certainly, the cigarette companies have some culpability in the matter - that's why cigarettes have become highly regulated.

The NRA and gun zealots can continue to bash victims and kids. Go ahead. Those victims and kids will grow up and remember your hatred. They will vote you of office, dismantle your organization, and end you.

When those kids are 30-50, you gun zealots will be frail and bedridden unable to grab your guns. You will not be able to do a damn thing but watch old westerns and eat jello.

So you’re blaming everything on guns, and I haven’t heard one thing that we can do to stop the killings,
1- you aren’t getting our guns PERIOD. So might as well start trying another way to fix the problem.
2- how long are y’all going to fight having armed guards at schools, you put guards on our money at banks, guards at sporting events, guards on planes, but schools are still no gun zones, hmmm


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Yep. They aren’t interested in compromise. They want outright bans on all firearms because the NRA donates money to republicans. Hopefully they put themselves on the front lines of the confiscation teams.

People like DANA LOESCH argue for the shooting and killing of anyone that protests. I refuse to compromise with a lunatic like that.

 
I believe this latest gun shooting exposed the radical ideology of those in the NRA and the radical gun zealots.

These people live in some sort of alternate reality thinking we are still in the late 18th or early 19th century. They are dinosaurs the same way supporters of the Confederacy were.

First off, I find it disgusting and morbid why anyone would find it acceptable to attack grieving kids and family members who suffered tremendous loss. IMO it is akin to how blacks were treated 100 years ago. Secondly, it is incredibly stupid. You do realize these 15, 16, and 17 years old will be able to vote soon?

If you have noticed something, the NRA and gun zealots do actually provide solutions, however, every single solution supports gun manufacturers.

Stupid solutions: Let's arm the teachers:
* If these shooters are buying and using AR-15s, what good is a handgun going to do?
*Who is going to train these teachers? Are they going to wear kevlar vests?
*I can go and on and on however this solution is essentially saying our schools are so unsafe, we feel the need to arm teachers (imagine your 60-70-year-old first grade teachers with guns).

State/local solutions don't work without federal backing!

It is somewhat pointless to have strict gun laws in one city if the neighboring city has lenient gun laws. Imagine for example if half the states allowed for slavery and the other half abolished it. That just wouldn't work. If the minimum age to buy a long gun is 21 in Illinois yet you can buy those same guns in Indiana or Kentucky at age 18, those state and local laws won't have the same bite.

We need to blame the mentally ill people and bad guys!

Every country has mentally ill people and bad guys. Believe it or not, people in the United States are not more or less prone to commit a crime than the majority of other countries.

The children in the UK and France are watching the same violent movies/TV shows. They are listening to same violence music. Every school has bully's. This isn't some cultural shift. It's the guns!

The revealing truth about gun supporters and the NRA is this: They don't have the trust of the American people. They back gun manufacturers before everyday people. They are negligent and responsible for the mass shootings in this country. Blaming bad guys and the mentally ill for these killings would be like blaming smokers for getting lung cancer. Certainly, the cigarette companies have some culpability in the matter - that's why cigarettes have become highly regulated.

The NRA and gun zealots can continue to bash victims and kids. Go ahead. Those victims and kids will grow up and remember your hatred. They will vote you of office, dismantle your organization, and end you.

When those kids are 30-50, you gun zealots will be frail and bedridden unable to grab your guns. You will not be able to do a damn thing but watch old westerns and eat jello.

That's a lot of grandstanding, with very little substance... not surprised in the least.
 
We need to blame the mentally ill people and bad guys!

This is not a fallacy and some talking point. it is real.
How can you NOT blame the bad guy doing the shooting.
The minute they starting pulling the trigger, i no longer care about their poor situation.
They forfeited that with their first muzzle blast.

If bullets are whistling by my head, you are damned right, I will be blaming whoever is doing the shooting.
You can go up to them and sympathize about how bad they had it in life.
I will be ducking for cover, and finding a way to unass the area.
...and shoot back if i can.
...and YES, I WILL blame them for every injury and death THEY CAUSE.

Bucky, you are to close to this and i think your logic is starting to leave your head.
Take a day off from posting and come back.
We will be here.
However, you are starting to drift away from us.
Even the gun haters would blame the trigger puller if they got shot.

Sometimes it is best to take a break from the internet and go for a walk.
 
