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This actually *might* be useful, and reasonable...

AlbqOwl said:
So sorry that happened to your father, but yes, I have seen good results from reporting abuse of children. In our former state, I ran a large agency that had all sorts of activities for adults and kids including swimming lessons, gymnastics, creative arts, etc. etc. etc. plus we maintained a well staffed child care area to watch the kids while Mom or Dad did an activity and we also ran a preschool for children of low income families. And over the course of several years we did identify and reported evidence of abuse/neglect in the case of four children.

One case turned out to be unfounded--the child's injuries resulted from an accident rather than anything the parents did. Two of the children were removed from dangerous situations. In one case, that haunts me to this day, the mother somehow got wind that there would be an investigation and disappeared with the child--we presume she left the state.

Our work with adults was in domestic violence intervention, counseling, and rescue.

I don't know what happened in the case of your father, but it does sound like a serious injustice was done.
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My concern was not for the good agents of which there are plenty - I was pointing out that the "legal mandate" to report suspected criminal abuse/exploitation is not enforceable. The state is not about to start arresting their co-workers for merely violating the law - they actually dared me to try to do something about it and then "thanked me for my concern" one year after my formal written complaint was made. The APS investigation report was closed on 5/26/16 (with no mention of the abuse/exploitation reported to any LEOs) and was then "amended" to include an alleged report "by mail" (which is never done) to the wrong jurisdiction on 8/17/16 - after I had confronted them in open court on 8/1/16 and they (APS and DADS) told me (with my lawyer present) that the police had been notified. It took me until 12/27/16 to get a (redacted) copy of that APS report via a subpoena after I became my father's legal guardian. Even the APS agent's own official report showed that the "immediate and appropriate reporting" to law enforcement was not done.
 
Goshin said:
I'd have to think about it, but I might actually support this if it is done right.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/gun-control-republicans-consider-grvo/
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This was something brought up to me by a law enforcement buddy asking me what I thought about it. I think there is some merit. The courts are involved, it's temporary in nature, and can be challenged in court. It seems to cross off many of the Ts and dot many of the Is that I take issue with as far as due process and such.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
My concern was not for the good agents of which there are plenty - I was pointing out that the "legal mandate" to report suspected criminal abuse/exploitation is not enforceable. The state is not about to start arresting their co-workers for merely violating the law - they actually dared me to try to do something about it and then "thanked me for my concern" one year after my formal written complaint was made. The APS investigation report was closed on 5/26/16 (with no mention of the abuse/exploitation reported to any LEOs) and was then "amended" to include an alleged report "by mail" (which is never done) to the wrong jurisdiction on 8/17/16 - after I had confronted them in open court on 8/1/16 and they (APS and DADS) told me (with my lawyer present) that the police had been notified. It took me until 12/27/16 to get a (redacted) copy of that APS report via a subpoena after I became my father's legal guardian. Even the APS agent's own official report showed that the "immediate and appropriate reporting" to law enforcement was not done.
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Sounds like it is unfortunate that you didn't have a meaner, hungrier lawyer. But in retrospect, I don't know how seriously they take non reporting or how often they will prosecute. We took the law seriously so we did. Would anything have happened had we not? Hard to say.

For sure it is hard to prove that somebody observed anything wrong. But if they admitted that they did and didn't act, that shouldn't be glossed over.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Sounds like it is unfortunate that you didn't have a meaner, hungrier lawyer. But in retrospect, I don't know how seriously they take non reporting or how often they will prosecute. We took the law seriously so we did. Would anything have happened had we not? Hard to say.

For sure it is hard to prove that somebody observed anything wrong. But if they admitted that they did and didn't act, that shouldn't be glossed over.
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I have been "unofficially" told that the federal/state prosecution level (threshold?) for elder exploitation is now $250K (my APS backed claim is only for $164K). I am being told that criminal charges "may" still happen but my hope is fading as dad approaches age 96 and is confined to a state veterans home Alzheimer's unit.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I have been "unofficially" told that the federal/state prosecution level (threshold?) for elder exploitation is now $250K (my APS backed claim is only for $164K). I am being told that criminal charges "may" still happen but my hope is fading as dad approaches age 96 and is confined to a state veterans home Alzheimer's unit.
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I wish I could offer some words of consolation or constructive advice. :(
 
AlbqOwl said:
I wish I could offer some words of consolation or constructive advice. :(
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There simply are none - the state does only what the state wants to do and at the pace with which they feel comfortable doing (or not doing) their jobs. That is exactly why the "weird kid" in Floriduh was allowed to be visited by the LEOs 39 times and had school "officials" content to simply keep him away from their campus - he was considered "dealt with" until he decided to execute 17 folks (to get more personal attention?).

I keep telling folks that we have more than enough laws on the books but are content to let the government elites (who have nice union "public service" jobs for life?) run the show by enforcing them at whatever pace they like - nice and slow seems to work OK since then they can claim to "lack resources" to work more or faster. BTW, congress is closed next week.
 
Goshin said:
I'd have to think about it, but I might actually support this if it is done right.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/gun-control-republicans-consider-grvo/
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Before they start taking away rights there needs to be a mental health evaluation. Just make it easier for family, schools and law enforcement to order a one week psych eval. If the evaluation shows significant bi-polar, borderline personality, etc. THEN you get moving on taking away rights. It's one of those "least restrictive" kind of things. I mean, a week in the psych center is pretty restrictive but it's a week instead of a lifetime PLUS you're actually helping the individual instead of just messing with them.
 
Due process? Taking away people with mental problems 'rights'.

I wish the same people who care so much about gun 'rights' were as diligent about blocking the Patriot Act, which ripped away many more 'rights' from all of us.

Talk about 'due process'? lol
 
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