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FDR and Ronald Reagan's vision to fight gun violence

Imagine calling your child and he/she is dead because of a damn shooter. You think this is funny? No parent should ever have to go through this.

When was the last time you knew of somebody being called and told their child was shot dead? Who do you know who lost a child to a shooter? For me the answer would be nobody.
 
But, I am comforted by the notion that no matter how loud and long you stand on your soap box and rant, the Second Amendment will still be here long after you and your descendants have turned to dust and passed from memory.
No doubt the Second Amendment will still be here when the sun expands into a red giant and makes life on Earth impossible. That wont happen for billions of years though, and by then no doubt humanity will have moved on and taken the Second Amendment with them.
 
The last thing we need is more armed citizens.

Well we're getting them. Particularly among women. Gun sales skyrocketed during the Obama administration and many of the first time gun buyers were women.
 
Again this is a myth falsely peddled by the NRA and gun zealots that if more people are armed, gun violence will go down.

I sometimes take shooting classes at this school out in Nevada called Front Sight. I've been there at least twenty times. At Front Sight, everybody's got guns. Everybody's got a handgun strapped to their side or they've got a rifle or shotgun in the rack or over their shoulder or in their car or truck if they're taking a rifle or shotgun class. The only shootings that happen at Front Sight are the ones done at the paper targets. There are no shootings against living people at Front Sight.
 
Aruging more guns would stop gun violence is not logical or rational.

Guns cause gun violence.

So more guns would cause less gun violence???
Guns in the hands of good responsible people will cause less violence, period. There is a reason why the Colt Peacemaker, the common sidearm used by cowboys in the old west had its name.

That would be like arguing:

Eating Fast food causes obesity

So eating more fast food would cause less obesity.

LOL!!!
That depends on how you use the fast food. Lets say I buy some fast food and feed it to the birds, obviously it will not make me fat. But most people buy fast food with the intention of eating it. Most people do not buy guns with the intention of shooting innocent people. Sure, there are some that do but they're criminals to begin with and they buy their guns illegally through illegal channels. When people buy guns legally at legal gun shops and they go through the legal procedure to do so, they do so with the intention of using the guns for lawful purposes, target shooting, hunting, protection from bad people, ect.

So your analogy is a poor one. If you were to say that shooting innocent people causes gun violence and therefore shooting more innocent people would cause less gun violence that would be absurd and it would run parallel to your analogy. On the other hand if you were to say that criminals cause not only gun violence but violent crime in general and so putting criminals away would cause less violent crime, that would make sense and would be a much more intelligent thing to say. Guns are inanimate objects and whether or not they're used for crime depends on the user not on the gun itself. And as I've said before, its not fair to punish good people who use guns for lawful purposes because some people use them for crime.

Owning a spoon does not make you fat, its how you use the spoon. For instance if you use it to eat fatty food.

Criminals cause crime not guns. To say guns cause crime is to say spoons make Rosie O'Donnell fat.

And speaking of Rosie Odonnell, to quote Animal house, "fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life." And that would definitely apply to Rosie O'Donnell.
 
I am not a zombie. I actually care about innocent civilians lives.
You might not be a zombie but you've definitely got your head in the clouds if you believe some of the stuff you post. Particularly if you think Trump believes in more gun control. I will have you know that Trump is an NRA member himself and appears and speaks at NRA meetings.

Do you think people will stand for glib gun zealots who start laughing everytime a mass gun shooting happens or calls them hoaxes?

The tide will turn against people that think Sandy Hook was a hoax or crazy zealots that think the parents of the victims of Sandy Hook are being selfish.
Sandy Hook was obviously not a hoax but the problem wasn't the guns, the problem is that Adam Lanza, and others like him, are allowed to run loose. They knew something was wrong with Lanza he should've been put away. Our problem is we don't put people away who are a menace to society.
 
It is not patriotic to call Sandy Hook a hoax.

Or... are you one of them? Do you stand by Alex Jones?

Its patriotic to believe in the constitution and what it stands for. As for Alex Jones, I don't know much about him but he's certainly got to be better then Cenk Ugyur.
 
A second amendment that says nothing about an individual owning a firearm.

The second amendment states, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

It does say an individual can own firearms, if you don't ignore the word "people."
 
It does not have to; the Bill of Rights limits government, it does not list our rights.

Yes, exactly, and that's why it would be more accurate to call it the Bill of Restrictions, restrictions on the government.
 
The second amendment states, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

It does say an individual can own firearms, if you don't ignore the word "people."[/QUOTE

I thank you for replying to my comments. I look forwarding to actually debating you, unlike the many lemming gun zealots that exist in the` pro-gun rights group.
 
I noticed you replied to a different thread of mine but not this one. I guess you are speechless.

The irony is that you responded a reply of mine in this thread to say that I hadn't responded to you in this thread. Do you bother to read what you write?

Edit: I had responded to you five times in this thread prior to your post saying I hadn't responded to you in this thread.

We already know the solution to curb gun violence. A whole body of social science and research exists that shows gun control works.

People are dying in high regularity because of gun violence. You gun nuts can make glib comments about dead innocent civilians but it doesn't change FACTS!

Imagine calling your child and he/she is dead because of a damn shooter. You think this is funny? No parent should ever have to go through this.