*I can go and on and on however this solution is essentially saying our schools are so unsafe, we feel the need to arm teachers (imagine your 60-70-year-old first grade teachers with guns).
There's nothing to say 60-70 year olds can't handle guns. At the shotgun range I used to go to some of the best shots there were the older people. At the shooting classes I take some of the people that graduate at the top of the class are older people. As for arming teachers, Im certainly not in favor of arming all teachers but the idea has been mentioned about having certain specially trained individuals who are armed and that can include having them wear vests. In stopping an attacker shot placement is much more important than the weapon being used. A skilled defender with a 9mm handgun can stop an attacker whose got a semi automatic rifle with superior weapon handling skill and shot placement. Skills is much more important than the weapon being used. Armed individuals in the school don't necessarily have to be teachers they can be anybody on the school staff, custodians, ect.

State/local solutions don't work without federal backing!
f the minimum age to buy a long gun is 21 in Illinois yet you can buy those same guns in Indiana or Kentucky at age 18, those state and local laws won't have the same bite.
The age to buy any kind of gun, long guns, handguns, ect should be 18 since you can be drafted at 18 and you can sign up to serve at 18. But I do somewhat agree with you about the need for federal backing. At a federal level states should be prohibited from passing gun laws that are too restrictive although then we're getting into the issue of state's rights.

We need to blame the mentally ill people and bad guys!

Every country has mentally ill people and bad guys. Believe it or not, people in the United States are not more or less prone to commit a crime than the majority of other countries.

The children in the UK and France are watching the same violent movies/TV shows. They are listening to same violence music. Every school has bully's. This isn't some cultural shift. It's the guns!

The revealing truth about gun supporters and the NRA is this: They don't have the trust of the American people. They back gun manufacturers before everyday people. They are negligent and responsible for the mass shootings in this country. Blaming bad guys and the mentally ill for these killings would be like blaming smokers for getting lung cancer. Certainly, the cigarette companies have some culpability in the matter - that's why cigarettes have become highly regulated.
We don't want to be like the UK. We beat them in the Revolutionary War though force of arms and as such we're independent from them and we don't want to follow their example, especially their example with gun control. That is how we beat them after all. But aside from that you're right that the UK and France has mentally ill people and bad guys just like the USA but I must say the USA does a bad job in properly dealing with mentally ill people, they need to be put away. Adam Lanza should've been put away. James Eagan Holmes should've been put away. The shooter in Florida should've been put away especially since police came to his house over 30 times and the FBI knew he was up to something. The problem is we let them run loose and they will hurt others if not with guns than with other methods. Europe might not have shootings like the USA but they've got other types of killings, bombings, vehicle rammings, you do remember the Manchester bombing I take it or the vehicle rammings in France and at the London Bridge which also involved multiple people being stabbed I take it?

The NRA and gun zealots can continue to bash victims and kids. Go ahead. Those victims and kids will grow up and remember your hatred. They will vote you of office, dismantle your organization, and end you.
I am not bashing any of the victims and kids but aside from that they are one small group compared to the big picture. When they do vote they will be doing so among many other voters and many of the other voters will vote in favor of the 2A and the NRA and gun rights.

When those kids are 30-50, you gun zealots will be frail and bedridden unable to grab your guns. You will not be able to do a damn thing but watch old westerns and eat jello.
Not me. If Im still alive in 20, 30, 40 years I plan to stay in top shape and to keep myself at my prime. I regularly exercise and train and I plan to do so until the day I die, whenever that might be. Look at Jack Lalaynne or Helio Gracie as examples. But aside from that, your point? Everybody who lives long enough eventually gets old so just what are you saying?
 
I believe this latest gun shooting exposed the radical ideology of those in the NRA and the radical gun zealots.


Every country has mentally ill people and bad guys. Believe it or not, people in the United States are not more or less prone to commit a crime than the majority of other countries.


The NRA and gun zealots can continue to bash victims and kids. Go ahead. Those victims and kids will grow up and remember your hatred. They will vote you of office, dismantle your organization, and end you.

When those kids are 30-50, you gun zealots will be frail and bedridden unable to grab your guns. You will not be able to do a damn thing but watch old westerns and eat jello.

We do have a problem. I do think banning certain guns or even all guns isn't the solution. The problem lies deeper than just guns which everyone seems to accept is the reason these things, school shootings, mass shootings happen. The gun doesn't make anyone go out onto the street, pick a public place, school, mall, what have you and begin the killing spree. True the gun is a tool of choice, at least at this point in time. But the gun may not be in the future.

