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What's More Likely?

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My experience has given me a clear answer to the following question. What is more likely, being shot by a "legal" gun owner or using a legally owned gun to defend yourself from a hoodlum?

The kids in Florida have it right. They consider it much more likely that someone will be shot by some nut with a gun than they do the crazy notion that a good guy with a gun will prevent them from being shot. Personal experience bears this out. I know a dozen people who were shot dead. But, yet, I know no one who shot someone dead in self-defense. No one.
 
calamity said:
My experience has given me a clear answer to the following question. What is more likely, being shot by a "legal" gun owner or using a legally owned gun to defend yourself from a hoodlum?

The kids in Florida have it right. They consider it much more likely that someone will be shot by some nut with a gun than they do the crazy notion that a good guy with a gun will prevent them from being shot. Personal experience bears this out. I know a dozen people who were shot dead. But, yet, I know no one who shot someone dead in self-defense. No one.
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Time for you to get some new friends, because I know no one who has been shot dead
 
Crovax said:
Time to get some new friends, because I know no one who has been shot dead
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Haven't we had this conversation before?
 
calamity said:
My experience has given me a clear answer to the following question. What is more likely, being shot by a "legal" gun owner or using a legally owned gun to defend yourself from a hoodlum?

The kids in Florida have it right. They consider it much more likely that someone will be shot by some nut with a gun than they do the crazy notion that a good guy with a gun will prevent them from being shot. Personal experience bears this out. I know a dozen people who were shot dead. But, yet, I know no one who shot someone dead in self-defense. No one.
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They would be incorrect. most shootings are between people who both have criminal records to the tune of 85+ percent. The kids are being used by activist to push a lie.



I doubt your story as well.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
They would be incorrect. most shootings are between people who both have criminal records to the tune of 85+ percent. The kids are being used by activist to push a lie.
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THe average person is much more likely to be killed by a gun someone in his or her home owns than they are an intruder with a gun. Fact. The students are onto something.



I doubt your story as well.
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What's to doubt? Though, I do admit, the first person I know who killed someone did it the old fashioned way--with a tire iron.
 
calamity said:
My experience has given me a clear answer to the following question. What is more likely, being shot by a "legal" gun owner or using a legally owned gun to defend yourself from a hoodlum?

The kids in Florida have it right. They consider it much more likely that someone will be shot by some nut with a gun than they do the crazy notion that a good guy with a gun will prevent them from being shot. Personal experience bears this out. I know a dozen people who were shot dead. But, yet, I know no one who shot someone dead in self-defense. No one.
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Being shot by a legal gun owner.

Imagine if we tried to combat drug addiction by have drug addicts take more drugs!

The gun zealots make no sense and they are dangerous.
 
Bucky said:
Being shot by a legal gun owner.

Imagine if we tried to combat drug addiction by have drug addicts take more drugs!

The gun zealots make no sense and they are dangerous.
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Or combat drunk driving by allowing entrepreneurs to put a chain of drive-thru bars along the Interstate.
 
calamity said:
THe average person is much more likely to be killed by a gun someone in his or her home owns than they are an intruder with a gun. Fact. The students are onto something.
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Now you are moving goal posts.



What's to doubt? Though, I do admit, the first person I know who killed someone did it the old fashioned way--with a tire iron.
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Where do you live? In a quentin tarratino movie?
 
calamity said:
My experience has given me a clear answer to the following question. What is more likely, being shot by a "legal" gun owner or using a legally owned gun to defend yourself from a hoodlum?

The kids in Florida have it right. They consider it much more likely that someone will be shot by some nut with a gun than they do the crazy notion that a good guy with a gun will prevent them from being shot. Personal experience bears this out. I know a dozen people who were shot dead. But, yet, I know no one who shot someone dead in self-defense. No one.
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Police manage, on a regular basis, to stop criminals and make arrests without shooting them in the vast majority of cases. Does that type DGU not get counted in your mind? That is much like saying unless my barking dogs bit (killled?) a potential intruder that they did not help to prevent a crime from occurring on my property.

If I show my gun to a road raging moron or person intent on taking my tools and they desist and flee - did I prevent a crime or commit one? The same is true of folks taking defensive driving measures - how many "accidents" (that would have resulted in injury or death) were avoided by folks using defensive driving paratcices is hard to come by but not hard to imagine as being quite common.
 
calamity said:
My experience has given me a clear answer to the following question. What is more likely, being shot by a "legal" gun owner or using a legally owned gun to defend yourself from a hoodlum?

The kids in Florida have it right. They consider it much more likely that someone will be shot by some nut with a gun than they do the crazy notion that a good guy with a gun will prevent them from being shot. Personal experience bears this out. I know a dozen people who were shot dead. But, yet, I know no one who shot someone dead in self-defense. No one.
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Statistics tell us that the gun you buy is more likely to be used shooting yourself or a family member than it is to be used to shoot an attacker. But, none of that matters, because the stats don't track the times when a gun is shown in self-defense and the attacker flees, nor do they show how many people avoid being the targets of attackers/burglars because the criminal thinks they may be armed.

At the end of the day -- it's not about the numbers but rather about forcing a person to be defenseless against an attacker.

