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Are most forms of gun control constitutional?

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The 2A is not only about letting folks keep guns in their homes. It is clearly a compound right of the people to keep (buy/own) and bear (carry) arms. That states or cities are allowed to rent the 2A rights of the people back to the people should be challenged (as a clear 2A infringement) but, as noted in the link, the SCOTUS can simply do nothing if they please. How demanding a valid, state issued, photo ID is taboo for voting yet is no longer a discriminatory burden for purposes of owning/carrying a gun has not been explained.
 
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US law is full of unconstitutional crap that is there due to political expediency, dishonestly and other unwholesome reasons
 
Galileo said:
"Since 2008, there have been over 1,230 Second Amendment cases challenging gun laws nationwide, with an overwhelming majority—93%—of the lower court decisions upholding those laws."
Protecting Strong Gun Laws: The Supreme Court Leaves Lower Court Victories Untouched | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

It seems like we continually hear complaints about gun control from a very vocal minority. However, such complaints have not been found valid in courts of law for the most part.
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Yes they are.
 
Galileo said:
"Since 2008, there have been over 1,230 Second Amendment cases challenging gun laws nationwide, with an overwhelming majority—93%—of the lower court decisions upholding those laws."
Protecting Strong Gun Laws: The Supreme Court Leaves Lower Court Victories Untouched | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

It seems like we continually hear complaints about gun control from a very vocal minority. However, such complaints have not been found valid in courts of law for the most part.
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UnConstitutional laws definitely get passed. They have to be challenged in the courts to be struck down then.

It happened here in WA St. The city of Seattle passed a law preventing guns in city parks and community centers. The law was unConstitutional under our state constitution.

This was pointed out, but nothing happened. So a lawyer called the media and set up a scenario where the law could be challenged. He also called the police and the community center to let them know his plans.

When he entered the community center carrying, the center's representative asked him to leave. When he refused, the cops, who were there, took him into custody.

When he was charged, in a grand jury (or some other proceeding before a trial), the case was examined and the charges dropped and the law taken off the books.
 
Lursa said:
UnConstitutional laws definitely get passed. They have to be challenged in the courts to be struck down then.

It happened here in WA St. The city of Seattle passed a law preventing guns in city parks and community centers. The law was unConstitutional under our state constitution.

This was pointed out, but nothing happened. So a lawyer called the media and set up a scenario where the law could be challenged. He also called the police and the community center to let them know his plans.

When he entered the community center carrying, the center's representative asked him to leave. When he refused, the cops, who were there, took him into custody.

When he was charged, in a grand jury (or some other proceeding before a trial), the case was examined and the charges dropped and the law taken off the books.
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its too bad those how passed it were not put in jail, stripped of office, fined heavily, for violating the constitutional rights of the citizens. that should be the proper result when a law is clearly unconstitutional
 
Lursa said:
UnConstitutional laws definitely get passed. They have to be challenged in the courts to be struck down then.

It happened here in WA St. The city of Seattle passed a law preventing guns in city parks and community centers. The law was unConstitutional under our state constitution.

This was pointed out, but nothing happened. So a lawyer called the media and set up a scenario where the law could be challenged. He also called the police and the community center to let them know his plans.

When he entered the community center carrying, the center's representative asked him to leave. When he refused, the cops, who were there, took him into custody.

When he was charged, in a grand jury (or some other proceeding before a trial), the case was examined and the charges dropped and the law taken off the books.
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Good for him. I hope he also sued the city, what with him being a lawyer and all.
 
TurtleDude said:
its too bad those how passed it were not put in jail, stripped of office, fined heavily, for violating the constitutional rights of the citizens. that should be the proper result when a law is clearly unconstitutional
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That's what should happen but unfortunately I've never heard of that happening.
 
DebateChallenge said:
That's what should happen but unfortunately I've never heard of that happening.
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it would be a good tradition now that tarring and feathering seems to have gone out of style!
 
Lursa said:
UnConstitutional laws definitely get passed. They have to be challenged in the courts to be struck down then.

It happened here in WA St. The city of Seattle passed a law preventing guns in city parks and community centers. The law was unConstitutional under our state constitution.

This was pointed out, but nothing happened. So a lawyer called the media and set up a scenario where the law could be challenged. He also called the police and the community center to let them know his plans.

When he entered the community center carrying, the center's representative asked him to leave. When he refused, the cops, who were there, took him into custody.

When he was charged, in a grand jury (or some other proceeding before a trial), the case was examined and the charges dropped and the law taken off the books.
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It is sad we have to spend so much time and effort fighting to keep our rights in this country. There is so many worthwhile causes we could be addressing if the democrats would just leave our rights alone.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
It is sad we have to spend so much time and effort fighting to keep our rights in this country. There is so many worthwhile causes we could be addressing if the democrats would just leave our rights alone.
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they see the NRA and pro gun voters as their enemies ever since they tried to foist gun control on us as Crime control. when we objected, we became the enemy
 
TurtleDude said:
its too bad those how passed it were not put in jail, stripped of office, fined heavily, for violating the constitutional rights of the citizens. that should be the proper result when a law is clearly unconstitutional
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That's an improvement from your previous desires.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
It is sad we have to spend so much time and effort fighting to keep our rights in this country. There is so many worthwhile causes we could be addressing if the democrats would just leave our rights alone.
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What rights do you find yourself having to fight to keep?
 
jet57 said:
What rights do you find yourself having to fight to keep?
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Too many.

