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A high school teacher's thoughts on Florida shooting

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I am a high school teacher living and working in Louisiana.

I am a southern born conservative, who years ago rejected party politics. I am not a partisan, and I have no political loyalties.

My father was an NRA member for decades, but after Sandy Hook, when I was first beginning to teach, he told me he could no longer give money to an organization which refused to address this real issue.

My father is one of the most conservative people I personally know. He and I argue constantly about taxation, spending, militarism, etc., yet on this issue, we are in agreement.

The NRA is not a force protecting gun rights. It is an organization which shields manufacturers and distributors, not owners.

We have a crisis in this nation, born of desperation and hateful rhetoric. This is the same cause for the rise of fascism and Trump. The same cause for the perpetuation of our historically inherited sectarian struggles.

Our schools are highly organized, structured and rigid. They are designed and scheduled with this concern in mind, that at any time, some crazed or distraught individual could harm dozens of our children on a whim. Because they certainly will have access to the tools to make that easy.

A crazed teen with a knife is much less dangerous than one with a long-rifle.

I am southern, I hunt, (especially ducks), I fish, (brim and perch are delicious!), i own guns. I advocate for responsible gun laws.

I would voluntarily register my weapons. I would submit to mental health screening. I would apply for licenses for those firearms were they mandated.

I am an anarchist. I believe in resistance to illegitimate authority. I believe violence is sometimes necessary and appropriate to preserve liberty.

Why is it so difficult for gun-rights advocates to give some ground on this issue? Innocent children are dead, again. Dozens have been killed this year alone.

This is not an issue isolated to firearm availability. That is only one VERY LARGE aspect of this issue.

This is an issue of mental health, and the causes for distress among Americans. The causes are clear. Economic anxiety, a fear-culture propagated by the media and state for the purpose of control, segmentation of society and communities along arbitrary grounds, xenophobia and isolationist culture, interpersonal politics, the structure of the classroom-to-retail education for the lucky, the classroom-to-prison pipeline for the unlucky.

This is a cultural issue, and a large part of that culture is born of this refusal to even address, discuss and consider legislative solutions and voluntary sacrifices to make the nation a safer, healthier place.

I would give up every gun I had, every future morning on the lake or in the woods, if it meant one of these 17 kids would still be alive today.

I'll cut this short, because it's hard to write without thinking about my kids and my students and what it would feel like to have this happen where I teach.
 
Interesting post BreadC.

I can agree that part of the issue is mental health. What your post is missing is any role parent play. The problem of shootings, drug use, starts at home or lack there of. Parents are the ones who have to act to correct this National problem.
 
I am a high school teacher living and working in Louisiana.

I am a southern born conservative, who years ago rejected party politics. I am not a partisan, and I have no political loyalties.

My father was an NRA member for decades, but after Sandy Hook, when I was first beginning to teach, he told me he could no longer give money to an organization which refused to address this real issue.

My father is one of the most conservative people I personally know. He and I argue constantly about taxation, spending, militarism, etc., yet on this issue, we are in agreement.

The NRA is not a force protecting gun rights. It is an organization which shields manufacturers and distributors, not owners.

We have a crisis in this nation, born of desperation and hateful rhetoric. This is the same cause for the rise of fascism and Trump. The same cause for the perpetuation of our historically inherited sectarian struggles.

Our schools are highly organized, structured and rigid. They are designed and scheduled with this concern in mind, that at any time, some crazed or distraught individual could harm dozens of our children on a whim. Because they certainly will have access to the tools to make that easy.

A crazed teen with a knife is much less dangerous than one with a long-rifle.

I am southern, I hunt, (especially ducks), I fish, (brim and perch are delicious!), i own guns. I advocate for responsible gun laws.

I would voluntarily register my weapons. I would submit to mental health screening. I would apply for licenses for those firearms were they mandated.

I am an anarchist
. I believe in resistance to illegitimate authority. I believe violence is sometimes necessary and appropriate to preserve liberty.

