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HR 38 passes House

BretJ said:
I am being facetious. That is what the respective governments of those states believe. I know most Californians and New Yorkers are capable even if their politicians think otherwise.
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Yeah, I edited my comment too late. I saw your reply to another poster. Apologies.
 
VanceMack said:
Im not really sure I think this is a good idea for a lot of reasons. First and foremost though...I dont think the fed should be allowed to impose its will on the states. I would have rather seen a national Constitutional Carry...not Concealed Carry law.
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I agree (if I understand the distinctions) but IMO this will be interesting if it passes. Let's see what happens and see if there's "blood in the streets" or if it's really a non-issue.

Much like when, about 15 yrs ago or so, the gates sort of 'opened' on states making cc easier, this was the framework: 'the sky is falling, people will be slaughtering each other!' And yet the gun crimes committed legally carrying citizens are very minimal.
 
gfm7175 said:
But this is the problem... The feds never had the right under Article 1 Section 8 to legislate on "marriage equality" in the first place...

And what people seem to forget, or don't care about, is that the STATES created the federal government... The STATES enumerated certain powers to the federal government... If those powers aren't enumerated in the Constitution, those powers remain with the STATES... That's what the Constitution says if you actually abide by it, read/comprehend what the literal text says, and remember that the STATES created the federal government, NOT the other way around... The "creator" has more power than the "creation" so to say...
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You can't stuff toothpaste back in the tube. It's set as precedent now
 
So if this passes, would I be able to carry my 17 round 9mm in CA where it's over the mag capacity limit? Or would I have to comply?
 
Lursa said:
So if this passes, would I be able to carry my 17 round 9mm in CA where it's over the mag capacity limit? Or would I have to comply?
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IMO you could carry the 9mm but would be limited to only having the 10 rounds CA law allows. It's about CA saying we don't recognise your right to carry issued by VA. Not about CA limiting rounds in a handgun.
 
Chillfolks said:
IMO you could carry the 9mm but would be limited to only having the 10 rounds CA law allows. It's about CA saying we don't recognise your right to carry issued by VA. Not about CA limiting rounds in a handgun.
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Well that's what I mean. If you were carrying, are you subject to the cc regulations of those states?

In some states you can carry only a specific gun or guns listed on the permit. My state has no such requirement.
 
Lursa said:
Well that's what I mean. If you were carrying, are you subject to the cc regulations of those states?

In some states you can carry only a specific gun or guns listed on the permit. My state has no such requirement.
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Do you have a link to the states regulating the specific kind? I've not seen that before but would like to. I've seen states require a CC to carry such things as pepper spray.

And would think yes you are subject to there laws in their state.
 
Chillfolks said:
Do you have a link to the states regulating the specific kind? I've not seen that before but would like to. I've seen states require a CC to carry such things as pepper spray.

And would think yes you are subject to there laws in their state.
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I dont remember off-hand.

Thanks.
 
Lursa said:
Well that's what I mean. If you were carrying, are you subject to the cc regulations of those states?

In some states you can carry only a specific gun or guns listed on the permit. My state has no such requirement.
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In NY you can only carry what's on your permit. In NJ you can only have one gun on your permit, so basically you can only own one handgun there.
 
holbritter said:
In NY you can only carry what's on your permit. In NJ you can only have one gun on your permit, so basically you can only own one handgun there.
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well in NJ you could own more than one but only carry the one registered on the permit then. My sister lives in NJ (I'm from there but long gone). My bro-in-law and neice & pephew love shooting and shoot clays. WHen they wanted their permits, the process was incredibly invasive and IMO humiliating. THey needed 3 references EACH and had to be interviewed. It's still a "May" issue state so they judge who should carry and who shouldnt.

Well that's ok, I only carry one at a time :)

OTOH, I do know of people that carry more than one.
 
Lursa said:
well in NJ you could own more than one but only carry the one registered on the permit then. My sister lives in NJ (I'm from there but long gone). My bro-in-law and neice & pephew love shooting and shoot clays. WHen they wanted their permits, the process was incredibly invasive and IMO humiliating. THey needed 3 references EACH and had to be interviewed. It's still a "May" issue state so they judge who should carry and who shouldnt.

Well that's ok, I only carry one at a time :)

OTOH, I do know of people that carry more than one.
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Oh, ok. I misunderstood the person then. Yeah, one is enough for me as well. :)
 
Chillfolks said:
You can't stuff toothpaste back in the tube. It's set as precedent now
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This mindset is one of the many reasons why this country is f***ed... the willingness to unconstitutionally give the federal government an extremely loose leash for it to slip right out of... we've opened Pandora's box...
 
Lursa said:
well in NJ you could own more than one but only carry the one registered on the permit then. My sister lives in NJ (I'm from there but long gone). My bro-in-law and neice & pephew love shooting and shoot clays. WHen they wanted their permits, the process was incredibly invasive and IMO humiliating. THey needed 3 references EACH and had to be interviewed. It's still a "May" issue state so they judge who should carry and who shouldnt.

