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How do you feel about gun accessories

I bring up this topic because of people I see at the gun range, loaded with flashlights, lasers, a red dot, a bipod, extra mags on the buttstock etc. I know some gun control advocates complain about such accessories, as do fudds, and if you do not know what a fudd is, they are hunters that believe only the most basic hunting rifles should be legal, and anything outside hunting should be illegal.

In my opinion I laugh at people with quad rails loaded with accessories, as a rifle is only as usefull as the person wielding it, while more accessories can be a burden rather than a help. But I believe all accessories should stay legal, as well as mods and even things like pistol grips and collapsible stocks.

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You wake up in the middle of the night to an intrudrer, you are going to want that flashlight, even that red dot on your quad rail.
 
You wake up in the middle of the night to an intrudrer, you are going to want that flashlight, even that red dot on your quad rail.

exactly-identifying targets in a home is a key requirement. I am not a fan of LASERS though except for some very limited applications
 
exactly-identifying targets in a home is a key requirement. I am not a fan of LASERS though except for some very limited applications



Lasers have a good purpose for home defense, I am not sure of the current conventional wisdom on them but they were looked down upon when I used to teach CQB, i then and today still disagree with that sentiment. Especially for undertrained home defense types.
 
exactly-identifying targets in a home is a key requirement. I am not a fan of LASERS though except for some very limited applications

For me, the person at the noisy end (as opposed to the stinky end) of the Rottweiler is the target.
 
Lasers have a good purpose for home defense, I am not sure of the current conventional wisdom on them but they were looked down upon when I used to teach CQB, i then and today still disagree with that sentiment. Especially for undertrained home defense types.

three issues I have with lasers (now I have one on a SIG Piston driven AR 15 pistol since I usually shoot that by tucking the brace under my arm and use the laser to line it up-this was before the latest ATF ruling on "pistol braces")

1) good pistol shooters are taught to watch your front sights-lasers detract from that and for most people trying to find that red spot on the target is slower than the front sight

2) if you have to "look" for an intruder in your home, that laser can give you away

3) it doesn't have any use identifying the target and looking for the mark can cause tunnel vision and misidentification of a target

and while they are getting better-they can fail


where they are very useful-prison-mope has a guard held hostage. Putting that red dot on the mope's forehead often cause them to give up. Also is verification of a clean line of a shot.
 
three issues I have with lasers (now I have one on a SIG Piston driven AR 15 pistol since I usually shoot that by tucking the brace under my arm and use the laser to line it up-this was before the latest ATF ruling on "pistol braces")

1) good pistol shooters are taught to watch your front sights-lasers detract from that and for most people trying to find that red spot on the target is slower than the front sight

2) if you have to "look" for an intruder in your home, that laser can give you away

3) it doesn't have any use identifying the target and looking for the mark can cause tunnel vision and misidentification of a target

and while they are getting better-they can fail


where they are very useful-prison-mope has a guard held hostage. Putting that red dot on the mope's forehead often cause them to give up. Also is verification of a clean line of a shot.





I'm thinking the momentary on flashlight combos. no, a flashlight is 100% more important than a laser, but both with a grogy minimally experienced shooter, I feel it adds an edge. Shoot house timing went up everytime we ran it with the laser, that was always a fact. but yeah dependency on things like red dot scopes, lasers, etc is not reccomended, it's something to help you. not take over.
 
three issues I have with lasers (now I have one on a SIG Piston driven AR 15 pistol since I usually shoot that by tucking the brace under my arm and use the laser to line it up-this was before the latest ATF ruling on "pistol braces")

1) good pistol shooters are taught to watch your front sights-lasers detract from that and for most people trying to find that red spot on the target is slower than the front sight

2) if you have to "look" for an intruder in your home, that laser can give you away

3) it doesn't have any use identifying the target and looking for the mark can cause tunnel vision and misidentification of a target

and while they are getting better-they can fail


where they are very useful-prison-mope has a guard held hostage. Putting that red dot on the mope's forehead often cause them to give up. Also is verification of a clean line of a shot.
Heres why I like my flashlight laser combo on my Sub2K. The flashlight is a monster. It really lights the room. I occasionally have other people in the home. Ideally...I agree...I want to be able to put a front sight on the target. At night...in my home...I want my vision to be peripherally available to see everything possible without coming off the front sight or trying to re-acquire the front sight.
 
three issues I have with lasers (now I have one on a SIG Piston driven AR 15 pistol since I usually shoot that by tucking the brace under my arm and use the laser to line it up-this was before the latest ATF ruling on "pistol braces")

1) good pistol shooters are taught to watch your front sights-lasers detract from that and for most people trying to find that red spot on the target is slower than the front sight

2) if you have to "look" for an intruder in your home, that laser can give you away

3) it doesn't have any use identifying the target and looking for the mark can cause tunnel vision and misidentification of a target

and while they are getting better-they can fail


where they are very useful-prison-mope has a guard held hostage. Putting that red dot on the mope's forehead often cause them to give up. Also is verification of a clean line of a shot.

