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It has nearly been 40 years since John Lennon was shot to death

Bucky said:
You have a gun registry, the police will be able to do there job a lot better. I personally know a few cops that have told me this, even a police chief.
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well poll after poll denies your anecdotal nonsense. most cops don't support gun restrictions.
 
Manc Skipper said:
How does it work for cars?
If your car is stolen, then you report it. This improves awareness of how many illegal guns are out there. If you sell it then you report the transfer of the title. If it's used in a crime, and you didn't report it stolen or sold (or if you loaned it to someone) then investigators will be knocking on your door first, so responsible ownership is encouraged.
Why do you object to any incovenience to yourself whatsoever, impeding the apprehension of criminals?
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you are pretending that those "inconveniences help apprehending criminals"

that is completely false
 
Sweden said:
In the 40 years since Lennon's death about 1,200,000 Americans have died by gun shot.
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mostly suicides and the rest-85-90% are criminals who cannot own guns killing mostly criminals

so that number is not really all that relevant
 
TurtleDude said:
well poll after poll denies your anecdotal nonsense. most cops don't support gun restrictions.
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Buy a clue, seriously.

firearm theft is rising rapidly at a dangerous rate. The Criminals steal the guns from lawful gun owners and those guns fuel violent crimes.

You are channeling Mark Chapman if you think the police don't support more gun restrictions and laws.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Owning a car is a right. A driver's license and registration and insurance are only required if the car is driven on public roads.
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Owning a car is not a right, travel is a right but the method used is not a right
 
Bucky said:
firearm theft is rising rapidly at a dangerous rate. The Criminals steal the guns from lawful gun owners and those guns fuel violent crimes..
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Thankfully you admit that your "common sense" gun laws will do nothing to stop gun crimes
 
TurtleDude said:
well poll after poll denies your anecdotal nonsense. most cops don't support gun restrictions.
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You use polls. I state FACTS.

The gospel of TurtleDude has no more credibility than a corrupt DJ AG - Alberto Gonzalez, Holder, Lynch, Sessions.... oh wait Turtle Dude, you used to work for the corrupt DOJ?

Figures...
 
Crovax said:
Owning a car is not a right, travel is a right but the method used is not a right
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I could own a car and keep it on my own land and never drive it on public roads and I wouldn't need a driver's license or registration or insurance to do so. Owning cars is a right. You're right in that the method of travel isn't always a right, if you're traveling by driving on public roads that is a privilege not a right but there is a difference between just owning a car and using it to drive on public roads.
 
Bucky said:
firearm theft is rising rapidly at a dangerous rate. The Criminals steal the guns from lawful gun owners and those guns fuel violent crimes.
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Than we need to work harder to stop theft. We should do a better job in enforcing the law that says you can't steal.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Than we need to work harder to stop theft. We should do a better job in enforcing the law that says you can't steal.
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But wait!

Criminals won't follow the law. So what do you suggest? Chopping off hands?

What your comments indicate is that no matter how responsible a gun owner is, his/her gun is susceptible to theft. People lose things all the time - Phones, keys, etc....

When you have more guns in circulation, that is just a recipe for disaster. Luckily technology will soon create advanced smart guns. The gun zealots can fight progress but they will have no choice to adopt just like when the internet came out.

A.I. technology will reduce many of the issues caused by gun violence, however, the gun zealots will do everything possible to stop progress.
 
DebateChallenge said:
I could own a car and keep it on my own land and never drive it on public roads and I wouldn't need a driver's license or registration or insurance to do so. Owning cars is a right. You're right in that the method of travel isn't always a right, if you're traveling by driving on public roads that is a privilege not a right but there is a difference between just owning a car and using it to drive on public roads.
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Just because you dont have to register and insure a car on private property doesnt make it a right. A city, state, or congress could ban ownership of a certain type of car or all cars if they wanted to.
 
GDViking said:
Maybe if John would have been carrying he would still be alive.

Although considering his heroin addiction it's very unlikely.
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Since John Lennon kicked that addiction 11 years before his death it would not be relevant. And the circumstances of his death make it unlikely that he would be alive if carrying. A stranger walked up to him on the street and shot him.

Just keeping it real...:cool:
 
Bucky said:
Buy a clue, seriously.

firearm theft is rising rapidly at a dangerous rate. The Criminals steal the guns from lawful gun owners and those guns fuel violent crimes.

You are channeling Mark Chapman if you think the police don't support more gun restrictions and laws.
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Please provide cites for your claims. Did you not read the polls I linked at www.policeone,com?
 
Bucky said:
You use polls. I state FACTS.

The gospel of TurtleDude has no more credibility than a corrupt DJ AG - Alberto Gonzalez, Holder, Lynch, Sessions.... oh wait Turtle Dude, you used to work for the corrupt DOJ?

Figures...
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You've not given any unbiased sources for your "facts". Please do so.
 
Bucky said:
But wait!