It's also about freedom. My mother-in-law is in her 70s and she's carried a pistol in her purse since the day I met her, many years ago. She's a tiny thing, but she's pulled that gun out a couple of times when she and those around here were threatened. She's a crack shot and she's very confident knowing that gun is in her purse. Many women are afraid to go to some areas of town, or be out after dark, etc., so their freedom is limited by fear. But, knowing they have a method of protecting themselves gives them greater confidence, which means they don't have to limit their activities.

A gun is a great equalizer, and that isn't changed by the number of gun owners who accidentally shoot themselves.
 
calamity said:
My experience has given me a clear answer to the following question. What is more likely, being shot by a "legal" gun owner or using a legally owned gun to defend yourself from a hoodlum?

The kids in Florida have it right. They consider it much more likely that someone will be shot by some nut with a gun than they do the crazy notion that a good guy with a gun will prevent them from being shot. Personal experience bears this out. I know a dozen people who were shot dead. But, yet, I know no one who shot someone dead in self-defense. No one.
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"God made men. Samuel Colt made them equal."
 
calamity said:
My experience has given me a clear answer to the following question. What is more likely, being shot by a "legal" gun owner or using a legally owned gun to defend yourself from a hoodlum?

The kids in Florida have it right. They consider it much more likely that someone will be shot by some nut with a gun than they do the crazy notion that a good guy with a gun will prevent them from being shot. Personal experience bears this out. I know a dozen people who were shot dead. But, yet, I know no one who shot someone dead in self-defense. No one.
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Out of those dozens you know where shot dead, (really?), how many were shot dead by someone that legally owned the firearm?
 
calamity said:
My experience has given me a clear answer to the following question. What is more likely, being shot by a "legal" gun owner or using a legally owned gun to defend yourself from a hoodlum?

The kids in Florida have it right. They consider it much more likely that someone will be shot by some nut with a gun than they do the crazy notion that a good guy with a gun will prevent them from being shot. Personal experience bears this out. I know a dozen people who were shot dead. But, yet, I know no one who shot someone dead in self-defense. No one.
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It is because, possibly, those that actually did shoot someone in self-defense...DO NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT......period.
You need to consider this.
CONSIDERation of others is part of being considerate of other's feelings.
 
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Casper said:
Out of those dozens you know where shot dead, (really?), how many were shot dead by someone that legally owned the firearm?
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All of them were shot by legally purchased guns. I thought I made that clear.

2 shot after a bar fight by legally owned gun
1 shot in the army during argument while playing cards
3 shot by spouses or boyfriends
2 shot while investigating suspicious activity where they worked
2 shot by accident, supposedly
1 shot being a cop by a psycho husband going berserk

And, when we add people I know who committed suicide by gun, I can probably double that list.
 
Crovax said:
Yes, you think being white stops people from getting killed by guns
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Yes. Being white puts you at far less risk of being killed by a gun that is not your own. Probably though, being white puts you at a higher risk of being killed by a gun that is your own or your spouse's.
 
calamity said:
Yes. Being white puts you at far less risk of being killed by a gun that is not your own. Probably though, being white puts you at a higher risk of being killed by a gun that is your own or your spouse's.
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:roll: that might be the statistical breakdown, but do you actually think it has anything to do with skin color?
 
Crovax said:
:roll: that might be the statistical breakdown, but do you actually think it has anything to do with skin color?
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Not sure I understand your question. I'm a stat guy. All I care about are the numbers. And, the numbers support not only the "White" thing, but also what I wrote in the OP.
 
calamity said:
My experience has given me a clear answer to the following question. What is more likely, being shot by a "legal" gun owner or using a legally owned gun to defend yourself from a hoodlum?

The kids in Florida have it right. They consider it much more likely that someone will be shot by some nut with a gun than they do the crazy notion that a good guy with a gun will prevent them from being shot. Personal experience bears this out. I know a dozen people who were shot dead. But, yet, I know no one who shot someone dead in self-defense. No one.
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I prefer to be shot by a legal gun owner. The bullet has been proven in clinical studies to do less damage as it passes through the vital organs.
 
calamity said:
My experience has given me a clear answer to the following question. What is more likely, being shot by a "legal" gun owner or using a legally owned gun to defend yourself from a hoodlum?

The kids in Florida have it right. They consider it much more likely that someone will be shot by some nut with a gun than they do the crazy notion that a good guy with a gun will prevent them from being shot. Personal experience bears this out. I know a dozen people who were shot dead. But, yet, I know no one who shot someone dead in self-defense. No one.
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Your premise is so idiotic that there are no words to respond.
 
calamity said:
My experience has given me a clear answer to the following question. What is more likely, being shot by a "legal" gun owner or using a legally owned gun to defend yourself from a hoodlum?

The kids in Florida have it right. They consider it much more likely that someone will be shot by some nut with a gun than they do the crazy notion that a good guy with a gun will prevent them from being shot. Personal experience bears this out. I know a dozen people who were shot dead. But, yet, I know no one who shot someone dead in self-defense. No one.
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How many nuts have attacked people with a legally owned gun? Is it possible those with guns don't find themselves in a position requiring defensive shooting just for the reason they own a gun?
 
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