Well that's ok, I only carry one at a time :)

OTOH, I do know of people that carry more than one.
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yep, hopefully Trump appointees will start overturning lots of that state idiocy
 
TurtleDude said:
that really has nothing to do with reciprocity since say KY has no say how much Ohio charges me for my CCW. I see your point-open carry should be free
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Why shouldn't any carry be both free and reciprocal? There are no modifiers in shall not be infringed.
 
VanceMack said:
Im not really sure I think this is a good idea for a lot of reasons. First and foremost though...I dont think the fed should be allowed to impose its will on the states. I would have rather seen a national Constitutional Carry...not Concealed Carry law.
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That's the point of the 10th. Only a few powers are reserved and granted to the feds. #2 is a power reserved by the feds. Along with most of the first 10.

Should there be a state fee for practicing religion or speaking or not incriminating yourself? If not, why the second?
 
Lursa said:
I agree (if I understand the distinctions) but IMO this will be interesting if it passes. Let's see what happens and see if there's "blood in the streets" or if it's really a non-issue.

Much like when, about 15 yrs ago or so, the gates sort of 'opened' on states making cc easier, this was the framework: 'the sky is falling, people will be slaughtering each other!' And yet the gun crimes committed legally carrying citizens are very minimal.
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IMO, this bill is more about just passing through than hanging out for a while. Depending on the final version. you will still have to abide by local laws

Virginia as an example has recently passed bills allowing guns on college property and in bars. I doubt if my Va CC will allow that in Illinois.
 
jimbo said:
That's the point of the 10th. Only a few powers are reserved and granted to the feds. #2 is a power reserved by the feds. Along with most of the first 10.

Should there be a state fee for practicing religion or speaking or not incriminating yourself? If not, why the second?
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Just to play devils advocate. In many states there are fees associated with parades/rallies/gatherings so in a way we do have to pay for some forms of speech. People pay lawyers loads of cash to make sure they don't incriminate themselves. In my state religious items are taxed so in a way I'm paying to practice.

I don't totally disagree with your point just don't see it as black and white as you made it out
 
Chillfolks said:
Just to play devils advocate. In many states there are fees associated with parades/rallies/gatherings so in a way we do have to pay for some forms of speech. People pay lawyers loads of cash to make sure they don't incriminate themselves. In my state religious items are taxed so in a way I'm paying to practice.

I don't totally disagree with your point just don't see it as black and white as you made it out
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I live in Va; I'm not aware of any tax on religion. In fact the opposite. Churches are not taxed on their real or personal property down to the house the preacher lives in. No income taxes on the day care center or the bingo game or the cookie sales. What taxes do churches pay?

Permit fees for parades etc, are for the use of the property by the parade. You can walk all day around your own property yelling the end is near without paying a fee. You are under no obligation to hire a lawyer nor do you pay a fee for doing so.
 
jimbo said:
I live in Va; I'm not aware of any tax on religion. In fact the opposite. Churches are not taxed on their real or personal property down to the house the preacher lives in. No income taxes on the day care center or the bingo game or the cookie sales. What taxes do churches pay?

Permit fees for parades etc, are for the use of the property by the parade. You can walk all day around your own property yelling the end is near without paying a fee. You are under no obligation to hire a lawyer nor do you pay a fee for doing so.
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Do you have the constitutional right to leave and enter this country? Because you have to pay a fee for a passport
 
vegas giants said:
Do you have the constitutional right to leave and enter this country? Because you have to pay a fee for a passport
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We discussed this and you were wrong.

You dont need anything to leave.

To re-enter you dont have to have a passport. You can go to a consulate or embassy. You can have a birth certificate, which you get when you're born.

Nice try (again) tho.
 
Lursa said:
We discussed this and you were wrong.

You dont need anything to leave.

To re-enter you dont have to have a passport. You can go to a consulate or embassy. You can have a birth certificate, which you get when you're born.

Nice try (again) tho.
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No sorry. You need a passport
 
vegas giants said:
No sorry. You need a passport
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You are into self-flagellation eh?

Can you get into the US with a birth certificate?
American Citizens: A passport is not required but is strongly recommended. Alternatively, you will need other documentation that shows proof of American citizenship such as a birth certificate, a certificate of citizenship or naturalization or a Certificate of Indian Status, plus a photo ID.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ent...0j69i57j0l2.5281j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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Took 2 seconds
 
Lursa said:
You are into self-flagellation eh?



Took 2 seconds
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This is easy. LOL

Air Travel: All U.S. citizens departing from or entering the United States from within the Western Hemisphere by air are required to present a valid passport or a NEXUS card (if utilizing a NEXUS kiosk when departing from a designated Canadian airport). Merchant Mariner Document (for U.S. citizens on official maritime business.) U.S. Military identification card when traveling on official orders:*Children are also required to present their own passport when traveling by air.
 
vegas giants said:
This is easy. LOL

Air Travel: All U.S. citizens departing from or entering the United States from within the Western Hemisphere by air are required to present a valid passport or a NEXUS card (if utilizing a NEXUS kiosk when departing from a designated Canadian airport). Merchant Mariner Document (for U.S. citizens on official maritime business.) U.S. Military identification card when traveling on official orders:*Children are also required to present their own passport when traveling by air.
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Yours is exclusively about flight. :doh

What part of "a passport isnt needed" wasnt clear in my link?

You dont need one. I dont need one for CA or Mexico.
 
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