The right to bear arms is one. Our government has trampled that right into oblivion. It is now a privilege that requires permission from the Gestapo.

The Obama administrations passage of a provision in the NDAA, a provision that would allow them to indefinitely detain American Citizens without a trial.

What about the 4th amendment? How many times now has our government been caught spying and listening in on private conversations without a warrant.

The attacks on our rights are a nonstop problem every time the democrats get in office.
 
jet57 said:
What rights do you find yourself having to fight to keep?
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Too many.

The right to bear arms is one. Our government has trampled that right into oblivion. It is now a privilege that requires permission from the Gestapo.

The Obama administrations passage of a provision in the NDAA, a provision that would allow them to indefinitely detain American Citizens without a trial.

What about the 4th amendment? How many times now has our government been caught spying and listening in on private conversations without a warrant.

The attacks on our rights are a nonstop problem every time the democrats get in office.
 
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PIPEWRENCH said:
Too many.

The right to bear arms is one. Our government has trampled that right into oblivion. It is now a privilege that requires permission from the Gestapo.

The Obama administrations passage of a provision in the NDAA, a provision that would allow them to indefinitely detain American Citizens without a trial.

What about the 4th amendment? How many times now has our government been caught spying and listening in on private conversations without a warrant.

The attacks on our rights are a nonstop problem every time the democrats get in office.
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When your mentality that the Constitution was written by rich, white, racist slaveowners, it appears to want to drastically alter or eliminate the document or it's original meanings. You definitely don't want any young children to know anything about it, so you get rid of civic classes or reduce the standards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civic_education_in_the_United_States

Apparently our emphasis on civics is woefully inept.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Too many.

The right to bear arms is one. Our government has trampled that right into oblivion. It is now a privilege that requires permission from the Gestapo.

The Obama administrations passage of a provision in the NDAA, a provision that would allow them to indefinitely detain American Citizens without a trial.

What about the 4th amendment? How many times now has our government been caught spying and listening in on private conversations without a warrant.

The attacks on our rights are a nonstop problem every time the democrats get in office.
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As I recall.. it wasn't the democrats that set up a separate prison outside the country specifically to get around the Constitution. That's a republican invention.
 
Galileo said:
"Since 2008, there have been over 1,230 Second Amendment cases challenging gun laws nationwide, with an overwhelming majority—93%—of the lower court decisions upholding those laws."
Protecting Strong Gun Laws: The Supreme Court Leaves Lower Court Victories Untouched | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

It seems like we continually hear complaints about gun control from a very vocal minority. However, such complaints have not been found valid in courts of law for the most part.
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Well I don know all the gun laws so i find it impossible to give an answer.

A huge glaring one though is that I think something like 20 states do not allow open carry? How that is constitutional ill never understand.

I wonder how BS like that ever happens but the reality is its a lot tougher to protest or rebel against gun laws once established . . most times it can be a felony and you can lose even more rights. Its unfortunate but a reality that makes it tough.
 
Are most forms of gun control Constitutional??


Ummmm, are we talking about the Leftist Non-Enumerated Bastardized Constitution, or the Word-for-Word Enumerated Legitimate Constitution?

The answer to this question will differ depending on which Constitution we're talking about...
 
American said:
When your mentality that the Constitution was written by rich, white, racist slaveowners, it appears to want to drastically alter or eliminate the document or it's original meanings. You definitely don't want any young children to know anything about it, so you get rid of civic classes or reduce the standards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civic_education_in_the_United_States

Apparently our emphasis on civics is woefully inept.
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That has always been the problem with government run schools. It easy to teach what the government wants people to believe. Government does not want to serve the people but rule the people. So of course you do not want the children to be taught that government works for the people.
 
jaeger19 said:
As I recall.. it wasn't the democrats that set up a separate prison outside the country specifically to get around the Constitution. That's a republican invention.
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It was Obama who thinks that American citizens don't deserve rights though. The prison was built outside the US so it did not have to follow our constitution. This is done all the time to get around laws. The Houston Astrodome was built on small piece of property that was Harris County in the center of the City of Houston. The reason for the land to be county land was to get around Houston city laws. DC is another example. Federal parks and forest to get around state laws.
 
American said:
When your mentality that the Constitution was written by rich, white, racist slaveowners, it appears to want to drastically alter or eliminate the document or it's original meanings. You definitely don't want any young children to know anything about it, so you get rid of civic classes or reduce the standards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civic_education_in_the_United_States

Apparently our emphasis on civics is woefully inept.
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Don't forget just outright changing history books.
 
gfm7175 said:
Are most forms of gun control Constitutional??


Ummmm, are we talking about the Leftist Non-Enumerated Bastardized Constitution, or the Word-for-Word Enumerated Legitimate Constitution?

The answer to this question will differ depending on which Constitution we're talking about...
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Well to make it easy; the one not taught in most schools. The one that should be taught, the non Bastardized one.
 
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