Why is it so difficult for gun-rights advocates to give some ground on this issue? Innocent children are dead, again. Dozens have been killed this year alone.

This is not an issue isolated to firearm availability. That is only one VERY LARGE aspect of this issue.

This is an issue of mental health, and the causes for distress among Americans. The causes are clear. Economic anxiety, a fear-culture propagated by the media and state for the purpose of control, segmentation of society and communities along arbitrary grounds, xenophobia and isolationist culture, interpersonal politics, the structure of the classroom-to-retail education for the lucky, the classroom-to-prison pipeline for the unlucky.

This is a cultural issue, and a large part of that culture is born of this refusal to even address, discuss and consider legislative solutions and voluntary sacrifices to make the nation a safer, healthier place.

I would give up every gun I had, every future morning on the lake or in the woods, if it meant one of these 17 kids would still be alive today.

I'll cut this short, because it's hard to write without thinking about my kids and my students and what it would feel like to have this happen where I teach.

May I ask what subject you teach?
 
Interesting post BreadC.

I can agree that part of the issue is mental health. What your post is missing is any role parent play. The problem of shootings, drug use, starts at home or lack there of. Parents are the ones who have to act to correct this National problem.

What about the parents that are doing a good job, and find out their kid was killed in one of these shootings? We can't just say parents should do it and think that solves a problem. Some parents aren't going to take care of their children properly, but that shouldn't put other kids at risk. As a society we need to figure out some real solutions.
 
I am a high school teacher living and working in Louisiana.

I am a southern born conservative, who years ago rejected party politics. I am not a partisan, and I have no political loyalties.

My father was an NRA member for decades, but after Sandy Hook, when I was first beginning to teach, he told me he could no longer give money to an organization which refused to address this real issue.

My father is one of the most conservative people I personally know. He and I argue constantly about taxation, spending, militarism, etc., yet on this issue, we are in agreement.

The NRA is not a force protecting gun rights. It is an organization which shields manufacturers and distributors, not owners.

We have a crisis in this nation, born of desperation and hateful rhetoric. This is the same cause for the rise of fascism and Trump. The same cause for the perpetuation of our historically inherited sectarian struggles.

Our schools are highly organized, structured and rigid. They are designed and scheduled with this concern in mind, that at any time, some crazed or distraught individual could harm dozens of our children on a whim. Because they certainly will have access to the tools to make that easy.

A crazed teen with a knife is much less dangerous than one with a long-rifle.

I am southern, I hunt, (especially ducks), I fish, (brim and perch are delicious!), i own guns. I advocate for responsible gun laws.

I would voluntarily register my weapons. I would submit to mental health screening. I would apply for licenses for those firearms were they mandated.

I am an anarchist. I believe in resistance to illegitimate authority. I believe violence is sometimes necessary and appropriate to preserve liberty.

Why is it so difficult for gun-rights advocates to give some ground on this issue? Innocent children are dead, again. Dozens have been killed this year alone.

This is not an issue isolated to firearm availability. That is only one VERY LARGE aspect of this issue.

This is an issue of mental health, and the causes for distress among Americans. The causes are clear. Economic anxiety, a fear-culture propagated by the media and state for the purpose of control, segmentation of society and communities along arbitrary grounds, xenophobia and isolationist culture, interpersonal politics, the structure of the classroom-to-retail education for the lucky, the classroom-to-prison pipeline for the unlucky.

This is a cultural issue, and a large part of that culture is born of this refusal to even address, discuss and consider legislative solutions and voluntary sacrifices to make the nation a safer, healthier place.

I would give up every gun I had, every future morning on the lake or in the woods, if it meant one of these 17 kids would still be alive today.

I'll cut this short, because it's hard to write without thinking about my kids and my students and what it would feel like to have this happen where I teach.

Well done! A thoughtful articulation of the issues we face. I bet you are an outstanding teacher.

Welcome to DP! Please post often.
 
Interesting post BreadC.

