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The revealing truth about gun supporters

ataraxia said:
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You can defend yourself. You don't need an AR15 or machine gun to do that. And closing the gun show loophole for criminals and crazy people shouldn't be a problem for you either. You're literally killing us with your rights. Back off and go take a chill pill with your "rights".
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Again, it's not up to you to decide what I need to defend myself or others. It's not even up to you to decide why I own firearms. I personally own no assault style weapons. Machine guns have never been in my thoughts. I respect the rights of others to keep and bear whatever they are comfortable with.

Gun show loophole? Can you cite an instance where any gun purchased at a gun show without a background check has been implicated in a mass murder? Have you ever been to a gun show to observe for yourself?
 
ataraxia said:
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You can defend yourself. You don't need an AR15 or machine gun to do that. And closing the gun show loophole for criminals and crazy people shouldn't be a problem for you either. You're literally killing us with your rights. Back off and go take a chill pill with your "rights".
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given how little expertise you have demonstrated concerning this subject, and given your disgust with gun owners in general, why should anyone even give a second thought about your claims what they need or don't need.

Scalia's dicta is talking about dangerous ordnance, not commonly used weapons that civilian police are routinely issued. No one's rights are killing anyone. So stop the stupid lies
 
Rucker61 said:
I don't think the access would work that way, plus there would have to be a firearm involved in the transaction. Employers already have access to your background including drug use and criminal records.

I thinking of something more like Coburn's proposal:

https://www.npr.org/2013/04/18/177825289/coburn-proposal-would-make-buyer-prove-ability-to-buy-guns
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The problem is that employers have to search the database and find out what the crime actually is. The nics check doesn;t do that.. its yeah or neh...so it can be abused.

I read Coburn;s interview but it didn;t really detail his proposal.

I agree with doing away with background checks proving that you are eligible for a firearm and instead.. proving that you are not on the list.

That could easily be done with Drivers license or other ID. Simply have a requirement that if you cannot own a firearm.. its stamped on your ID.. "ineligible for firearms purchase".

then If I sell a firearm privately.. all I have to do is check someones id. Done.
 
jaeger19 said:
Yep.. violent crime which INCLUDES homicides.
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Yes, but homicides are on the increase while other violent crimes are decreasing.

Can you grasp the difference in the forms of violent crimes, or must one spell if out for you?
 
Old Trapper said:
Yes, but homicides are on the increase while other violent crimes are decreasing.

Can you grasp the difference in the forms of violent crimes, or must one spell if out for you?
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Sure I understand it. homicides are on an increase from basically an all time low and are still low compared to decades before when there were fewer firearms.

Not to mention other violent crimes as well.,

Look.. you can keep trying to pedal your meme.. but the facts simply don't support it.

A new report by the Brennan Center for Justice looked at the crime rates for the 30 largest US cities. Over the past two years, Brennan found increases — sometimes sharp rises — in the violent crime and murder rates. Many feared this was a reversal from the past several decades of crime decreases, which put the 2014 US murder rate in particular at the lowest it’s been since at least the 1960s.

But so far this year, Brennan has some good news. Based on its preliminary analysis for 2017, the overall crime rate is projected to decline by 1.8 percent compared to 2016, the violent crime rate by 0.6 percent, and the murder rate by 2.5 percent.

“The violent crime rate for this year is projected to be about 1 percent above 2014’s violent crime rate, the lowest recorded since 1990,” Brennan reported, primarily due to the stabilization of the violent crime rate in Chicago and a decrease in Washington, DC.

According to Brennan, the murder rate — seen as the most reliable metric for crime, since it’s hard to spoof or overlook a death — in the 30 largest US cities will be around what it was in 2009 and well below historical highs.
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