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Why gun control?

Alcohol should be banned..That's why it was tried once upon a time to do so. It's the cause of so many social ills it's impossible the name them all.

We are totally reliant on cars to function as a modern society..Planes and trains and ships too. **** happens. We don't need guns or alcohol or cigarettes. We don't need illegal drugs. Hell, we don't even need opioids except when prescribed by a doctor and only used as directed...

We should do things to limit the negative impact all those sort of things have on society....and we do and will....except guns apparently.

We don't need __________ so it should be banned. What an arrogant, condescending argument. Those illegal drugs you refer to are banned by definition. Howzat workin' out for you?
 
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Morally and ethically, no. People have control over deciding to commit a crime or not. It's their choice and no one else's. What's next, she shouldn't have worn that dress?

So do you have kids, and if so, do you leave your doors and windows unlocked at night? And if so, why?
 
People tend to look at other countries with banned guns. You see that the amount of gun homicides is drastically less than that in America. However, in China, where guns are totally banned you have mass stabbings in place of the shooting.
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In this incident there were dead and 130 injured.

WAY lower than us
Less than a weekend in Philadelphia.
Also you don't get 5 yrs old kids stabbing their parents
 
WAY lower than us
Less than a weekend in Philadelphia.
Also you don't get 5 yrs old kids stabbing their parents

You have a total ban on handguns. That won't fly here. It means that your government doesn't trust a single civilian with one. Sad.
 
I own guns for lots of reasons. control freaks who want to micromanage our lives are a main reason. freedom stealers have a negative impact on society. I'd hope their numbers decline

"lots of reasons."

Please explain.
 
"lots of reasons."

Please explain.

trap
skeet
ISU Skeet
ISU trap
Sporting Clays
USPSA
Steel
IMHSA
Pins
bird hunting
big game hunting
3G
Home Defense
Bullseye
GSSF
zombie apocalypse
 
trap
skeet
ISU Skeet
ISU trap
Sporting Clays
USPSA
Steel
IMHSA
Pins
bird hunting
big game hunting
3G
Home Defense
Bullseye
GSSF
zombie apocalypse

I have a feeling that last one might be facetious
 
so now you want to close those near homes etc whether there is a history of bullets leaving the range.

I thought I could respect your logic but apparently I was mistaken...

Why would there be a need for shutting down a range if no threat to outsiders was involved? Makes no sense...and I didn't even imply such a stance.

Bullets hitting cars and houses in proximity to a firing range gives reason for shutting them down...Or maybe we should move the highway and the houses?
 
We don't need __________ so it should be banned. What an arrogant, condescending argument. Those illegal drugs you refer to are banned by definition. Howzat workin' out for you?

We have to do a better job...you know, like you guys keep saying, "enforce the laws"....I agree...

I couldn't care less what someone does, just so long as their behavior doesn't negatively impact on others...As soon as it does, we have a say...You call that arrogance? I call it the fundamental right of a society to protect itself from YOU.
 
I thought I could respect your logic but apparently I was mistaken...

Why would there be a need for shutting down a range if no threat to outsiders was involved? Makes no sense...and I didn't even imply such a stance.

Bullets hitting cars and houses in proximity to a firing range gives reason for shutting them down...Or maybe we should move the highway and the houses?

You know what's more dangerous to cars than unintentional bullets from nearby ranges? Other cars, to the tune of 40k deaths a year.
 
So do you have kids, and if so, do you leave your doors and windows unlocked at night? And if so, why?

They don't really care that a crime will be committed so long as they get to blame someone else...

I see this attitude played out on the roadways all the time....Drivers who will not give an inch to prevent an accident because they rationalize that if there is an accident it will be the other guys fault...
 
You have a total ban on handguns. That won't fly here. It means that your government doesn't trust a single civilian with one. Sad.

It's not a question of trust...It's a realization and acknowledgment of human nature...give humans guns in large numbers and you get what we see on the news every day. It's inevitable.

If people have drugs, many will kill themselves and others with them.
If people have cars many will kill themselves and others with them.
If people have cigarettes many will kill themselves with them.
If people have alcohol many will kill themselves and other with it.
Knives
Baseball bats
20 ounce soft drinks
Prime rib
High impact sports: football
etc.

Now, none of that is going to be banned in this country...We do educate..We do mitigate..We do regulate.

We try to lessen the negative impacts...We do so on an ongoing basis...constantly attempting to improve....with the exception of guns....that's a dead end, hands off, exempt issue...
 
You know what's more dangerous to cars than unintentional bullets from nearby ranges? Other cars, to the tune of 40k deaths a year.

Yes, and the issue is addressed..

Seriously, given the aggressive way many drive, it's a wonder how given the over 3 TRILLION miles driven each year there are only 40k deaths.

https://www.afdc.energy.gov/data/10315
 
It's not a question of trust...It's a realization and acknowledgment of human nature...give humans guns in large numbers and you get what we see on the news every day. It's inevitable.