No dead child is funny. You're the only one to mention that.

Gun control laws need to be Constitutional, effective, enforceable, would be enforced, cost efficient and necessary. Gun bans and confiscations ("But what I do know is that if you reduce the number of guns available to the general public, it will reduce gun violence significantly") are not Constitutional.

You can claim that studies show that gun control works. Be specific. Post such a study and we can debate the data, the methods, the results and the Constitutionality. Otherwise, you aren't really saying anything.
 
Far-right extremist comments/views like these are reasons why we haven't made much progress since 1934.

Liberal Alinsky Tactic #4: Label even the most reasonable opposition as extreme.

The "criminal element" exists in the NRA and gun right supporters. They belong in a gulag for the crimes they have committed.

Extremist in defense of liberty is no vice, tolerance in the face of tyranny is no virtue.

If defending everyones individual rights, which is the proper function of the state, is a crime to you. If you would put people who defend their rights in gulags, you are truly evil.

The constitution is the law of the land, what you propose is the crime.
 
The "criminal element" exists in the NRA and gun right supporters. They belong in a gulag for the crimes they have committed.

The good news is that science and reason will prevail. Once the facts come out, the NRA and gun nuts will be exposed as a danger to society and poisoning the minds of the general public.

Hehehe...close your eyes and click those ruby slippers together and wish really hard....
 
You want to know what is stupid, sick, disgusting, and shameful.

Pro-gun supporters that think Sandy Hook was a hoax.

Stupid view? Yes
Dangerous? Extremely.

So if Alex Jones and TurtleDude are the voice of the reason in this debate..... We are in trouble.
Well Bucky I guess that makes me "stupid, sick, disgusting, and shameful."On that topic get your head out of the sand and really look. Strange you should just pull S.S. out of your a** though. Doing a little bit of button pushing are we? Guess that is your slick answer to post 18 huh?
 
=Bucky;1068099633]I am not naive to think gun violence will never happen. But what I do know is that if you reduce the number of guns available to the general public, it will reduce gun violence significantly.
Well Bucky. You CLAIM not to be naive to gun violence(a gun looses it's temper?)So you are admitting you could be a target some night or early morning? Tell me O wise one how would you handle it, harsh words,call 911(if you have a cellphone nearby)then throw said cellphone or maybe a slipper? But then it will never happen to you,right?
The mass shootings have become so prevalent in our society, it is almost as if people have become zombies and immune to human emotion.
Well Bucky that's what you and other anti gun people hear from your favorite candidates in your state and fed. govt. and feed to the MSM.
Gun supporters have normalized gun violence which has caused an erosion in our society. That will not stand for long.
Well Bucky gun supporters don't egg mass shooters on. It's people like you and your favorite reps.that egg them on because they go out of their way to sensationalize them with the MSM doing their part to fan the flames.
 
Apparently not......it appears to have escaped you.
He/She did say "even a kid can understand what it means". Perhaps it's not so much it escapes him as it is he may not be old enough to comprehend it yet.
 
=Bucky;1068100319]I am not a zombie. I actually care about innocent civilians lives
I think the only reason you claim to care about innocent people is so you can feed off them.Yeah your a zombie your all messed up.
Do you think people will stand for glib gun zealots who start laughing everytime a mass gun shooting happens or calls them hoaxes?
Well Bucky tell me now. In your opinion how many of your so called gun zealots take to the streets laughing? NOW how many anti gunners take to the streets dancing in the blood and crying for more gun control? You and Bloomers people live for it.
The tide will turn against people that think Sandy Hook was a hoax or crazy zealots that think the parents of the victims of Sandy Hook are being selfish.
Hmmm here's SS again. You seem to be the only one bringing it up. BUT since you did how will the tide turn when all the evidence we never saw was bulldozed and hauled off? Gag orders in place.
 
The "criminal element" exists in the NRA and gun right supporters. They belong in a gulag for the crimes they have committed.

Evidence?

The good news is that science and reason will prevail. Once the facts come out, the NRA and gun nuts will be exposed as a danger to society and poisoning the minds of the general public.
The facts came out. Guns save lives.
 
You know, there's a certain irony in so-called "liberals" claiming that people have a "human right" not to live in fear that justifies them sending the State's gunthugs into innocent peoples' homes.

Of all of my neighbors' weapons, I am much more afraid of their voter registration cards than I am their pistols and rifles.
 
You want to know what is stupid, sick, disgusting, and shameful.

Pro-gun supporters that think Sandy Hook was a hoax.

Stupid view? Yes
Dangerous? Extremely.

So if Alex Jones and TurtleDude are the voice of the reason in this debate..... We are in trouble.

So you hate the 1st Amendment as well as the 2nd, shocking.
 
Just remember people, people like "bucky"`s vote is just as powerful as yours...Still think "Democracy" is cool?
 
I am not a zombie. I actually care about innocent civilians lives.

Do you think people will stand for glib gun zealots who start laughing everytime a mass gun shooting happens or calls them hoaxes?

The tide will turn against people that think Sandy Hook was a hoax or crazy zealots that think the parents of the victims of Sandy Hook are being selfish.

So you care enough to send people to a gulag for not agreeing with you? I think you need to be "physically removed"...So to speak.
 
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