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Would you support gun control if someone close to YOU died in a mass shooting?

camlok said:
While grief is always a good ploy/effect/words that escape me now that aren't meant to express any particular bias, "one" isn't really a very statistically valid number.
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You didn't ask for statistics. You asked if I would support gun laws if I had a loved one that was killed via some idiot with a gun. I gave you my answer, and an example of someone actually doing what I said I would do. Now you're trying to insist on statistics and science because with my response you realized that yes, there really are people out there that would be against gun control laws even with a loved one being killed with a gun. This is what most people would consider as "moving the goal posts".
 
camlok said:
While grief is always a good ploy/effect/words that escape me now that aren't meant to express any particular bias, "one" isn't really a very statistically valid number.
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The OP wanted to know if parents or spouse of mass shooting victims wanted stricter laws after the shooting. The question should be how many or what percentage of previously pro-gun parents or spouses changed their minds to an anti-gun stance.
 
Kal'Stang said:
You didn't ask for statistics. You asked if I would support gun laws if I had a loved one that was killed via some idiot with a gun. ... This is what most people would consider as "moving the goal posts".
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No, I did not ask "if I would support gun laws if I had a loved one that was killed via some idiot with a gun". I copied the thread title and then separated it from my comments.

I apologize for any misunderstanding. I should have used quotes or some other thing to make it clear.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Progressives think the right to not get blown away in a mass shooting is more important than the freedumb to own 50 assault pistols?
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that's really stupid "logic" and specious reasoning

owning 50 "assault pistols" (WTF is an assault pistol? this is why I have so little use with gun banners such as you-you continually demonstrate a complete lack of understanding about stuff you want to ban) doesn't hurt anyone. Your "right not to get blown away" is protected by trillions of dollars spent on law enforcement, the courts, jails, etc)
 
TurtleDude said:
Your "right not to get blown away" is protected by trillions of dollars spent on law enforcement, the courts, jails, etc)
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Don't forget the "gun free zone" signs.
 
Rucker61 said:
The OP wanted to know if parents or spouse of mass shooting victims wanted stricter laws after the shooting. The question should be how many or what percentage of previously pro-gun parents or spouses changed their minds to an anti-gun stance.
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The OP hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell of finding that out by asking for folks' opinions.

"The facts show that the more guns in a society, the more safe it is. That's the facts ." Ataraxia

See what I mean?
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Just saying, I don't know if I can ever remember a parent or spouse or child of a mass shooting victim ever speak out in support of guns after the fact. Not even one. In fact they seem to be heavily in favor of new gun laws.

So can you absolutely be sure that if some mass shooting would affect you that you wouldn't change your mind about it? These shootings always seem so distant from us that we think they can never happen to any of the most important people to us but the truth is any of us could be affected by it.
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The father of one of the victims of columbine didn't called for gun laws. Also this line of thinking is very illogical. You are in tge midst of losing someone. It's hard to think rationally when you're dealing with a loss.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Progressives think the right to not get blown away in a mass shooting is more important than the freedumb to own 50 assault pistols?
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We think so too. We just have different approaches to solving it.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Just saying, I don't know if I can ever remember a parent or spouse or child of a mass shooting victim ever speak out in support of guns after the fact. Not even one. In fact they seem to be heavily in favor of new gun laws.

So can you absolutely be sure that if some mass shooting would affect you that you wouldn't change your mind about it? These shootings always seem so distant from us that we think they can never happen to any of the most important people to us but the truth is any of us could be affected by it.
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I can't be absolutely sure about anything. If someone I loved was shot I might totally lose my mind and babble all sorts of nonsense including calling for banning inanimate objects. Hell I might go similarly nuts and call for the removal of all cars if someone I loved was killed by a drunk driver.


Not being faced with either situation I can say that no I wouldn't because that action makes no sense and I like to think I do things that are sensible.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Progressives think the right to not get blown away in a mass shooting is more important than the freedumb to own 50 assault pistols?
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There is no such "right". Do we have the "right" to drive without being killed by a drunk driver? How about the "right" to be able to walk on a sidewalk without having to cross the street because there is a group of young men wearing hoodies on the same sidewalk walking in the opposite direction. Seems just as rational as your fear...
 
My best friend since kindergarten was murdered a few years ago while working late shift at a convenient store. A three time felon walked into rob the store, stuck a 357 magnum in his face, and the gun "accidentally went off"! Chad was shot between his eyes. The bullet went through his skull, and out the back of his head spraying his brains all over the cigarette display case. Chad died before his body hit the ground that night. He was just as much of a brother to me, as any of my biological siblings are. He was denied his right to self preservation due to the policy of the store. He left behind a wife, and two kids.

Why would I be mad at a tool that requires the conscious action of a human being? I am more angry at our failed justice system that lets these pieces of crap back out on the street, due to good behavior, or false claim of social inequality. I am also angry at liberal legislators that have pounded home this retarded idea that posting a sign in a window banning firearms on that property will keep you safe. Both Chad, and his wife Stacy were avid gun owners, both are firearms instructors. Stacy still teaches firearms safety, and her support for gun ownership has not faltered.
 
Appeal to emotion fallacy to elicit skewed thought and reasoning. Stupid pointless thread is stupid pointless...
 
JLee1977 said:
My best friend since kindergarten was murdered a few years ago while working late shift at a convenient store. A three time felon walked into rob the store, stuck a 357 magnum in his face, and the gun "accidentally went off"! Chad was shot between his eyes. The bullet went through his skull, and out the back of his head spraying his brains all over the cigarette display case. Chad died before his body hit the ground that night. He was just as much of a brother to me, as any of my biological siblings are. He was denied his right to self preservation due to the policy of the store. He left behind a wife, and two kids.