In the UK, it is a matter of trust. They didn't have handguns in large numbers. All handguns were registered with the police. Every owner had to keep them locked up when not in use. No citizen was allowed to carry a handgun for self-defense. 162,000 pistols (compared to over 100 million in the US), were confiscated in 1996, in a country of 58 million people.. That's a ownership rate of 0.3%, compared to the US handgun ownership rate of about 33%. The UK certainly didn't have handguns in large numbers, and they had every single law in place that the GCAs are clamoring for in the US. It wasn't a prohibited person that caused this. That wasn't good enough, so all handguns were confiscated and ownership banned. The UK Olympic pistol team isn't even trusted enough to own a handgun in the UK.
 
Just an fyi...golf balls kill more than you think...

Death by golf ball not all that uncommon

Most of those unfortunate cases happen when the victim has placed themselves in harms way. A bullet piercing a car on the highway from a nearby shooting range is another thing entirely.

Why do people shoot a gun straight up into the air for fun or out of anger. That bullet must come back down at nearly the same speed it went up, and who knows where...for some unlucky stander by, or into someone's home it's just a matter of change through no fault or intent of their own.
 
How many rounds are fired in lawful use for the few unintentional gun deaths we have each year?

Why do you restrict the number to "lawful" use? The bullet doesn't know or care whether it was lawfully shot or not.

Most driving occurs on the public way shared with other drivers...Many if not most rounds are shot in relative isolation away from other people. I'm don't think the analogy holds, but what are the numbers since you asked?
 
Why do you restrict the number to "lawful" use? The bullet doesn't know or care whether it was lawfully shot or not.

Because a new law designed to reduce accidental shootings in lawful use won't affect those who someone who shoots someone by accident in unlawful use, like in a drive-by.

Most driving occurs on the public way shared with other drivers...Many if not most rounds are shot in relative isolation away from other people. I'm don't think the analogy holds, but what are the numbers since you asked?

I would have no idea. There are only about 500 unintentional firearm deaths each year. If we take away those in the home from improper storage, or those in the field with negligent hunters, those escaping the confines of a formal or informal range and killing someone not in the area would be fairly small.
 
Most of those unfortunate cases happen when the victim has placed themselves in harms way. A bullet piercing a car on the highway from a nearby shooting range is another thing entirely.

Don't think you quite read my link. It gave examples of people that died due to accidents. These people didn't place themselves in harms way. No body places themselves in harms way on purpose. Unless they're suicidal. Which isn't the case in my link.

Why do people shoot a gun straight up into the air for fun or out of anger. That bullet must come back down at nearly the same speed it went up, and who knows where...for some unlucky stander by, or into someone's home it's just a matter of change through no fault or intent of their own.

Shooting a bullet straight into the air can be prosecuted. Shannon's Law and for another example: Va. mom charged after firing gun into air to scare off daughter’s attackers

That aside, I thought we were talking about stray bullets from shooting ranges? You do know that there is a difference between being purposefully negligent and accidents right? Because that is the difference between one shooting a gun up into the air and a stray bullet that comes zinging out of a shooting range.
 
Don't think you quite read my link. It gave examples of people that died due to accidents. These people didn't place themselves in harms way. No body places themselves in harms way on purpose. Unless they're suicidal. Which isn't the case in my link.

I consider hanging around on a golf course with relatively high speed balls flying around to be placing one's self in harms way. Just like walking down a side walk, being oblivious to the traffic on the adjacent roadway is placing one's self in harms way..

Shooting a bullet straight into the air can be prosecuted. Shannon's Law and for another example: Va. mom charged after firing gun into air to scare off daughter’s attackers

Good, glad to hear it.

That aside, I thought we were talking about stray bullets from shooting ranges? You do know that there is a difference between being purposefully negligent and accidents right? Because that is the difference between one shooting a gun up into the air and a stray bullet that comes zinging out of a shooting range.

I don't care about intent...I care about the danger to innocent people..It's not an accident that the car was hit by the bullet on the highway...The shooting range is to damned close to the highway.
 
I thought I could respect your logic but apparently I was mistaken...

Why would there be a need for shutting down a range if no threat to outsiders was involved? Makes no sense...and I didn't even imply such a stance.

Bullets hitting cars and houses in proximity to a firing range gives reason for shutting them down...Or maybe we should move the highway and the houses?

now if bullets were constantly leaving the shooting grounds-yes that is a problem that would require modifications or shutting the grounds down. You seem to suggest that if in 50 years of operation-one bullet leaves the grounds would justify shutting the place down
 
I consider hanging around on a golf course with relatively high speed balls flying around to be placing one's self in harms way. Just like walking down a side walk, being oblivious to the traffic on the adjacent roadway is placing one's self in harms way..



Good, glad to hear it.



I don't care about intent...I care about the danger to innocent people..It's not an accident that the car was hit by the bullet on the highway...The shooting range is to damned close to the highway.

cars are hit far more times with golf balls or baseballs than bullets. do you demand shutting down golf courses and ball parks
 
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