I'm focusing more on point shooting these days, after becoming fairly proficient at target shooting & moving and shooting at distances up to 30 feet.

I live alone. If you are in my bedroom uninvited, I dont need to identify anything more than species. I will have called out before that point to enable someone to identify themselves.

And since I have my bedroom set up as a safe room, including real cover, I have no plans to go looking for an intruder or clearing my house. I defend the bedroom and call 911 (which will likely be a long time in coming to my rural property)

I do have a tactical flashlight right on the bedside table shelf with my 9mm.
 
I'm focusing more on point shooting these days, after becoming fairly proficient at target shooting & moving and shooting at distances up to 30 feet.

I live alone. If you are in my bedroom uninvited, I dont need to identify anything more than species. I will have called out before that point to enable someone to identify themselves.

And since I have my bedroom set up as a safe room, including real cover, I have no plans to go looking for an intruder or clearing my house. I defend the bedroom and call 911 (which will likely be a long time in coming to my rural property)

I do have a tactical flashlight right on the bedside table shelf with my 9mm.

makes sense

that is why when someone claims there is One best firearm for home defense I laugh

if you live alone, a shotgun might well be your best bet

if you have several small children and you might have to go collect them etc, a handgun is a better choice

if you have extensive property with say more than one building, an AR might be the best choice.

if you can barricade yourself in a safe room behind cover (something that will stop incoming rounds) that is the best choice-a semi auto shotgun is the best defensive weapon to control a safe room from behind cover.
 
makes sense

that is why when someone claims there is One best firearm for home defense I laugh

if you live alone, a shotgun might well be your best bet

if you have several small children and you might have to go collect them etc, a handgun is a better choice

if you have extensive property with say more than one building, an AR might be the best choice.

if you can barricade yourself in a safe room behind cover (something that will stop incoming rounds) that is the best choice-a semi auto shotgun is the best defensive weapon to control a safe room from behind cover.

Yeah I wouldnt mind a shotgun option but just havent seen a way to justify the funds. Right now am trying to save for a laser for my Shield.
 
Yes. With 16 grandchildren and their friends in and out of my home on a daily basis, I view safety as a crucial responsibility.

My daily carry is either on my person or in a lockbox.

When you go out with your throwing knives and guns do you take anything else? A katana strapped to your back?
 
three issues I have with lasers

2) if you have to "look" for an intruder in your home, that laser can give you away.

True. I was watching a documentary last night where a bunch of apes wiped out a human tactical team that came in with laser sighting.
 
You wake up in the middle of the night to an intrudrer, you are going to want that flashlight, even that red dot on your quad rail.

This is why we keep a really big dog in the home. He may be stupid, lazy, a coward, but no one is stealing his toys. Except our 3lb midget cat. She rules.

Seriously, in the case of an intruder, forget the flashlight. It can be blinding for upwards of 90 seconds. In today's world of LED lighting, better to have a low light ambient lighting system in the home and it won't interfere with sleep for most. Not a significant power drain. And upon waking suddenly, the ability of the human eye to discern is very powerful, strong enough to distinguish a target from someone who belongs in the home in low light. Add a short vocal challenge, and only acquire the target from a ready position dif the response is not from a familiar voice. In most home environments range is limited, and accuracy at short ranges doesn't require exact precision.
 
When you go out with your throwing knives and guns do you take anything else? A katana strapped to your back?

Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

Thanks for reminding me why I prefer a mature, honest and intelligent woman in my life.
 
Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

Thanks for reminding me why I prefer a mature, honest and intelligent woman in my life.

WTF?

You gag little girls and tie them up and toss them in your trunk?

Are you posting from prison?
 
This is why we keep a really big dog in the home. He may be stupid, lazy, a coward, but no one is stealing his toys. Except our 3lb midget cat. She rules.

Seriously, in the case of an intruder, forget the flashlight. It can be blinding for upwards of 90 seconds. In today's world of LED lighting, better to have a low light ambient lighting system in the home and it won't interfere with sleep for most. Not a significant power drain. And upon waking suddenly, the ability of the human eye to discern is very powerful, strong enough to distinguish a target from someone who belongs in the home in low light. Add a short vocal challenge, and only acquire the target from a ready position dif the response is not from a familiar voice. In most home environments range is limited, and accuracy at short ranges doesn't require exact precision.

