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Proposal: A Gun in every household

Bucky said:
You support gun rights for terrorists. When you decided to be a lawyer, did you purposely want to defend the rights of terrorists?
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I was a DOJ prosecutor for most of my career. see how that impacts your idiotic assertion
 
Starvos said:
"That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is a symbol of democracy, and it is our job to see it stays there"
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Something I wish a lot of so-called "liberals" and ****ing tankies would get through their pointy little heads.

Also referenced by the Polemicist in his argument for gun rights as a Leftist: The Rifle on the Wall: A Left Argument for Gun Rights


Starvos said:
Relaxing our gun laws and even encouraging gun ownership would do wonders to reduce the rate of firearm murders in this country, first by helping to eliminate the black market, and second, allowing these guns to be registered by responsible citizens with clean backround checks.
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My only objection to registration laws has been that those laws will be used by anti-gun politicians and activists to track down and persecute gun owners. This is a more serious threat than the benefit of being better able to track the guns used in crimes.

But if you eliminated that threat, you would be eliminating my objection. Get the percentage of Americans who regularly carry a gun into the sixties or seventies or higher, make targeted gun bans and confiscation a political impossibility, and I would absolutely support mandatory registration.

Starvos said:
Mandatory rigourous training, saftey courses and strict backround checks must be enforced so we have a responsible well-armed population.
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The problem with mandatory training requirements is that you can use access to the training, or the trainers themselves, as gatekeepers for the exercise of a fundamental human right.

As much as I appreciate the NRA's efforts to protect the gun rights of every American, I do not trust their membership or their leadership with the authority to decide whom those rights should belong to.

Make the safety, maintenance, and marksmanship classes mandatory for all citizens via the public school system as a requirement for graduation. Some 83% of gun owners will then be guaranteed to have that training, along with the majority of the remaining 17%, with the majority of those remaining unable or disinclined to own guns anyway.

Starvos said:
However, what liberals don't seem to understand is that America doesnt have a gun problem; guns have an America problem. But part of fixing this problem is changing the way we deal with guns. Let the responsible, law-abiding citizens have their guns and make sure they get their training and proper evaluations.

But the bigger problem that leads to mass shootings, gun violence and gangs is the poverty, alienation, humiliation and mental illness caused largely by our precious capitalist system.
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There are problems with the way America practices capitalism, but I don't think it's necessary to throw out the baby with the bathwater. We need economic reforms modeled after more successful, prosperous countries-- but those countries are all, themselves, capitalist at heart. They just practice capitalism in the absence of the corruption that marks the American economic system, and recognize that capitalism is a poor system for the distribution of expensive necessities such as healthcare and education.
 
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Bucky said:
Why do people like you support terrorists who are on the no-fly list, and restrict their ability to gain access to weapons that can cause massive fatalities?

Are you so deep-rooted in ideology that prevents you from doing the right thing?
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Why do I oppose the restriction of fundamental human rights by secret committees without due process?

Because I'm a ****ing liberal, that's why, and because I recognize that surrendering due process, civil rights, and the rule of law can never, ever make people safer.
 
Soopairik said:
And you act as if your side is any better.
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Then list out examples for "my" side... I might even agree with you, but the point is that Leftists say the opposite of what they do in all those examples (and many more) and you couldn't even acknowledge my examples as true, or refute them as untrue... just claiming "your side does it too" doesn't negate what Leftists do...
 
Bucky said:
A lot of these people are not criminals. They are mentally ill people that have falllen through the cracks that have no business touching guns but do so because of the lax gun laws.
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Gee... then perhaps Bucky.. we should spend our time and effort and filling in those cracks so that mentally ill people can get help that they need... rather than focusing on firearms.. which you just admit.. isn;t the problem (its the falling through the cracks)...and would make things worse for mental healthcare.. as now those with mental illness.. like depression.. will be less likely to seek treatment because they fear having their property taken away.
 
jaeger19 said:
Gee... then perhaps Bucky.. we should spend our time and effort and filling in those cracks so that mentally ill people can get help that they need... rather than focusing on firearms.. which you just admit.. isn;t the problem (its the falling through the cracks)...and would make things worse for mental healthcare.. as now those with mental illness.. like depression.. will be less likely to seek treatment because they fear having their property taken away.
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You seem to live in a fantasy land that mentally ill people do not exist.

That's like blaming children for obesity and your solution being providing help for obese children instead of tackling the issue of these food companies offering unhealthy food to children.
 
Bucky said:
You seem to live in a fantasy land that mentally ill people do not exist.

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Unfortunately I live in a real world where mentally ill people actually exist. And I understand that it makes more sense to spend the limited resources we have in helping them with their mental illness...

than focusing on firearms which will have no effect at all. And in many cases.. the stigma of losing firearms just adds to the stigma regarding mental health.. and makes it harder for patients to seek treatment.

That's like blaming children for obesity and your solution being providing help for obese children instead of tackling the issue of these food companies offering unhealthy food to children
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Actually yes.. your argument for gun control is like blaming spoons for obese children. Lets control spoons!!!!..
 
Bucky said:
You seem to live in a fantasy land that mentally ill people do not exist.

That's like blaming children for obesity and your solution being providing help for obese children instead of tackling the issue of these food companies offering unhealthy food to children.
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your solution seems to be to starve fit kids because some other kids eat like pigs
 
jaeger19 said:
Unfortunately I live in a real world where mentally ill people actually exist. And I understand that it makes more sense to spend the limited resources we have in helping them with their mental illness...

than focusing on firearms which will have no effect at all. And in many cases.. the stigma of losing firearms just adds to the stigma regarding mental health.. and makes it harder for patients to seek treatment.



Actually yes.. your argument for gun control is like blaming spoons for obese children. Lets control spoons!!!!..
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I live in a world where we can do both
 
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