I can agree that part of the issue is mental health. What your post is missing is any role parent play. The problem of shootings, drug use, starts at home or lack there of. Parents are the ones who have to act to correct this National problem.

Sorry, but while I agree this is part of the problem, to think it is all of the problem is a weak abdication of social and political responsibility.

There are actions all of us can take and need to take. This idea that guns, which are fundamentally machines designed to kill, are beyond the reproach of regulation is an absurd idea that must be consistently refuted.

Here is one case where if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. What can you do? Call, write, e-mail or post on the website of your congressman, senator AND state legislature the message that the status quo is woefully unacceptable AND changes need to be made (feel free to tell them what changes you would advocate).

You can start here: https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative
 
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What about the parents that are doing a good job, and find out their kid was killed in one of these shootings? We can't just say parents should do it and think that solves a problem. Some parents aren't going to take care of their children properly, but that shouldn't put other kids at risk. As a society we need to figure out some real solutions.

I should have been more clear. The problem is not with the parents doing a good job. It is the ones that are not. Shouldn't a parent be the first to recognize their kid has a problem/issue?

What we should not look at is for the "government" to be the only source to solve the issue. Passing a new law or regulation does not always fix the issue. If it did we would not have robberies, murders, speeding, etc.

I stand by my point. The solution starts with the parents.
 
Sorry, but while I agree this is part of the problem, to think it is all of the problem is a weak, abdication of our social and political responsibility. There are actions all of us can take and need to take. This idea that guns, which are fundamentally machines designed to kill, are beyond the reproach of regulation is an absurd idea that must be consistently refuted.

the idea that firearms are the problem is an absurd idea and needs to be consistently refuted.

Particularly when it comes to mental health.
 
Sorry, but while I agree this is part of the problem, to think it is all of the problem is a weak, abdication of our social and political responsibility.

There are actions all of us can take and need to take. This idea that guns, which are fundamentally machines designed to kill, are beyond the reproach of regulation is an absurd idea that must be consistently refuted.

Here is one case where if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. What can you do? Call, write, e-mail or post on the website of your congressman, senator AND state legislature the message that the status quo is woefully unacceptable AND changes need to be made (feel free to tell them what changes you would advocate).

You can start here: https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative

The gun isn't the problem.
 
I should have been more clear. The problem is not with the parents doing a good job. It is the ones that are not. Shouldn't a parent be the first to recognize their kid has a problem/issue?

What we should not look at is for the "government" to be the only source to solve the issue. Passing a new law or regulation does not always fix the issue. If it did we would not have robberies, murders, speeding, etc.

I stand by my point. The solution starts with the parents.

How is that enforceable? A solution needs to solve a problem. Saying that parents just need to change is about the same as the thoughts and prayers stuff. It sounds good and all, but it doesn't actually address the problem.
 
I am a high school teacher living and working in Louisiana.

I am a southern born conservative, who years ago rejected party politics. I am not a partisan, and I have no political loyalties.

My father was an NRA member for decades, but after Sandy Hook, when I was first beginning to teach, he told me he could no longer give money to an organization which refused to address this real issue.

My father is one of the most conservative people I personally know. He and I argue constantly about taxation, spending, militarism, etc., yet on this issue, we are in agreement.

The NRA is not a force protecting gun rights. It is an organization which shields manufacturers and distributors, not owners.

We have a crisis in this nation, born of desperation and hateful rhetoric. This is the same cause for the rise of fascism and Trump. The same cause for the perpetuation of our historically inherited sectarian struggles.

Our schools are highly organized, structured and rigid. They are designed and scheduled with this concern in mind, that at any time, some crazed or distraught individual could harm dozens of our children on a whim. Because they certainly will have access to the tools to make that easy.

A crazed teen with a knife is much less dangerous than one with a long-rifle.

I am southern, I hunt, (especially ducks), I fish, (brim and perch are delicious!), i own guns. I advocate for responsible gun laws.

