Realistic Gun Control Options

celticwar17 said:

I think they have a more stable culture in Europe, and it's more homogeneous(More people who follow said culture). I think it will start to change... as it has been already , after mass migration of people with very different values. Rapes and violent crime are up significantly.

You also assume Europe is even more liberal than the USA.... and I actually don't think that is necessarily the case... their politics might fancy American Liberals more... but that's just because Europe is more of a class based society than America is.

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dobieg said:

This is why we usually don't take your side seriously. Around 40% of all guns are semi-auto and they have been around for 100 years. The majority of them are hunting rifles.

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Spartacus FPV said:

When did I ask for live ordnance? They are not protected by the 2A. Sorry that I do not resemble your straw man.



A few rounds, 3 rounds, is not enough against multiple assailants; to me its not even enough for one. The fact that you would limit the law abiding to this, is why we won't give you another inch.

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Some people actually give a **** about liberty, and are disgusted that you would stand on the graves of children in order to justify your emotional appeals to attack our rights, while trying to paint us as the heartless ones.

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“Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited…. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose...

Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

“We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. Miller (an earlier case) said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those “in common use at the time”. We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of ‘dangerous and unusual weapons.’ ”

The court even recognizes a long-standing judicial precedent “…to consider… prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons.”
-Antonin Scalia, opinion in Heller vs. DC

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Most handguns have more than 3 rounds. What are you trying to protect against? An army?

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ataraxia said:

What just happened in Australia with their weapons buy-back program says otherwise.

Gun Control in Australia, Updated - FactCheck.org

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gdgyva said:

there isnt a law you can put on the books to change whether or not a crime will be committed imo

you can identify people with emotional issues, and make it harder for them to acquire weapons of mass destruction....but maybe instead of a gun, they use a ryder truck and run down 20-30 people....

part of the issue is the complete lack of funding we have now for mental health in the states...there are virtually no places to warehouse these people...or so few beds that the capacity is maxxed, and there is no room

we need to add a BUNCH of money in this area....and start looking at kids at 12 years and older who show a propensity for violence

i hate to say it, but i also think the number of video games and types that kids have grown up with in the last 25-35 years have a lot to do with their attitude towards death and killing...just my opinion of course...and probably not a popular one

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azgreg said:

I get what you're saying but that's not the point of the picture. The top gun is on Dianne Feinstein's ban list while the bottom one isn't. They both function exactly the same. In order to have an effective discussion everybody needs to be on the same dictionary.

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Kreton said:

I am curious what realistic gun control options people are hoping for?

Please post your ideas and how it would effectively reduce crime or mass shootings.

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Carleen said:

Until the government stops being funded by the NRA there can be no serious discussion.

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Polar Bum said:

Now you are playing dirty.....using facts and logic?? :mrgreen:

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Grand Mal said:

Well, there's also Canada. And Australia and New Zealand (though I don't know how 'liberal' Australia is). Canada, by American standards, is very liberal and has a diverse population- 20% of Canadians were born elsewhere.
There's something very different, obviously, between American culture and nearly everywhere else but I don't think it's ideological. American ideology just isn't that unique. The difference is elsewhere.

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Carleen said:

Until the government stops being funded by the NRA there can be no serious discussion.

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celticwar17 said:

Canada is significantly more homogeneous...and A lot of Canadian immigrants are Chinese... which have a VERY conservative culture.

I am not talking about Ideology... I am talking about duality of Order/Control/status quo vrs. Chaos/Free/Embracing New Things

It is ABSOLUTELY a result of this.

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Kreton said:

Why not? As much as I hate how much our government is for sale discussions should still be being had.

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azgreg said:

For the sake of discussion I should disclose that I'm pro 2A. However, I'm fine with what would be considered reasonable restrictions.

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vegas giants said:

Europe does not have these same problems

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azgreg said:

I get what you're saying but that's not the point of the picture. The top gun is on Dianne Feinstein's ban list while the bottom one isn't. They both function exactly the same. In order to have an effective discussion everybody needs to be on the same dictionary.

