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Raising The Age To Buy Rifles

Maybe you grew up in Maine or New Hampshire or Vermont which were and still are very gun friendly states and they're up north.

And Minnesota and Wisconsin and Iowa and North Dakota........and others......
 
Maybe you grew up in Maine or New Hampshire or Vermont which were and still are very gun friendly states and they're up north.

Or on a farm.

I live in Canada and pretty much every farmer I know has at least one gun. They may have them for protection but it is not to protect their family so much as to protect their chickens and livestock :)
 
I took hunters safety education at 11 as did nearly every boy in my grade.

Not only did I take hunter safety about the same age, I brought my shotgun to school and kept it in my locker all day until the class.
 
Thank you all for sharing your experiences with gun culture. Being a city girl, I grew up outside the world of guns, but have grown up in a world that's seen the many other factors which led and leads to these tragedies.
 
Thank you all for sharing your experiences with gun culture. Being a city girl, I grew up outside the world of guns, but have grown up in a world that's seen the many other factors which led and leads to these tragedies.

I see. I grew up too in a culture that didn't have much to do with guns, NJ. But I've always been fascinated by guns ever since I was a small child. I first got to shoot a gun in Boy Scouts at 11 and since then I've really learned a lot. Anyway, as you mention earlier, you seem to indicate that 21 is a magic age where all of a sudden you can be trusted with guns but before that you can't.
 
I see. I grew up too in a culture that didn't have much to do with guns, NJ. But I've always been fascinated by guns ever since I was a small child. I first got to shoot a gun in Boy Scouts at 11 and since then I've really learned a lot. Anyway, as you mention earlier, you seem to indicate that 21 is a magic age where all of a sudden you can be trusted with guns but before that you can't.


You were doing ok until you used a straw man fallacy to misconstrue what I wrote to fit your agenda.

I NEVER SAID THAT, NOR DID I IMPLY THAT.

Do you understand what a conversation is?
 
There has been talk, particularly by President Trump, about raising the age to buy rifles from 18 to 21. As it is right now, the age to buy rifles in lots of states is 18 and the age to buy handguns anywhere in the country from FFL dealers is 21. I see that as a mistake and it will not stop school shootings because what about people who are 21+ who commit the shootings? Or what about people who are under 21, or under 18, who get guns illegally? Adam Lanza who was 20 when he shot up Sandy Hook Elementary school got the guns illegally by stealing them from his mom. Dylan Klebold was 17 when he shot up Columbine High School so he wouldn't be able to get any gun legally.

Anyway not only should the age to buy rifles not be raised to 18 but the age to buy any kind of gun should be lowered to 18. Any kind of gun a person can legally get at 21 they should be able to legally get at 18 including handguns. Why? Because a person can be drafted at 18 or just the fact that a person can sign up to serve at 18 they should be able to get the same guns a 21 year old can get. If a person can be drafted at 18 they should be able to get rifles and handguns at 18.

Let's raise it to 21 with an exemption for those who are in the military....it might motivate some gun lovers to join, and it will make thinks harder for these teens who endevior to use other teens as target practice.
 
Well from what I do know about the Columbine shooting the guns were obtained illegally and their suppliers were charged and sentenced.



Columbine was a straw purchase, the girl that bought the weapons did so legally as far as the seller was Involved. It became illegal when she turned the guns over to the murderers.
 
Not only did I take hunter safety about the same age, I brought my shotgun to school and kept it in my locker all day until the class.

Yup we did the same but we didn't have lockers, we just leaned them against the wall next to our coats, cased of course.

We did classroom right there in the school, then we would go out to tbe school districts range for hands on.

How many schools have ranges now days?
 
Thank you all for sharing your experiences with gun culture. Being a city girl, I grew up outside the world of guns, but have grown up in a world that's seen the many other factors which led and leads to these tragedies.


Actually I believe people that do not grow up around guns whether they shoot or not are more dangerous than people that do. Some develope a fascination for them and all they know is what they see on t.v., video games and in some cases music.

