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The Assault Weapons Ban Is A Dumb Idea Pushed By Dumb People

CLAX1911 said:
go to any gun range or any gun show and tell me how many dead people there are there.
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The family of Chris Sykes wishes to disagree with you ...
 
CLAX1911 said:
Have you even read that? It's the most pointless bit of legislation I have ever seen. The AWB of 94 didn't ban anything as far as particular guns.

It said you couldn't have Superfluous features on them.

I think it was a placebo.
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here is what happened. For years the gun banner movement targeted pistols. Their arguments were this-many of the points are factually accurate

1) pistols are used in most firearms murders and suicides
2) pistols are easily concealable and are the choice for almost all firearms crimes involving robbery, kidnapping, rape and menacing.
3) pistols are not popular for Hunting (this is changing) and are not all that accurate (in the hands of amateurs and compared to rifles)
4) many pistols are poorly made and cheap
5) pistols are not militia weapons (this of course is not true)

SO the move to ban pistols started 50 or so years ago-but FDR wanted them included in the 1934 De Facto ban. However, despite the crime stats the anti pistol movement has waned and by the mid 1980s it was dead. So the VPC and its scumbag leader, Josh Sugarman decided to target "assault weapons" by pretending they were the same weapons that had inundated Hollywood "action" films like Rambo, Scarface, Delta Force, Predator, Commando, Platoon and other films that had huge round counts fired through full automatic weapons. But how do you ban "assault weapons" without banning all semi autos which would never pass? You ban weapons that LOOK like Military weapons because Military subcontractors are an easy and cheap source of things like barrels stocks, etc for semi auto rifles

so the AWB banned semi autos based on idiotic arguments that pistol grips, flash hiders, bayonet lugs (which also attach the barrel in some cases to the hand guard) made these weapons more dangerous. The main goal was to set a precedent where guns could be banned for arbitrary reasons such as stocks or magazine capacities so that more restrictive bans could be implemented.
 
NIMBY said:
The family of Chris Sykes wishes to disagree with you ...
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wow, that is like saying no one should go to an ER room because people have died from medical mistakes there

ONE CASE in what 25 years? Lets guess at man-hours spent at gun ranges by Americans over the last 5 years. I suspect its in the many millions.
 
TurtleDude said:
wow, that is like saying no one should go to an ER room because people have died from medical mistakes there

ONE CASE in what 25 years? Lets guess at man-hours spent at gun ranges by Americans over the last 5 years. I suspect its in the many millions.
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You've removed yourself from credibility with your latest round of accepting the slaughter of our students as acceptable 'collateral damage' so you can have your WMDs, Weapons of Massacre and Death ...
 
NIMBY said:
You've removed yourself from credibility with your latest round of accepting the slaughter of our students as acceptable 'collateral damage' so you can have your WMDs, Weapons of Massacre and Death ...
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BS-I have no duty to piss on my rights just so whiners who hate the NRA can pretend they are DOING SOMETHING. Calling a rifle a WMD is going to be what destroys someone's credibility
 
TurtleDude said:
BS-I have no duty to piss on my rights just so whiners who hate the NRA can pretend they are DOING SOMETHING. Calling a rifle a WMD is going to be what destroys someone's credibility
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Does your trump have a right to piss on the graves of our slaughtered students?
Our students will take back this Nation from accepting them as 'collateral damage'.

BOTUSAs are Bastardizers Of Their Unholy Second Amendment.
WMDs are indeed Weapons of Massacre and Death.

The Never Responsible Annihilators deserve every bit of hatred they've generated since the Cincinnati Rebellion 40 some years ago that you've stated didn't go far enough.

You have proven yourself time and again to be part of the problem, not part of the solution ...
 