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Polar Bum said:

As a political donor, the NRA does not even crack the top 20 or 30




●Tom Steyer
Hedge fund founder

Democratic
$66.3 million
Miriam & Sheldon Adelson
Medical professional; Casino magnate

Republican
$52.7 million
S. Donald Sussman
Hedge fund manager

Democratic
$36.8 million
Fred Eychaner
Media company owner

Democratic
$33.1 million
Robert Mercer
Technologist and hedge fund manager

Republican
$21.2 million
Michael Bloomberg
Former New York City mayor

Independent
$20.1 million
●Paul Singer
Hedge fund executive

Republican
$19.8 million
Marilyn & James Simons
Hedge fund manager

Democratic
$18.5 million
George Soros
Hedge fund founder

Democratic
$17.5 million
Dustin Moskovitz & Cari Tuna
Philanthropist; Facebook co-founder

Democratic
$17.3 million
M.K. & J.B.Pritzker
Investor; philanthropist

Democratic
$16.4 million
Maurice "Hank" Greenberg
Former chairman of AIG

Republican
$15.3 million *
Elizabeth & Richard Uihlein
Founders of Wisconsin-based packaging company

Republican
$14.9 million
Marlene & Joe Ricketts
Philanthropist; TD Ameritrade founder

Republican
$14.4 million
Ronald Cameron
Arkansas-based poultry company owner

Republican
$13.9 million *
Kenneth C. Griffin
Hedge fund manager

Republican
$11.6 million
Warren Stephens
Arkansas-based investment banker

Republican
$11.2 million
Cheryl & Haim Saban
Women's advocate/author; Univision chairman

Democratic
$11.1 million
Daniel Abraham
Slim-Fast founder

Democratic
$10 million
Diane Hendricks
Roofing company co-founder

Republican
$9.1 million
Bernard Marcus
Home Depot co-founder

Republican
$8.4 million
Laure Woods
Retired medical consultant; philanthropist

Democratic
$7.9 million
Environment America
Environmental advocacy group

Democratic
$7.7 million
Norman Braman
Auto dealership owner/former Philadelphia Eagles owner

Republican
$7.3 million
The Wilks family
Energy and real estate magnates

Republican
$7 million
Marsha & Henry Laufer
Speech pathologist; former hedge fund scientist

Democratic
$6.7 million
Alexandra & Steven Cohen
Philanthropist; hedge fund manager

Republican
$6.3 million
Robert McNair
Energy company founder

Republican
$6.1 million
Charles Koch
Koch Industries chief executive

Republican
$6 million
The Devos family
Amway co-founder and family

Republican
$5.1 million
Jerrold Perenchio
Former Univision chief executive

Republican
$5.1 million
Lawrence Ellison
Oracle co-founder

Republican
$5.1 million
Jeffrey Yass
Founder of investment company

Republican
$4.7 million
Bernard Schwartz
Former head of Loral Space & Communications

Democratic
$4.3 million
Michael Vlock
Investor/husband of billionaire Karen Pritzker

Republican
$4.3 million
Jon Stryker
Philanthropist/architect

Democratic
$4.2 million
Leonard Blavatnik
Russian-born investor/owner of Warner Music Group

Republican
$3.8 million *
William Obernorf
San Francisco investment manager

Republican
$3.7 million
Benjamin Leon Jr.
Founder of health-care company

Republican
$3.5 million *
David E. Shaw
Hedge fund founder

Democratic
$3.5 million
●Alexander Soros
Philanthropist; son of George Soros

Democratic
$3.3 million
Jackson Stephens Jr.
Biotech investor

Republican
$3.3 million
●Cliff Asness
Hedge fund co-founder

Republican
$3.2 million
●Linda McMahon
Co-founder of wrestling franchise WWE

Republican
$3.2 million
Julian Robertson
Former hedge fund manager

Republican
$3.1 million
Miguel Fernandez
Health-care business owner

Republican
$3.1 million
Chevron
Multinational oil corporation

$3 million
Herbert Sandler
Savings and loan co-founder

Democratic
$3 million
●Amy Goldman Fowler
Philanthropist; Author

Democratic
$3 million
Seth Klarman
Hedge fund manager

Republican
$2.9 million

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celticwar17 said:

Like I said before... I think they have a stronger culture/stronger overall societal infrastructure at a cultural level and are more homogeneous. And they certainly are having their own problems ... with the drastic increase in rape and violent crime.

There are countries in Europe with Higher gun ownership.... and don't NEARLY have the crimerate or issues we have.

it is ENTIRELY... culture.

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Grand Mal said:

To me, the top one is just a sexy-looking fashion statement. If you met me or one of my friends out in the bush and you were carrying that, well, we might not actually point and laugh but you'd definitely get grinned at. And called 'Rambo', even if only behind your back.

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Carleen said:

Because where have these discussions gone? Nowhere. Politicians will not buck the NRA. There is too much money involved in their campaigns. We need serious discussions about certain guns and regulations.

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Polar Bum said:

This is what happens when people gain their firearms knowledge from Hollywood or clueless political talking points...:roll:

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vegas giants said:

Nonsense. Gun control works in canada, europe, australia, new zealand, japan....etc. Its is what they have in common. This is just ridiculous. Its time to do what works....gun control

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