I have a step nephew who when he was around 12 had a fascination with guns, he always wanted to talk to me about them. He would always have a stack of gun magazines.

Then he came to my house for thanksgiving. I still had a few traps out so I asked if he wanted to come along.

In a ten minute period of time he saw a muskrat, raccoon, and a squirrel die. (No the squirrel was not trapped, just wrong place wrong time).

After actually witnessing that firearms are not as glamorous as he believed he never asked about guns again. I have even offered to let him shoot and he refuses.

Firearms are not for everyone but if everyone around you is aware how to be safe they are nothing to fear.
 
Well from what I do know about the Columbine shooting the guns were obtained illegally and their suppliers were charged and sentenced.

They were charged with supplying the handguns to someone under 18 and a sawed off shotgun(a class 3 weapon) if they had chosen to use an AR-15 they could have purchased it legally
 
There has been talk, particularly by President Trump, about raising the age to buy rifles from 18 to 21. As it is right now, the age to buy rifles in lots of states is 18 and the age to buy handguns anywhere in the country from FFL dealers is 21. I see that as a mistake and it will not stop school shootings because what about people who are 21+ who commit the shootings? Or what about people who are under 21, or under 18, who get guns illegally? Adam Lanza who was 20 when he shot up Sandy Hook Elementary school got the guns illegally by stealing them from his mom. Dylan Klebold was 17 when he shot up Columbine High School so he wouldn't be able to get any gun legally.

Anyway not only should the age to buy rifles not be raised to 18 but the age to buy any kind of gun should be lowered to 18. Any kind of gun a person can legally get at 21 they should be able to legally get at 18 including handguns. Why? Because a person can be drafted at 18 or just the fact that a person can sign up to serve at 18 they should be able to get the same guns a 21 year old can get. If a person can be drafted at 18 they should be able to get rifles and handguns at 18.

I agree. At 18 you are a legal adult and as a legal adult who can serve in war, and vote you should have the same exact rights as other adults. Which includes drinking alcohol, purchasing handgun,smoking tobacco(I think a state or two raised the smoking age) and other things.
 
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You were doing ok until you used a straw man fallacy to misconstrue what I wrote to fit your agenda.

I NEVER SAID THAT, NOR DID I IMPLY THAT.

Do you understand what a conversation is?

Alright I went back and read your post #5. You don't imply 21 about being a magic age in which a person can be trusted with a gun. You do however talk about rights and privileges being withheld until a person reaches older ages. As a youth rights activist I have to disagree with you but that is another discussion.
 
Let's raise it to 21 with an exemption for those who are in the military....it might motivate some gun lovers to join, and it will make thinks harder for these teens who endevior to use other teens as target practice.

Owning guns is a right. Having to join the military to be allowed to do it makes it into a privilege which goes against the constitution.
 
Actually I believe people that do not grow up around guns whether they shoot or not are more dangerous than people that do. Some develope a fascination for them and all they know is what they see on t.v., video games and in some cases music.

I have a step nephew who when he was around 12 had a fascination with guns, he always wanted to talk to me about them. He would always have a stack of gun magazines.

Then he came to my house for thanksgiving. I still had a few traps out so I asked if he wanted to come along.

In a ten minute period of time he saw a muskrat, raccoon, and a squirrel die. (No the squirrel was not trapped, just wrong place wrong time).

After actually witnessing that firearms are not as glamorous as he believed he never asked about guns again. I have even offered to let him shoot and he refuses.

Firearms are not for everyone but if everyone around you is aware how to be safe they are nothing to fear.

Thats interesting, I've been fascinated with guns ever since I first found out what they were and when I got to shoot a gun for the first time, in boy scout camp when I was 11 years old, it just spiked my fascination all the more. When I was 18 I got to shoot all sorts of guns, handguns, rifles, shotguns, a .44 Magnum for the first time, and that really spiked my interest. The more I got to use guns the more fascinated I became.
 