Why would I be mad at a tool that requires the conscious action of a human being? I am more angry at our failed justice system that lets these pieces of crap back out on the street, due to good behavior, or false claim of social inequality. I am also angry at liberal legislators that have pounded home this retarded idea that posting a sign in a window banning firearms on that property will keep you safe. Both Chad, and his wife Stacy were avid gun owners, both are firearms instructors. Stacy still teaches firearms safety, and her support for gun ownership has not faltered.
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I'm really sorry about your friend. I hope that your good memories overshadow that terrible one.
 
If somebody close to me died in a mass shooting would I support gun control?

No, but I would support criminal control.
 
I've already had someone I loved shot dead.



Oddly enough I blamed the person, not the inanimate object.
 
Goshin said:
I've already had someone I loved shot dead.



Oddly enough I blamed the person, not the inanimate object.
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makes sense-one of the boys I grew up with-his father is my godfather, was killed when driving home from school in NY-another driver-probably due to drinking, fell asleep at the wheel and his car went through the windshield of my friend's car. None of us thought about banning drinking.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Just saying, I don't know if I can ever remember a parent or spouse or child of a mass shooting victim ever speak out in support of guns after the fact. Not even one. In fact they seem to be heavily in favor of new gun laws.

So can you absolutely be sure that if some mass shooting would affect you that you wouldn't change your mind about it? These shootings always seem so distant from us that we think they can never happen to any of the most important people to us but the truth is any of us could be affected by it.
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So you are saying if your loved one was stabbed to death with a knife or beaten to death with a baseball bat then you would be in full favor of baseball bat and knife control? Because that is how ****en moronic your question is.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Just saying, I don't know if I can ever remember a parent or spouse or child of a mass shooting victim ever speak out in support of guns after the fact. Not even one. In fact they seem to be heavily in favor of new gun laws.

So can you absolutely be sure that if some mass shooting would affect you that you wouldn't change your mind about it? These shootings always seem so distant from us that we think they can never happen to any of the most important people to us but the truth is any of us could be affected by it.
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Lost a cousin almost two, mother and daughter in a gang shooting. My gun stance changed 0% Why would it? IMO if it changes you probably didnt really have one or you are changing it to the wrong one based on emotion and not logic. They caught the guy and he is in jail. He should not of had a gun. He got one off the black market.

Im progun, i have a conceal weapons permit.

Id support just about any law that fits logical criteria.

Does the law punish criminals and illegal activity with guns?
Does it punish illegal manufacturing, distribution and transportation?

if yes and yes i support it!

Does the law punish avg joe law abiding citizens and make it harder for them to get guns fro no real reason?
Does the law empower criminals and put endanger law abiding citizens and me and my family?

If yes and yes i DO NOT support it

my emotions over losing one cousin and almost a second doesn't change that logic.

pretty simple :shrug:
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Progressives think the right to not get blown away in a mass shooting is more important than the freedumb to own 50 assault pistols?
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what right are you referring to and why do you think you dont have it?
 
Lursa said:
That's awful. I'm sure nothing can ever prepare you for that.
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Nothing but experience, sadly. Even that doesn't really help much.

Especially when there's no reason to see it coming, no reason to expect it to happen to the person, no big risk factors leading up to it. You're going along with the usual and you say "okay bye, might drop by later, see ya" and wake up at 4am to a phone call....


But still, I blame the person who pulled the trigger; he was the one with the bad intentions.
 
So is no one else is overwhelmed by the sheer number of people here who have lost someone to a gun....a lot more than the number here that know someone whose life was saved by a gun, no doubt.

But we can't take steps to reduce the number of guns in circulation cuz "freedumb!".
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
So is no one else is overwhelmed by the sheer number of people here who have lost someone to a gun....a lot more than the number here that know someone whose life was saved by a gun, no doubt.

But we can't take steps to reduce the number of guns in circulation cuz "freedumb!".
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Unfortunately, I knew many more killed in car accidents.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
1.) So is no one else is overwhelmed by the sheer number of people here who have lost someone to a gun....a lot more than the number here that know someone whose life was saved by a gun, no doubt.
2.) But we can't take steps to reduce the number of ILLEGAL guns in circulation cuz "freedumb!".
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1.) nope because you are talking crimes. no shock crimes happen. Hell we can talk car accidents and more here have been affected by them.
2.) of course we can if you are referring to CRIMES and ILLEGAL guns.

your arguments seem to be failing to honestly and logic every time, why is that?
 
Caleb Keeter had the best reaction to this. A guitar player that witnessed the Vegas shooting:

I’ve been a proponent of the 2nd amendment my entire life.

Until the events of last night. I cannot express how wrong I was. We actually have members of our crew with CHL licenses and legal firearms on the bus.

They were useless.

We couldn’t touch them for fear police might think that we were part of the massacre and shoot us. A small group (or one man) laid waste to a city with dedicated, fearless police officers, desperately trying to help, because of access to an insane amount of fire power.

Enough is enough.

Writing my parents and the love of my life a goodbye last night and a living will because I felt like I wasn’t going to live through the night was enough for me to realize that this is completely and totally out of hand. These rounds were powerful enough that my crew guys just standing in a close proximity of a victim shot by this f---ing coward received shrapnel wounds.

We need gun control RIGHT. NOW.

My biggest regret is that I stubbornly didn’t realize it until my brothers on the road and myself were threatened by it.

We are unbelievably fortunate not to be among the number of victims killed or seriously wounded by this maniac.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...d-legal-firearms-they-were-useless/726646001/

These are WEAPONS OF WAR! You are damn right I want them highly regulated. If you have a weapon that can multiple people in seconds, I want the government to know your every movement.
 
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