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Question for those who agree with an assault rife ban

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After every large mass shooting, many people bring the argument back up that so-called assault rifles should be banned because they are the most common weapon of choice among those who commit mass shootings. While I understand where the argument is coming from, I am also aware that many more Americans die every year from handgun related crimes than from so-called assault rifles. The idea that ONLY so-called assault rifles should be banned is inconsistent unless an individual simply does not care about the victims of handgun related violence as much as they care about victims of assault rifle related violence. If you support a full gun ban, we can at least have a discussion about that because you are consistent, but if you support ONLY an assault rifle ban, why don't you also support the removal of handguns?
 
guru39 said:
After every large mass shooting, many people bring the argument back up that so-called assault rifles should be banned because they are the most common weapon of choice among those who commit mass shootings. While I understand where the argument is coming from, I am also aware that many more Americans die every year from handgun related crimes than from so-called assault rifles. The idea that ONLY so-called assault rifles should be banned is inconsistent unless an individual simply does not care about the victims of handgun related violence as much as they care about victims of assault rifle related violence. If you support a full gun ban, we can at least have a discussion about that because you are consistent, but if you support ONLY an assault rifle ban, why don't you also support the removal of handguns?
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I support a FULL gun ban. A handgun should be classified as an assault weapon.

I agree with your premise. Many people that advocate gun control do not want to rustle feathers and support some milk toast gun control measure.
 
Bucky said:
I support a FULL gun ban. A handgun should be classified as an assault weapon.

I agree with your premise. Many people that advocate gun control do not want to rustle feathers and support some milk toast gun control measure.
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Will you be sitting safe and sound in your mom's basement while the men and women with guns (they still get guns, right) go door to door confiscating guns?
 
guru39 said:
After every large mass shooting, many people bring the argument back up that so-called assault rifles should be banned because they are the most common weapon of choice among those who commit mass shootings. While I understand where the argument is coming from, I am also aware that many more Americans die every year from handgun related crimes than from so-called assault rifles. The idea that ONLY so-called assault rifles should be banned is inconsistent unless an individual simply does not care about the victims of handgun related violence as much as they care about victims of assault rifle related violence. If you support a full gun ban, we can at least have a discussion about that because you are consistent, but if you support ONLY an assault rifle ban, why don't you also support the removal of handguns?
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First reason would be the limited range of a handgun. Second reason would be that a handgun death is usually a suicide, not a mass killing.
 
Rucker61 said:
Will you be sitting safe and sound in your mom's basement while the men and women with guns (they still get guns, right) go door to door confiscating guns?
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The majority of gun owners will voluntarily turn their guns in.

This will not be some sort of Armageddon. See Executive Order 6102 or Executive Order 9066. A civil war did not break out.

Those that do not follow the law are committing a crime. If "lawful" gun owners want to be outlaws, they will be sent where criminals go.
 
Bucky said:
The majority of gun owners will voluntarily turn their guns in.

This will not be some sort of Armageddon. See Executive Order 6102 or Executive Order 9066. A civil war did not break out.

Those that do not follow the law are committing a crime. If "lawful" gun owners want to be outlaws, they will be sent where criminals go.
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Here is an idea. Lock the real criminals up instead.
 
Bucky said:
I support a FULL gun ban. A handgun should be classified as an assault weapon.

I agree with your premise. Many people that advocate gun control do not want to rustle feathers and support some milk toast gun control measure.
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sounds delicious

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Bucky said:
The majority of gun owners will voluntarily turn their guns in.

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Let's say we do as well as Australia did, and get 70% of the guns turned in. That leaves 3 million ARs in the street. Are we any safer?
 
Bucky said:
The majority of gun owners will voluntarily turn their guns in.

This will not be some sort of Armageddon. See Executive Order 6102 or Executive Order 9066. A civil war did not break out.

Those that do not follow the law are committing a crime. If "lawful" gun owners want to be outlaws, they will be sent where criminals go.
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Come and get me.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Come and get me.
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It is actually fairly easy and simple.

Imagine a gun buyback program. You would see people waiting in line for hours, maybe days to turn in guns.
 
Bucky said:
It is actually fairly easy and simple.

Imagine a gun buyback program. You would see people waiting in line for hours, maybe days to turn in guns.
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hahahahahaha

Every time I think you couldn't post something more inane, you say "here, hold my beer".
 
Banning asault rifles will not stop mass murders or school shootings nor will it decrease the severity of the death toll. Look at the Virgina Tech shooter, we are all to forgetfull that he killed 32 people and injured 25 more all with two regular hand guns. A 9mm and 22 LR
 
Bucky said:
The majority of gun owners will voluntarily turn their guns in.

This will not be some sort of Armageddon. See Executive Order 6102 or Executive Order 9066. A civil war did not break out.

Those that do not follow the law are committing a crime. If "lawful" gun owners want to be outlaws, they will be sent where criminals go.
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So, you'd be happy if Trump developed a special branch of law enforcement to specifically go door to door and take the citizen's guns? You'd just smile and nod while all your neighbors gave up their only chance of standing up to a dictator? Wouldn't you even question what Trump was up to?
 
jdog21 said:
Banning asault rifles will not stop mass murders or school shootings nor will it decrease the severity of the death toll. Look at the Virgina Tech shooter, we are all to forgetfull that he killed 32 people and injured 25 more all with two regular hand guns. A 9mm and 22 LR
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The only way to prevent school shootings is to have multiple armed people at the school. The most cost effective way would be to let staff volunteer to enter a program that would train them and allow them to conceal carry on campus. It would be cost effective and would deter many would be shooters just knowing there was multiple armed people in the school and help limit the amount of carnage when they decide to do it anyway. 1 or 2 security guards isn't going to cut it for a large campus.