I agree. At 18 you are a legal adult and as a legal adult who can serve in war, and vote you should have the same exact rights as other adults. Which includes drinking alcohol, purchasing handgun,smoking tobacco(I think a state or two raised the smoking age) and other things.
As I said before alcohol and tobacco aren't regularly used in the military guns are. Somebody else on this thread pointed out that if you're in the military you can buy alcohol and tobacco at the age of 18, Im not sure about that but to me it doesn't matter. The right to own guns is in the constitution, the right to smoke tobacco and drink alcohol isn't.
 
Owning guns is a right. Having to join the military to be allowed to do it makes it into a privilege which goes against the constitution.

But we have done such a colossally bad job of raising adults that allowances must be made......at least for now.
 
There has been talk, particularly by President Trump, about raising the age to buy rifles from 18 to 21. As it is right now, the age to buy rifles in lots of states is 18 and the age to buy handguns anywhere in the country from FFL dealers is 21. I see that as a mistake and it will not stop school shootings because what about people who are 21+ who commit the shootings? Or what about people who are under 21, or under 18, who get guns illegally? Adam Lanza who was 20 when he shot up Sandy Hook Elementary school got the guns illegally by stealing them from his mom. Dylan Klebold was 17 when he shot up Columbine High School so he wouldn't be able to get any gun legally.

Anyway not only should the age to buy rifles not be raised to 18 but the age to buy any kind of gun should be lowered to 18. Any kind of gun a person can legally get at 21 they should be able to legally get at 18 including handguns. Why? Because a person can be drafted at 18 or just the fact that a person can sign up to serve at 18 they should be able to get the same guns a 21 year old can get. If a person can be drafted at 18 they should be able to get rifles and handguns at 18.

I am not about to take ANYTHING Trump offers on this issue seriously....EVER.

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There has been talk, particularly by President Trump, about raising the age to buy rifles from 18 to 21. As it is right now, the age to buy rifles in lots of states is 18 and the age to buy handguns anywhere in the country from FFL dealers is 21. I see that as a mistake and it will not stop school shootings because what about people who are 21+ who commit the shootings? Or what about people who are under 21, or under 18, who get guns illegally? Adam Lanza who was 20 when he shot up Sandy Hook Elementary school got the guns illegally by stealing them from his mom. Dylan Klebold was 17 when he shot up Columbine High School so he wouldn't be able to get any gun legally.

Anyway not only should the age to buy rifles not be raised to 18 but the age to buy any kind of gun should be lowered to 18. Any kind of gun a person can legally get at 21 they should be able to legally get at 18 including handguns. Why? Because a person can be drafted at 18 or just the fact that a person can sign up to serve at 18 they should be able to get the same guns a 21 year old can get. If a person can be drafted at 18 they should be able to get rifles and handguns at 18.

I don't think this will really have any affect on mass shootings. It's feel-good legislation, nothing more.

On the other hand I also don't see it as a violation of the 2nd amendment, since clearly age-based limitations are just fine and have been for years. What I am against is this piecemeal "you get some benefits of adulthood at 16, and some at 18 and some at 21" stuff. If we're going to base adulthood on age, pick a single age for everything and stick with it.
 
As I said before alcohol and tobacco aren't regularly used in the military guns are.

They were when I was in the military. Practically every day after COB soldiers went out drinking or stayed in the barracks and drank.Soldiers also regularly consumed tobacco products.


Somebody else on this thread pointed out that if you're in the military you can buy alcohol and tobacco at the age of 18,

Tobacco yes, alcohol no.Unless rules have changes since 2003.

Im not sure about that but to me it doesn't matter. The right to own guns is in the constitution, the right to smoke tobacco and drink alcohol isn't.


Then I should have phrased as rights and privileges(for the alcohol and tobacco products that most adults get to enjoy if they so choose) that all adults have.
 
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They were when I was in the military. Practically every day after COB soldiers went out drinking or stayed in the barracks and drank.Soldiers also regularly consumed tobacco products.
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You're missing the point. Using alcohol and tobacco is not required in the military nor is it a part of the job. Using guns is.
 
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