I would voluntarily register my weapons. I would submit to mental health screening. I would apply for licenses for those firearms were they mandated.

I am an anarchist. I believe in resistance to illegitimate authority. I believe violence is sometimes necessary and appropriate to preserve liberty.

Why is it so difficult for gun-rights advocates to give some ground on this issue? Innocent children are dead, again. Dozens have been killed this year alone.

This is not an issue isolated to firearm availability. That is only one VERY LARGE aspect of this issue.

This is an issue of mental health, and the causes for distress among Americans. The causes are clear. Economic anxiety, a fear-culture propagated by the media and state for the purpose of control, segmentation of society and communities along arbitrary grounds, xenophobia and isolationist culture, interpersonal politics, the structure of the classroom-to-retail education for the lucky, the classroom-to-prison pipeline for the unlucky.

This is a cultural issue, and a large part of that culture is born of this refusal to even address, discuss and consider legislative solutions and voluntary sacrifices to make the nation a safer, healthier place.

I would give up every gun I had, every future morning on the lake or in the woods, if it meant one of these 17 kids would still be alive today.

I'll cut this short, because it's hard to write without thinking about my kids and my students and what it would feel like to have this happen where I teach.


The reason that gun advocates like myself will "give no ground on this issue".. is because none of your suggestions will do one thing to alleviate the problem..and in some cases may make things worse.
 
I am a high school teacher living and working in Louisiana.

I am a southern born conservative, who years ago rejected party politics. I am not a partisan, and I have no political loyalties.

My father was an NRA member for decades, but after Sandy Hook, when I was first beginning to teach, he told me he could no longer give money to an organization which refused to address this real issue.

My father is one of the most conservative people I personally know. He and I argue constantly about taxation, spending, militarism, etc., yet on this issue, we are in agreement.

The NRA is not a force protecting gun rights. It is an organization which shields manufacturers and distributors, not owners.

We have a crisis in this nation, born of desperation and hateful rhetoric. This is the same cause for the rise of fascism and Trump. The same cause for the perpetuation of our historically inherited sectarian struggles.

Our schools are highly organized, structured and rigid. They are designed and scheduled with this concern in mind, that at any time, some crazed or distraught individual could harm dozens of our children on a whim. Because they certainly will have access to the tools to make that easy.

A crazed teen with a knife is much less dangerous than one with a long-rifle.

I am southern, I hunt, (especially ducks), I fish, (brim and perch are delicious!), i own guns. I advocate for responsible gun laws.

I would voluntarily register my weapons. I would submit to mental health screening. I would apply for licenses for those firearms were they mandated.

I am an anarchist. I believe in resistance to illegitimate authority. I believe violence is sometimes necessary and appropriate to preserve liberty.

Why is it so difficult for gun-rights advocates to give some ground on this issue? Innocent children are dead, again. Dozens have been killed this year alone.

This is not an issue isolated to firearm availability. That is only one VERY LARGE aspect of this issue.

This is an issue of mental health, and the causes for distress among Americans. The causes are clear. Economic anxiety, a fear-culture propagated by the media and state for the purpose of control, segmentation of society and communities along arbitrary grounds, xenophobia and isolationist culture, interpersonal politics, the structure of the classroom-to-retail education for the lucky, the classroom-to-prison pipeline for the unlucky.

This is a cultural issue, and a large part of that culture is born of this refusal to even address, discuss and consider legislative solutions and voluntary sacrifices to make the nation a safer, healthier place.

I would give up every gun I had, every future morning on the lake or in the woods, if it meant one of these 17 kids would still be alive today.

I'll cut this short, because it's hard to write without thinking about my kids and my students and what it would feel like to have this happen where I teach.

I've already given more ground than I wanted to. I'll give no more.
 
The reason that gun advocates like myself will "give no ground on this issue".. is because none of your suggestions will do one thing to alleviate the problem..and in some cases may make things worse.