As far as gun violence in general:
Drug legalization
Prison reform
Criminal justice reform
More and better police in high crime areas
Improving education

Men take care of their responsibility as a father and get the single motherhood rate down.

The problem with gun violence in America is complex and we are focusing on the wrong thing. Guns are merely a tool, the issue driving crime and violence in this country are mainly due to prohibition (you think we would have learned by now) and socio-economic reasons.
 
HowardBThiname said:
So, you'd be happy if Trump developed a special branch of law enforcement to specifically go door to door and take the citizen's guns? You'd just smile and nod while all your neighbors gave up their only chance of standing up to a dictator? Wouldn't you even question what Trump was up to?
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"Trump is Hitler and a wannabe dictator, let's give him all our guns"

"Government is corrupt! Let's make it bigger!"

"It costs too much to raise a family of 4, Let's hike taxes and increase regulations on businesses"

Logic and reason have been missing in politics for quite awhile now.
 
Nap said:
"Trump is Hitler and a wannabe dictator, let's give him all our guns"

"Government is corrupt! Let's make it bigger!"

"It costs too much to raise a family of 4, Let's hike taxes and increase regulations on businesses"

Logic and reason have been missing in politics for quite awhile now.
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The funny thing is -- while they want guns confiscated -- they don't want Trump doing it. They would have been cheering if Obama had done it. They don't understand (or never learned) the history behind why our Founders ensured that we had the right to bear arms.

I see most of the confiscation people as similar to the ones who helped disarm the Jews pre-WWII Germany.

And, they won't look at the fact that we're seeing WAY too many shootings in public schools and that it just might be the way the schools are run (social caste system) that's triggering some of these shooters. We're not seeing shootings in small private schools or homeschools so -- but public school kids are flipping out. Someone ought to look a little deeper into that phenomena.
 
Bucky said:
I support a FULL gun ban. A handgun should be classified as an assault weapon.

I agree with your premise. Many people that advocate gun control do not want to rustle feathers and support some milk toast gun control measure.
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I gave you a LIKE for your honesty and straightforwardness.
I find it refreshing.
I may disagree with you, but honesty is the first part of an honest debate.
Never cared for those sneaky types that will never say what their true agenda is.
You left no doubt.....thank you.
 
HowardBThiname said:
So, you'd be happy if Trump developed a special branch of law enforcement to specifically go door to door and take the citizen's guns? You'd just smile and nod while all your neighbors gave up their only chance of standing up to a dictator? Wouldn't you even question what Trump was up to?
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"Stand up to a dictator."

My neighbor has a gun. Trump can send the national guard and tanks.
 
HowardBThiname said:
The funny thing is -- while they want guns confiscated -- they don't want Trump doing it. They would have been cheering if Obama had done it. They don't understand (or never learned) the history behind why our Founders ensured that we had the right to bear arms.

I see most of the confiscation people as similar to the ones who helped disarm the Jews pre-WWII Germany.

And, they won't look at the fact that we're seeing WAY too many shootings in public schools and that it just might be the way the schools are run (social caste system) that's triggering some of these shooters. We're not seeing shootings in small private schools or homeschools so -- but public school kids are flipping out. Someone ought to look a little deeper into that phenomena.
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How many school shooting has Germany, Finland, or Scotland had the past 10 years? The answer is zero.

No need to research this "phenomena."

Anyone buying a gun should pass a psychological and medical exam. Every student that applies to a public school should be required to take a yearly psychological test with psychologists hired in every school district requiring them to visit students with odd results.
 
HowardBThiname said:
The funny thing is -- while they want guns confiscated -- they don't want Trump doing it. They would have been cheering if Obama had done it. They don't understand (or never learned) the history behind why our Founders ensured that we had the right to bear arms.

I see most of the confiscation people as similar to the ones who helped disarm the Jews pre-WWII Germany.

And, they won't look at the fact that we're seeing WAY too many shootings in public schools and that it just might be the way the schools are run (social caste system) that's triggering some of these shooters. We're not seeing shootings in small private schools or homeschools so -- but public school kids are flipping out. Someone ought to look a little deeper into that phenomena.
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Most issues in America are socio-economic. Private schools are going to have more kids from middle class and wealthy families that will typically be 2 parent households so less likely to happen.
 
Nap said:
Most issues in America are socio-economic. Private schools are going to have more kids from middle class and wealthy families that will typically be 2 parent households so less likely to happen.
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While 2-parent households may play a role in a child being more stable, wealth, or the lack of it, doesn't seem to be a factor. One of the common threads seen in school shooters is a history of being bullied. Public schools play into the hands of bullies by heaping praise and value on athletes, which creates a caste system in which other children are left out. Go to any public school and find banners in hallways and pep assemblies that focus on the importance of competitive athletics. The jocks not only get the girls, they're also teachers' pets. None of that belongs in a school where taxpayers are footing the bill.

It's high time we reviewed and revised what's going on in our public schools -- not just because the kids coming out today are more illiterate than they've ever been, but because public schools are becoming a magnet for shootings. Something is very wrong there.
 
Bucky said:
How many school shooting has Germany, Finland, or Scotland had the past 10 years? The answer is zero.
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How many has Switzerland had? Zero, as well. Looks like gun ownership isn't the factor here.

No need to research this "phenomena."
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No need to research it if you're fine with all the school shootings that have been happening.

Anyone buying a gun should pass a psychological and medical exam. Every student that applies to a public school should be required to take a yearly psychological test with psychologists hired in every school district requiring them to visit students with odd results.
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A band-aid on a severed limb. A very expensive band-aid.

Meanwhile, the social caste system that exists within public schools continues to grow.
 
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