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Should Hawaii become the model for nationwide gun-control?

Uh....how is filling out a form or waiting three days putting your familys life in jeopardy?

We might get attacked during that period....even while awaiting approval.

Hey, if you're going to post silly stuff, you have to expect silly back.
 
Sure. Go for it

Well maybe I'll open it up to a wider group that would be inclined to respond more honestly than you and see if they think it's ridiculous and a burden to have to have your breath analyzed for alcohol everything they start their cars.
 
No, and Hawaii's gun hating laws have not been proven to be the reason for the lower crime rates. Hawaii is extremely hateful towards citizens being able to legally carry. Its idiotic gun registration program is also a waste of time.

Well according to a certain theory I sometimes hear, societies where guns are restricted should be the most unsafe of all. So why is Hawaii different?
 
Well maybe I'll open it up to a wider group that would be inclined to respond more honestly than you and see if they think it's ridiculous and a burden to have to have your breath analyzed for alcohol everything they start their cars.

Why is it ridiculous. Its sounds like a great idea
 
We might get attacked during that period....even while awaiting approval.

Hey, if you're going to post silly stuff, you have to expect silly back.

I didn't realize you live in Syria.
 
THe price for their decision is worth my life or my safety or that of my family?

No. Maybe you think your family isnt worth more, but mine is.

Homes with guns in them have higher rates of homicide, suicide, as well as domestic violence and intimidation using the weapon. The same pattern holds for cities, states, and countries as well. If you value your family's safety, you would get rid of the guns in your home. They are not helping you.

The public’s confidence in firearms is woefully misguided: The evidence overwhelmingly shows that guns leave everybody less safe, including their owners.

A study from October 2013 analyzed data from 27 developed nations to examine the impact of firearm prevalence on the mortality rate. It found an extremely strong direct relationship between the number of firearms and firearm deaths. The paper concludes: “The current study debunks the widely quoted hypothesis that guns make a nation safer.” This finding is bolstered by several previous studies that have revealed a significant link between gun ownership and firearm-related deaths. This international comparison is especially harrowing for women and children, who die from gun violence in America at far higher rates than in other countries.

The most recent study examining the relationship between firearms and homicide rates on a state level, published last April, found a significant positive relationship between gun ownership and overall homicide levels. Using data from 1981–2010 and the best firearm ownership proxy to date, the study found that for every 1 percent increase in gun ownership, there was a 1.1 percent increase in the firearm homicide rate and a 0.7 percent increase in the total homicide rate. This was after controlling for factors such as poverty, unemployment, income inequality, alcohol consumption, and nonhomicide violent crime. Further, the firearm ownership rate had no statistically significant impact on nonfirearm homicides, meaning there was no detectable substitution effect. That is, in the absence of guns, would-be criminals are not switching to knives or some other weapons to carry out homicide. These results are supported by a host of previous studies that illustrate that guns increase the rate of homicides.

One might accept that firearms are dangerous and that they substantially elevate the risk of homicide, suicide, and fatal accidents, but still believe that policies regulating gun ownership are ineffective—criminals, after all, won’t follow them. However, another recent study from May of 2013 analyzed the impact of state firearm laws on firearm-related fatalities. It found that the most gun-restrictive states have significantly fewer firearm fatalities than the states with the least restrictive laws. The results are in line with previous academic studies tackling the same question...

Gun advocates may counter that this doesn’t reveal the entire picture. After all, case studies of these fatal gun incidents can’t capture the benefits that widespread defensive gun use bestows on society. However, despite the NRA’s mantra that there are millions of defensive gun uses every year, empirical data reveals that DGUs are actually extremely rare. Criminal uses of firearms far outnumber legal defensive uses. The evidence shows that there may be fewer than even 3,000 DGUs annually. In comparison, there are 30,000 gun deaths annually, and many more injuries and shattered lives. The costs of gun ownership unequivocally outweigh the benefits...


Gun advocates may argue that this reality is a consequence of the fact that there are too few guns; perhaps nonstranger homicides would be lower if everyone you knew were packing heat. Yet a study examining data from the National Crime Victimization Survey found that people who used any weapon other than a gun for defense were less likely to be harmed than those who used a firearm.

So before you purchase a gun for self-defense, please pause to reflect. Your weapon is much more likely to end up being used to harm than for good, even if you’re one of the “good guys.” The odds are not in your favor.
Good guy with a gun myth: Guns increase the risk of homicide, accidents, suicide.
 
The problem with states determining their own gun policies is that the gun laws of one state can undermine the gun laws of another state. Guns can be trafficked from states with lax gun laws to states with strict gun laws. Thus, gun control needs to be consistent across the US.

Replace the word gun with illegal immigrant and you have my vote, that would eliminate sanctuary cities.
 
Homes with guns in them have higher rates of homicide, suicide, as well as domestic violence and intimidation using the weapon. If you value your family's safety, you would get rid of the guns in your home. They are not helping you.

The article omits the many, documented cases where guns protect homes, defend lives and stop a crime in progress. I have lived in homes with guns all my life, not once has any of your listed, bad things occurred. Appeal to emotion...fails.
 
The article omits the many, documented cases where guns protect homes, defend lives and stop a crime in progress. I have lived in homes with guns all my life, not once has any of your listed, bad things occurred. Appeal to emotion...fails.

It's not an appeal to emotions: it's just an appeal to the facts and statistics. It's like someone saying they have smoked their whole life and never have any of the claimed bad things about smoking ever happened to them. That's not a reason to say smoking is safe.