Nor will they stop at the next infringement. Their idea of compromise is us giving them something while getting nothing. Give them a 10 round mag limit, then they'll try and pull a New Jersey.

Not another inch, no truce with the shadow.
 
Sorry, but while I agree this is part of the problem, to think it is all of the problem is a weak abdication of social and political responsibility.

There are actions all of us can take and need to take. This idea that guns, which are fundamentally machines designed to kill, are beyond the reproach of regulation is an absurd idea that must be consistently refuted.

Here is one case where if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. What can you do? Call, write, e-mail or post on the website of your congressman, senator AND state legislature the message that the status quo is woefully unacceptable AND changes need to be made (feel free to tell them what changes you would advocate).

You can start here: https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative

Some regulations can help. But I got to ask, for example: how effective have laws been to stop robberies? We pass laws and regulations all the time. It does not stop someone from carrying out a crime.

You do know there are regulations in place purchasing and owning a firearm? Some States and local governments even have laws on how the firearm is to be secured in the home.

So what is your solution you want our elected leaders to enact?
 
How is that enforceable? A solution needs to solve a problem. Saying that parents just need to change is about the same as the thoughts and prayers stuff. It sounds good and all, but it doesn't actually address the problem.

How is any law or regulation "enforceable"?
 
The gun isn't the problem.

No. Crazy people having easy access to guns is a problem.

I think these two things are true:
We will always have crazy people. We will always have guns.

So, as a society, what should we do?
 
Sorry, but while I agree this is part of the problem, to think it is all of the problem is a weak abdication of social and political responsibility.

There are actions all of us can take and need to take. This idea that guns, which are fundamentally machines designed to kill, are beyond the reproach of regulation is an absurd idea that must be consistently refuted.

Here is one case where if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. What can you do? Call, write, e-mail or post on the website of your congressman, senator AND state legislature the message that the status quo is woefully unacceptable AND changes need to be made (feel free to tell them what changes you would advocate).

You can start here: https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative

You folks that insist that the rest of us are stupid need to come up with a viable solution, because we aren't surrendering our constitutional rights to make you feel good. The blood is y'alls hands.
 
No. Crazy people having easy access to guns is a problem.

I think these two things are true:
We will always have crazy people. We will always have guns.

So, as a society, what should we do?

Start executing more murderers.
 
No. Crazy people having easy access to guns is a problem.

I think these two things are true:
We will always have crazy people. We will always have guns.

So, as a society, what should we do?

Do what we can to reduce the number of "crazy" people.

Better mental health screening. Changing our cultural beliefs about mental health, better insurance coverage for mental health issues, more research on mental health treatments,

All effective solutions.
 
I am a high school teacher living and working in Louisiana.

I am a southern born conservative, who years ago rejected party politics. I am not a partisan, and I have no political loyalties.

My father was an NRA member for decades, but after Sandy Hook, when I was first beginning to teach, he told me he could no longer give money to an organization which refused to address this real issue.

My father is one of the most conservative people I personally know. He and I argue constantly about taxation, spending, militarism, etc., yet on this issue, we are in agreement.

The NRA is not a force protecting gun rights. It is an organization which shields manufacturers and distributors, not owners.

We have a crisis in this nation, born of desperation and hateful rhetoric. This is the same cause for the rise of fascism and Trump. The same cause for the perpetuation of our historically inherited sectarian struggles.

Our schools are highly organized, structured and rigid. They are designed and scheduled with this concern in mind, that at any time, some crazed or distraught individual could harm dozens of our children on a whim. Because they certainly will have access to the tools to make that easy.

A crazed teen with a knife is much less dangerous than one with a long-rifle.

I am southern, I hunt, (especially ducks), I fish, (brim and perch are delicious!), i own guns. I advocate for responsible gun laws.

I would voluntarily register my weapons. I would submit to mental health screening. I would apply for licenses for those firearms were they mandated.

I am an anarchist. I believe in resistance to illegitimate authority. I believe violence is sometimes necessary and appropriate to preserve liberty.