Criminals won't follow the law. So what do you suggest? Chopping off hands?

What your comments indicate is that no matter how responsible a gun owner is, his/her gun is susceptible to theft. People lose things all the time - Phones, keys, etc....

When you have more guns in circulation, that is just a recipe for disaster. Luckily technology will soon create advanced smart guns. The gun zealots can fight progress but they will have no choice to adopt just like when the internet came out.

A.I. technology will reduce many of the issues caused by gun violence, however, the gun zealots will do everything possible to stop progress.
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Technology may create smart guns, and criminals will hack them. The tech will fail too often to be accepted by the citizenry. It darn sure won't be used by law enforcement or the Secret Service units that protect the President. Criminals that get their guns through straw purchase or FFL diversion will also get the tech that allows the guns to be used. And there's still the matter of the 400 million low tech guns still owned by the citizens.
 
Bucky said:
I was looking at old John Lennon videos and it kind of dawned on me how little progress we have made.

John Lennon would not have died of gun violence outside of the United States. The majority of people support gun registration yet no progress has been made.

Now, the typical second amendment-zealots will respond to this thread with the following:

What about my constitutional rights?
People kill people, guns don't kill people.

Apparently, for many gun zealots, they believe it is a right to own a gun but it isn't a right to be safe without having to worry about getting shot dead with a deadly weapon. People in other countries don't just get shot to death outside of there homes. This is a uniquely American problem that can actually be fixed with common-sense solutions.
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It's not a uniquely American problem, but gun violence is certainly a problem in America.
 
TurtleDude said:
mostly suicides and the rest-85-90% are criminals who cannot own guns killing mostly criminals

so that number is not really all that relevant
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Yeah a million here and million there, its not like we talking real numbers. And I get it: criminals who can't own guns owning guns. Why doesn't someone tell them to stop?

Btw 1,200,000 is simply based on 30,000 gun deaths a year. Actual numbers are often quite a bit higher than that.
 
Sweden said:
Yeah a million here and million there, its not like we talking real numbers. And I get it: criminals who can't own guns owning guns. Why doesn't someone tell them to stop?

Btw 1,200,000 is simply based on 30,000 gun deaths a year. Actual numbers are often quite a bit higher than that.
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The US has a lower intentional death rate than your neighbor Finland and only about 30% higher than Sweden's.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_death_rate
 
Sweden said:
Yeah a million here and million there, its not like we talking real numbers. And I get it: criminals who can't own guns owning guns. Why doesn't someone tell them to stop?

Btw 1,200,000 is simply based on 30,000 gun deaths a year. Actual numbers are often quite a bit higher than that.
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so what is your "right wing libertarian" solution to what you think is a huge problem?
 
Bucky said:
You use polls. I state FACTS.

The gospel of TurtleDude has no more credibility than a corrupt DJ AG - Alberto Gonzalez, Holder, Lynch, Sessions.... oh wait Turtle Dude, you used to work for the corrupt DOJ?

Figures...
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what does such a stupid comment have to do with this topic? facts are-you don't have a rational argument against gun ownership
 
Bucky said:
Buy a clue, seriously.

firearm theft is rising rapidly at a dangerous rate. The Criminals steal the guns from lawful gun owners and those guns fuel violent crimes.

You are channeling Mark Chapman if you think the police don't support more gun restrictions and laws.
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you are lying. there is no evidence of anything you say
 
Bucky said:
The NRA folks are the ones that think they need to protect themselves in a civil war.

The truth is the gun zealots do not provide any solutions in stopping gun violence. This is what I hear from people like yall:

1. Guns don't kill people, people kill people
2. Criminals do not follow the law
3. Gun violence will always happen
4. It is in the Constitution

These aren't solutions. It is just useless platitudes.
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On the contrary. The NRA pushes for common sense laws and enforcement of existing laws. They also push and teach gun safety. Someday you need to learn to accept that the guns are not the problem. The problem is primarily our revolving door criminal justice system as well as a deep seated drug abuse culture that leads to violence and in many cases mental illness that leads to violence.
 
Bucky said:
Please stop with stating irrelevant facts. Every country has violence yet they don't have the massive gun deaths like the United States.

Personally, I would like to see the New York gun laws be adopted nation-wide and see a federal gun registry. Every gun purchase should require a simple psychological test.

Is it perfect? Of course not, however, I can almost guarantee if these policies get adopted, in the long-term our country will be safe.
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Then what? Knife registration? Axe registration? Baseball bat registration? Club registration? Shall we be forced to register anyrthiong that can be used to kill? How about steak knives? Box cutters? Scissors? Pocket knives?
 
Bucky said:
Buy a clue, seriously.

firearm theft is rising rapidly at a dangerous rate. The Criminals steal the guns from lawful gun owners and those guns fuel violent crimes.

You are channeling Mark Chapman if you think the police don't support more gun restrictions and laws.
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His name was never to be spoken!!!

That was a big diss to Lennon's memory!!!
 
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