TurtleDude said:
here is what happened. For years the gun banner movement targeted pistols. Their arguments were this-many of the points are factually accurate

1) pistols are used in most firearms murders and suicides
2) pistols are easily concealable and are the choice for almost all firearms crimes involving robbery, kidnapping, rape and menacing.
3) pistols are not popular for Hunting (this is changing) and are not all that accurate (in the hands of amateurs and compared to rifles)
4) many pistols are poorly made and cheap
5) pistols are not militia weapons (this of course is not true)

SO the move to ban pistols started 50 or so years ago-but FDR wanted them included in the 1934 De Facto ban. However, despite the crime stats the anti pistol movement has waned and by the mid 1980s it was dead. So the VPC and its scumbag leader, Josh Sugarman decided to target "assault weapons" by pretending they were the same weapons that had inundated Hollywood "action" films like Rambo, Scarface, Delta Force, Predator, Commando, Platoon and other films that had huge round counts fired through full automatic weapons. But how do you ban "assault weapons" without banning all semi autos which would never pass? You ban weapons that LOOK like Military weapons because Military subcontractors are an easy and cheap source of things like barrels stocks, etc for semi auto rifles

so the AWB banned semi autos based on idiotic arguments that pistol grips, flash hiders, bayonet lugs (which also attach the barrel in some cases to the hand guard) made these weapons more dangerous. The main goal was to set a precedent where guns could be banned for arbitrary reasons such as stocks or magazine capacities so that more restrictive bans could be implemented.
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Yep, I can remember when handguns were the target of demonization. Gun banners railed against them in nearly identical manner as they rail against modern sporting rifles today. All the while so sincerely assuring us that they weren't trying to interfere with ownership of rifles or shotguns. Just those evil handguns that had no purpose other than to kill.

I think their trouble was that even a great many people who one might think would be on board with a handgun ban and another large number of people who weren't even gun enthusiasts still weren't too enthused about giving up that .38 they kept in their nightstand. Handguns weren't as soft a target as was imagined.

So the banners switched their sights to rifles and demonstrated the worthless nature of the sincerity they had expressed during their handgun campaigns.
 
RF667799 said:
Yep, I can remember when handguns were the target of demonization. Gun banners railed against them in nearly identical manner as they rail against modern sporting rifles today. All the while so sincerely assuring us that they weren't trying to interfere with ownership of rifles or shotguns. Just those evil handguns that had no purpose other than to kill.

I think their trouble was that even a great many people who one might think would be on board with a handgun ban and another large number of people who weren't even gun enthusiasts still weren't too enthused about giving up that .38 they kept in their nightstand. Handguns weren't as soft a target as was imagined.

So the banners switched their sights to rifles and demonstrated the worthless nature of the sincerity they had expressed during their handgun campaigns.
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Ban handguns because

1) they are cheap
2) easy to conceal
3) are not really for hunting
4) are not "militia useful"
5) are used in most crimes that feature a firearm
6) they aren't really accurate
7) they aren't ideal for home defense

Ban Rifles because
1) they are expensive
2) they are hard to conceal
3) they are rarely cheap
4) they are militia useful-some were military issue (MI carbine)
5) they are accurate
6) they are often used for hunting
7) they are not used in many gun crimes


get the idea its about Banning GUNS period!
 
NIMBY said:
Does your trump have a right to piss on the graves of our slaughtered students?
Our students will take back this Nation from accepting them as 'collateral damage'.

BOTUSAs are Bastardizers Of Their Unholy Second Amendment.
WMDs are indeed Weapons of Massacre and Death.

The Never Responsible Annihilators deserve every bit of hatred they've generated since the Cincinnati Rebellion 40 some years ago that you've stated didn't go far enough.

You have proven yourself time and again to be part of the problem, not part of the solution ...
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In the last 20 years, how many school age (K -12) children have been killed at school by someone using an "assault weapon"?
 
“Like most rights, the 2d Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep & carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever & for whatever purpose”

Was it Obama who said this? He was right!
 
Rucker61 said:
In the last 20 years, how many school age (K -12) children have been killed at school by someone using an "assault weapon"?
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Far too many. How many do you find tolerable so you can keep your toy?
 
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