Why is it so difficult for gun-rights advocates to give some ground on this issue? Innocent children are dead, again. Dozens have been killed this year alone.

This is not an issue isolated to firearm availability. That is only one VERY LARGE aspect of this issue.

This is an issue of mental health, and the causes for distress among Americans. The causes are clear. Economic anxiety, a fear-culture propagated by the media and state for the purpose of control, segmentation of society and communities along arbitrary grounds, xenophobia and isolationist culture, interpersonal politics, the structure of the classroom-to-retail education for the lucky, the classroom-to-prison pipeline for the unlucky.

This is a cultural issue, and a large part of that culture is born of this refusal to even address, discuss and consider legislative solutions and voluntary sacrifices to make the nation a safer, healthier place.

I would give up every gun I had, every future morning on the lake or in the woods, if it meant one of these 17 kids would still be alive today.

I'll cut this short, because it's hard to write without thinking about my kids and my students and what it would feel like to have this happen where I teach.

*grumble* *grumble* *grumble* FREEDUMB!!
*grumble* *grumble* *grumble* LIBERTEH!!
*grumble* *grumble* *grumble* MUH MILITARY-GRADE WEAPONS
 
The gun isn't the problem.

That is a nice, well-out, complete answer. Thank you for your contribution.

Meanwhile, I will repost what I wrote on another thread.....

At least 35 additional casualties (at least 17 dead and 18 wounded) in the struggle to maintain unfettered gun rights.

Unfortunately, these "soldiers" did not sign up for this struggle. Some more "hopes, prayers, moments of silence" and other shallow responses.... sweep this under the rug like all the others and move on. The inconvenient truth is guns are machines of killing. They need some level of regulation greater than we have now.

Oh, but if someone of arab descent were behind this.... travel bans and immigration restrictions would be the response. We are still far, far, far more likely to die violent at the hands of a American with a gun than an Arab with any other type of weapon.

Las Vegas shooting adds to sobering US gun violence statistics - BI
CAUSES OF DEATH: How much terrorism threatens American lives - BI

When will our congress actually tackle the real issues of America?

Let the usual suspects stand in outrage at these comments. But let them also explain why this continues to go completely unchecked...and why this is the 19th school shooting of 2018. Sorry, but each needless random shooting will be called out, with the NRA, who almost single-handedly has stymied congress * from reasonable action, in the cross-hairs of blame.

There have already been 18 school shootings in the US this year - ABC News

Shame on all of us that have not pressured our congress to make changes, shame on the NRA for being irresponsible advocates of gun ownership and safety, shame on the NRA members for not holding that organization more accountable. We (and the NRA and its members) all have additional blood on their hands.

* - though our ***** leaders in Washington ultimately at fault. It is their job to tell the NRA to go ..... whatever.


Sorry, but guns are tools of death. They are in the wrong hands. They are part of the problem. A hard, honest look at guns is part of the answer.....

"guns are not the answer" is a major part of the problem. Those that have this attitude have blood on their hands.
 
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Interesting post BreadC.

I can agree that part of the issue is mental health. What your post is missing is any role parent play. The problem of shootings, drug use, starts at home or lack there of. Parents are the ones who have to act to correct this National problem.

A society cannot simply depend upon individuals to meet the minimum standard of behavior. We have to encourage it, not just expect it.

Of course parents play a role, that is part of the interpersonal politics. I should have been more clear. Family dynamics fall into that category in my mind.

Helping young people with poor family lives would be a major help, but it cannot be the only part of a comprehensive solution.
 
Start executing more murderers.

Crazy people don't care about that, and in general the death penalty has not been shown to be a deterrent.

NOTE: I'm not against the death penalty when it's fairly and justly applied.
 
May I ask what subject you teach?

It depends on the year.

Some years I teach Social Studies, some years ELA.

I'm certified to teach everything but AP and Dual-enrollment math.

This year they have me doing several blocks of ELA and a few civics classes.
 
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