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School Shooter was a "Legal Gun Owner"

goldkam said:
What an absurd comment to make. Automobiles and anything of the like are in many ways essential for a vast majority of the US population. Guns are only essential for a minority. When comparing gun legislation and policy and automobile policy especially in US, you will find automobile is much more extensive and strict.
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So the lives lost of those due to vehicles means nothing to you. How very caring of you.
 
Sometimes I think calamity doesn't start these threads to promote active discourse but to corral people who disagree with them so he can silence them and stifle their view points.
 
jet57 said:
The number s say that 6000 gun crimes last year were committed by the owners themselves. We have to include the last mass shooting as well.

So that tells us that too many law abiding citizens should not have had guns.
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6000 gun crimes...out of 300 plus million guns. Statistically that doesn't even reach a percentage worth mentioning.
 
Kal'Stang said:
6000 gun crimes...out of 300 plus million guns. Statistically that doesn't even reach a percentage worth mentioning.
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So, the mass shootings by owners don't mean anything then; is that right?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Statistically speaking. Nope.
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I didn't know you felt that way about shooting victims.

Yeah, it's all just the price we pay for the freedom of the 2nd amendment isn't it.
 
jet57 said:
I didn't know you felt that way about shooting victims.

Yeah, it's all just the price we pay for the freedom of the 2nd amendment isn't it.
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Where did I mention victims in my post? Oh right, I didn't. :shrug: See, that's the problem with those that are pro-gun control. The only argument that they have is an emotional one. Not a logical one.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Where did I mention victims in my post? Oh right, I didn't. :shrug: See, that's the problem with those that are pro-gun control. The only argument that they have is an emotional one. Not a logical one.
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So there were no victims of owner operated killings with guns?

I didn't know that. All those mass killing victims from AR15s etc were just cardboard cutouts; it's all a silly game....

I'm glad you cleared that up.
 
jet57 said:
So there were no victims of owner operated killings with guns?

I didn't know that. All those mass killing victims from AR15s etc were just cardboard cutouts; it's all a silly game....

I'm glad you cleared that up.
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I see that you continue to play the emotional argument.

Again, where did I say that there were no victims? You really should stop trying to put words in peoples mouths Jet.
 
Praxas said:
So the lives lost of those due to vehicles means nothing to you. How very caring of you.
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Your implication is pretty far reaching. I didn't at any point state that I didn't care, I merely compared gun policy in the US to vehicular policy in the US. The basis of my claim was to exemplify how guns are a privilege, not a right and the lack of enforceability and even protection of the current gun laws. It is truely unfortunate that people pull extremely far reaching implication when they cannot demonstrate anything rational to say other than 'I' don't care about those dying in vehicular incidents. You may not have noticed but the gun issue seems to be a little more pressing than crashes which happen and are of the norm due to human error and misjudgement (obviously there are ones relating to drink driving, drugs and hate which are horrific and too need to be addressed).
 
zsu2357 said:
I don't think he's playing..If you know what I mean.
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Sure he is, he even said he was smart and stuff, so the answer is in there some place...............
 
Casper said:
Then those deaths have nothing to do with legal gun owners, are you playing stupid or what?
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So? Why should I care? What does that have to do with my primary argument?
 
Kal'Stang said:
I see that you continue to play the emotional argument.

Again, where did I say that there were no victims? You really should stop trying to put words in peoples mouths Jet.
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Nothing emotional about my argument at all. YOUR side of the argument puts the victims in last place. It's not about statistics; it's about what people are doing to each other in this country with guns.
 
jet57 said:
Nothing emotional about my argument at all. YOUR side of the argument puts the victims in last place. It's not about statistics; it's about what people are doing to each other in this country with guns.
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Nothing emotional huh? Your whole argument rests on "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!" type of mantra.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Nothing emotional huh? Your whole argument rests on "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!" type of mantra.
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Nonsense. My argument rests on the idiocy of allowing AR15s into the public market: the results speak for themselves.
 
Cardinal said:
The National Rifle Association is merely a lobby for the gun industry...
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Hmm. Your conclusion is a bit different from mine. The 5 million dues-paying and vote-generating members are also represented. Even the most conservative analysis would suggest that this is a "grass-roots" organization.
 
jimbo said:
Wonder if I can get my $35 back.
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Wow. I also am a life member. I wonder how you got your life membership for $35? I had to pay quite a bit more in 1974, when I converted my "standard" membership to "life".
 
Casper said:
The VAST majority of legal gun owners are not criminals and will never commit and such acts, to say otherwise is a pule an unadulterated Lie.
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I feel I should advise don't waste your breath there is nothing to be gleaned here. This is intellectual Wasteland.
 
dogboy49 said:
Hmm. Your conclusion is a bit different from mine. The 5 million dues-paying and vote-generating members are also represented. Even the most conservative analysis would suggest that this is a "grass-roots" organization.
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People like their narratives.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I feel I should advise don't waste your breath there is nothing to be gleaned here. This is intellectual Wasteland.
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When others attempt to spread a Lie as Truth then others are obligated to point it out, but yes, it is often not worth the effort with those that have an agenda since they are rarely open to anything that does not support that agenda.
 
Casper said:
When others attempt to spread a Lie as Truth then others are obligated to point it out, but yes, it is often not worth the effort with those that have an agenda since they are rarely open to anything that does not support that agenda.
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Some don't have an agenda they post threads for attention.
 
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