The facts show that the less guns in a society, the more safe it is. That's the facts . It doesn't matter if people in the gun culture use their guns 10 times a day each for defensive use. If you live in a war zone, you will need to use your firearms many, many times for defensive use. That doesn't mean such a war zone is a safe place to live. It just means if your grandma lives in such a gun culture, she will need to pack an AK-47 and use it a few times just to make it to the grocery store and back. That's not a safer society

Such a gun culture benefits only one interest group: gun manufacturers.
 
Homes with guns in them have higher rates of homicide, suicide, as well as domestic violence and intimidation using the weapon. The same pattern holds for cities, states, and countries as well. If you value your family's safety, you would get rid of the guns in your home. They are not helping you.

"Your weapon is much more likely to end up being used to harm than for good, "

What is "for good" in this story, and what is the exact risk? I know that cars kill 40,000 a year. I should sell my car, too.
 
It's not an appeal to emotions: it's just an appeal to the facts and statistics. It's like someone saying they have smoked their whole life and never have any of the claimed bad things about smoking ever happened to them. That's not a reason to say smoking is safe.

The facts show that the less guns in a society, the more safe it is. That's the facts . It doesn't matter if people in the gun culture use their guns 10 times a day each for defensive use. If you live in a war zone, you will need to use your firearms many, many times for defensive use. That doesn't mean such a war zone is a safe place to live. It just means if your grandma lives in such a gun culture, she will need to pack an AK-47 and use it a few times just to make it to the grocery store and back. That's not a safer society

Such a gun culture benefits only one interest group: gun manufacturers.

"The facts show that the more guns in a society, the more safe it is. That's the facts ." Ataraxia

Thanks for the .sig.
 
The problem with states determining their own gun policies is that the gun laws of one state can undermine the gun laws of another state. Guns can be trafficked from states with lax gun laws to states with strict gun laws. Thus, gun control needs to be consistent across the US.

I disagree.
 
"Your weapon is much more likely to end up being used to harm than for good, "

What is "for good" in this story, and what is the exact risk? I know that cars kill 40,000 a year. I should sell my car, too.

You are getting confused on the topic here. Whatever that risk is, it's not making you safer. If you want exact numbers, we can get into that too. But that's a different topic.

Guns do not make for a safer society. Hawaii proves that. And so do all other developed nations in the world.
 
"The facts show that the more guns in a society, the more safe it is. That's the facts ." Ataraxia

Thanks for the .sig.

Woops! Yeah, I fixed that before I saw your post. Sorry!
 
You are getting confused on the topic here. Whatever that risk is, it's not making you safer. If you want exact numbers, we can get into that too. But that's a different topic.

Guns do not make for a safer society. Hawaii proves that. And so do all other developed nations in the world.

No, that's a claim in what you posted. What are they measuring as "good"?

What is the actual risk of a gun in the house?
 
You are getting confused on the topic here. Whatever that risk is, it's not making you safer. If you want exact numbers, we can get into that too. But that's a different topic.

Guns do not make for a safer society. Hawaii proves that. And so do all other developed nations in the world.

Another question. Does every single gun in a society add to the risk?
 
No, that's a claim in what you posted. What are they measuring as "good"?

What is the actual risk of a gun in the house?

You can look up the studies:

Examining the relationship between the prevalence of guns and homicide rates in the USA using a new and improved state-level gun ownership proxy | Injury Prevention
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20571454
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17070975
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10619696
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25121817

From the abstract of the last study:

RESULTS:

We found no robust, statistically significant correlation between gun ownership and stranger firearm homicide rates. However, we found a positive and significant association between gun ownership and nonstranger firearm homicide rates. The incidence rate ratio for nonstranger firearm homicide rate associated with gun ownership was 1.014 (95% confidence interval=1.009, 1.019).

CONCLUSIONS:

Our findings challenge the argument that gun ownership deters violent crime, in particular, homicides.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25121817
 
If you can't afford a passport you can't afford to travel so the point is moot.

This is piss poor reasoning, and can also be used by anti gun groups. If you can't afford the registration fee or background check fee then you can't afford a gun.

My biggest concern on requiring background checks or registration is the fee will be set high limiting our rights with taxes.

You want a little Ruger.380.
Ok that's $250 for the gun $750 for the background check another $500 for the registration fee. Come back in 6 months to a year once it's all processd to pick it up
 
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Homes with guns in them have higher rates of homicide, suicide, as well as domestic violence and intimidation using the weapon. The same pattern holds for cities, states, and countries as well. If you value your family's safety, you would get rid of the guns in your home. They are not helping you.

Again, not a public safety hazard.

These are individual home owner decisions, not yours. It takes away the choices of those who chose to have firearms for protections. And people DO use them for self-defense and home protection. The decisions on risks like with the home owner/gun owner, not people that wont pay the consequences.
 
It's not an appeal to emotions: it's just an appeal to the facts and statistics. It's like someone saying they have smoked their whole life and never have any of the claimed bad things about smoking ever happened to them. That's not a reason to say smoking is safe.

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And I dont notice the govt making smoking illegal.
 
No, that's a claim in what you posted. What are they measuring as "good"?

What is the actual risk of a gun in the house?

Exactly. I am a woman alone in a rural home. Cops are more than just a few minutes away. I have training and preparation. I have a better chance in a home invasion or break in with my firearm than without. Certainly since those breaking in will be armed and/or stronger than myself.

It should be no one else's decision to deny me that.
 
Does every single cigarette add to the risk of lung cancer?

No, the ones not smoked do not. Does every single gun in society add to the risk?
 
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