We've had school shooting all throughout our history, the first occurred way back in 1764. here's the list

2018, 14 February - Marjory Stoneman Douglas High school shootings - (17 dead)
2017, November 14 - Rancho Tehama Reserve shootings - (6 dead)
2015, 1 October - Umpqua Community College shooting - (10 dead)
2014, October 24- Marysville Pilchuck High School shooting - (5 dead)
2013, June 7 - 2013 Santa Monica shooting - (6 dead)
2012, December 14- Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings - (28 deaths)
2012, 2 April - Oikos University shooting - (7 deaths)
2008, February 14 - Northern Illinois University shooting - (6 deaths)
2007, 6 April - Virginia Tech massacre - (33 deaths)
2006, October 2 - West Nickel Mines School shooting - (6 deaths)
2005, 21 March - Red Lake shootings - (10 deaths)
1999, 20 April - Columbine High School massacre - (15 deaths)
1998, May 21 - Thurston High School shooting - (4 deaths)
1998, March 24 - Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden - (5 deaths)
1991, 1 November - University of Iowa shooting - (6 deaths)
1976, 12 July - Fulerton, California - (7 deaths)
1970, 4 May - Kent State shootings (4 deaths)
1966, 12 November - Mesa, Arizona - (5 deaths)
1966, 1 August - University of Texas tower shooting - (17 deaths)
1940, May 6 - Pasadena - (5 deaths)
1893, December 13 - Charleston - (6 deaths)
1893, March 26 - Plain Dealing high school - (4 deaths)
1764, July 26 - Enoch Brown (10 deaths)

A total of 23 and counting. But 14 of those 23 has occurred since 1998 and all but 4 since 1966. The availability of guns has always been there. Mass shootings, from 1900 through 1970 there were 28, 17 of the 28 during the Al Capone gangster era of the 1930's and 40's. From 1970 through today there has been around 150 and counting. Guns were available from 1900-1970 when there was little to no gun control laws. That is outside of having to have a federal permit to own a machine gun.

Why the increase? Mass shootings or school shootings, why the increase? Do we care why we've had a huge increase? I don't think anyone does. What we have seen since 1970 is a change in the mind set of the shooters. Most mass shootings pre-1970 were familicides or felony related. The shooter knew whom he was shooting, shooting for revenge, money, power, protecting one's turf ala Al Capone, but for a reason. That reason may not have been valid, but there was a reason behind them.

Post 1970, most mass shootings occurred in public places killing innocent bystanders the shooter didn't know. No reason except to kill for killing sakes. Not for revenge, power, money, just kill baby, who doesn't matter. Why? What is the cause? Do we care?

Personally, I think if one takes one tool away from these people. Be that tool is a gun, take them away, that those people who just want to kill as many as possible will find another way, another tool. Maybe not as deadly, maybe more deadly. Such things as bombs, arson, chemicals, come to mind and there are probably as many more tools I haven't thought of.

I think these rampages will continue regardless of the tool used. They will continue until we are willing to search out the main cause, reach the root of the problem. But from all the posts in all the treads, I have yet to read or see someone who is willing to do this. Then again, maybe its just me for thinking the tool used isn't the problem, not the root problem, not the cause of why these things happen.
 
I believe two teachers gave their lives to shield students in FL. If they had guns the outcome would have been different. Yes, arm them.

Police stations are never attacked by these cowards, for obvious reasons.

Nor are gun shows.
 
Soooo...

Slaves were not considered citizens. They could not own property, vote, have a right to a trial, etc...

So not being able to buy an ar-15 all of a sudden, makes you a slave?

Not all slaves are American, not all are black, and certainly, but at least in part, wishing they could defend themselves, is something they may have in common.
Please don't get me wrong, I am all for weeding out crazy people and stopping them from owning guns. Just like everything else, with rights come responsibilities. However, when you start out an OP by making broad brush accusations, you have already lost the debate and aren't willing to have a discussion. It is more like wanting to preach, hoping the choir will come along soon to preach along side you.
If you want a productive discussion, be respectful first and foremost.
 
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The age to buy any kind of gun, long guns, handguns, ect should be 18 since you can be drafted at 18 and you can sign up to serve at 18. But I do somewhat agree with you about the need for federal backing. At a federal level states should be prohibited from passing gun laws that are too restrictive although then we're getting into the issue of state's rights.

I don't advocate kids drinking at age 18. It was tought being a kid. A lot of emotions, hormones, etc... They in way should be able to buy an assault weapon.
 
Not all slaves are American, not all are black, and certainly, but at least in part, wishing they could defend themselves, is something they may have in common.
Please don't get me wrong, I am all for weeding out crazy people and stopping them from owning guns. Just like everything else, with rights come responsibilities. However, when you start out an OP by making broad brush accusations, you have already lost the debate and aren't willing to have a discussion. It is more like wanting to preach, hoping the choir will come along soon to preach along side you.
If you want a productive discussion, be respectful first and foremost.

 
People like DANA LOESCH argue for the shooting and killing of anyone that protests. I refuse to compromise with a lunatic like that.



Lunatic meet lunatic.
Not only is the NRA unAmerican, they are borderline terrorists.

I hope they die a painful death.
 
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