I am sure that was meant to sound experienced and tactically proficient and all...

...but it didn't.
 
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Home defense
Suppressed Glock 9mm with very bright weapon mounted flashlight.
 
I am sure that was meant to sound experienced and tactically proficient and all...

...but it didn't.

As if you'd know. Go flash a light in a dark room. That'll keep you occupied for no good reason. It's always interesting when you attempt to pass off your fiction readings with real life.

Jack Reacher. ROFL
 
I can understand how hobbiests could get into it. The only accessory I use is a laser sight on my home defense weapon. It makes for easier target acquisition in the dark. And it blinds the target. And it scares the target, hopefully making it less likely I would have to fire.

i had a friend give me an excellent laser pointer once, and that is what i do with it.
I have never had to use it in a conflict, but that is the plan.
Point the laser pointer at them and hope they run away.
if not, then 000 Buck will be in their immediate future.
No, the extra "0" was not a typo.
Something comforting about 10ea .36 caliber balls with each pull of the trigger.
I can fix the dislocated shoulder later on.
 
three issues I have with lasers (now I have one on a SIG Piston driven AR 15 pistol since I usually shoot that by tucking the brace under my arm and use the laser to line it up-this was before the latest ATF ruling on "pistol braces")

1) good pistol shooters are taught to watch your front sights-lasers detract from that and for most people trying to find that red spot on the target is slower than the front sight

2) if you have to "look" for an intruder in your home, that laser can give you away

3) it doesn't have any use identifying the target and looking for the mark can cause tunnel vision and misidentification of a target

and while they are getting better-they can fail


where they are very useful-prison-mope has a guard held hostage. Putting that red dot on the mope's forehead often cause them to give up. Also is verification of a clean line of a shot.

I agree with all three points you made.
I bought a laser once, and now it resides in my GUN STUFF tub.
My 1911 is bare bones, and I am a point shooter.
I practice with 10 inch paper plates and double tap in practice.
There is only two of us in the house unless we just had a party and someone was too tipsy to drive home.
Normally it is just us two, but even then, I am a light sleeper.
I just hope this discussion remains academic for all of us.
 
i had a friend give me an excellent laser pointer once, and that is what i do with it.
I have never had to use it in a conflict, but that is the plan.
Point the laser pointer at them and hope they run away.
if not, then 000 Buck will be in their immediate future.
No, the extra "0" was not a typo.
Something comforting about 10ea .36 caliber balls with each pull of the trigger.
I can fix the dislocated shoulder later on.

One of the problems I have with lasers is that they kinda work both ways....we discovered that pretty quickly in Iraq.

We usually restricted ourselves to IR lasers in many cases simply because the locals couldn't see them with the naked eye, and the other side didn't have widespread access to NVG's.
 
One of the problems I have with lasers is that they kinda work both ways....we discovered that pretty quickly in Iraq.

We usually restricted ourselves to IR lasers in many cases simply because the locals couldn't see them with the naked eye, and the other side didn't have widespread access to NVG's.

yeah if you have NV lasers light the opposition up Same if someone is using active IR and you have a passive NV. they are sitting ducks
 
Yeah I wouldnt mind a shotgun option but just havent seen a way to justify the funds. Right now am trying to save for a laser for my Shield.

PM inbound. You can freely have the one I have that is sitting in the tub. I have no need for it.
 
This is why we keep a really big dog in the home. He may be stupid, lazy, a coward, but no one is stealing his toys. Except our 3lb midget cat. She rules.

Seriously, in the case of an intruder, forget the flashlight. It can be blinding for upwards of 90 seconds. In today's world of LED lighting, better to have a low light ambient lighting system in the home and it won't interfere with sleep for most. Not a significant power drain. And upon waking suddenly, the ability of the human eye to discern is very powerful, strong enough to distinguish a target from someone who belongs in the home in low light. Add a short vocal challenge, and only acquire the target from a ready position dif the response is not from a familiar voice. In most home environments range is limited, and accuracy at short ranges doesn't require exact precision.

^^^ This ^^^
The wife is kinda afraid of the dark so she has these little LED night lights all over the place.
Plenty of light to make your way to pee late night, but not enough to keep you awake.
and easily enough light to ID an intruder.
All the major rooms have them.
I even have two in my away kit. I kinda got used to them.
 
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