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Hawaii gun confiscation, we knew it! [W:357]

Absentglare said:
Not at all. The "need" to carry a concealed and loaded firearm ultimately can only be explained by an irrational fear of other people that requires the subject to retain the threat of homicide against the object of their fears.



Oh? How many people are killed by gay marriage every year?
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that is so ridiculous.

homosexual sex has caused more deaths than licensed CCW carriers have.
 
MrWonka said:
Nonsense. No serious Liberals support this. I could maybe see Hawaii trying to crack down on guns, but not using medical marijuana as an excuse.
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the federal laws against the use of weed in the several states need to be eliminated
 
BretJ said:
Well if a gay couple wants to get married but live in a state where it is illegal, they should just move to a state that allows it and avoid states that dont....awesome rational.
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Oh? How many people are killed as a result of gay marriage?

BretJ said:
Yet I can freely drive a car registered in another state through California which does not even remotely meet Californias smog emissions standards. Now if i want to become a resident, that is a different matter.
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Yes, this is because cars are useful for transportation. For obsessive paranoia, i believe medication would be better than a firearm.
 
Absentglare said:
Oh? How many people are killed as a result of gay marriage?



Yes, this is because cars are useful for transportation. For obsessive paranoia, i believe medication would be better than a firearm.
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do you have any evidence-whatsoever, that most, or even a significant minority of those who have CCW permits are PARANOID? that is what you are claiming

lots of people get CCWs for reasons that have nothing to do with even carrying

1) in Ohio, if you don't have a ccw, its a pain to transport firearms with loaded magazines. If you are a serious USPSA, 3G or steel shooter, loading 10-20 magazines right before you compete is a PITA. If you have a ccw, you can carry your pistol in a bag with dozens of loaded magazines without any hassle

2) in ohio if your CCW is fairly recent, when you buy another firearm, you are no longer subject to the background check though you still must fill out the 4473. that is a big advantage this time during the year because with lots of people buying guns as gifts, the data base often crashes and that prevents you from being able to pick up the gun-you must come back and deal with the crowds in some stores. SO I know ten people who are serious collectors who never carry who have the CCW.

3) if you are stopped by a cop and tell them you have a ccw (which used to be required in ohio) and you have guns in your car, you are far less likely to be hassled.

so there are many good reasons to have a ccw even if you don't carry.
 
Absentglare said:
Oh? How many people are killed as a result of gay marriage?



Yes, this is because cars are useful for transportation. For obsessive paranoia, i believe medication would be better than a firearm.
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Let's see, I carry a firearm CCW on the off chance I may need to protect myself and you believe that to be obsessive paranoia. Yet you claim I shouldn't carry based on an even more unlikely possibility I may harm someone with it. You don't feel that is obsessive paranoia? Brilliant.
 
Absentglare said:
Oh? How many deaths have gay marriage licenses caused?
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no more than CCW permits have caused

no less either. there has to be an additional action
 
BretJ said:
Let's see, I carry a firearm CCW on the off chance I may need to protect myself and you believe that to be obsessive paranoia. Yet you claim I shouldn't carry based on an even more unlikely possibility I may harm someone with it. You don't feel that is obsessive paranoia? Brilliant.
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good points

1) we need more laws imposed on HONEST gun owners to prevent them from causing crime but

2) you don't need firearms for self defense because the chance of a criminal attack is so rare
 
BretJ said:
Let's see, I carry a firearm CCW on the off chance I may need to protect myself and you believe that to be obsessive paranoia. Yet you claim I shouldn't carry based on an even more unlikely possibility I may harm someone with it. You don't feel that is obsessive paranoia? Brilliant.
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Forcing residents to be disarmed and allowing non-natives (like the Neo Nazis who protested in Charlottesville) to conceal firearms is not justified. There is no reason to usurp state and local laws. I already explained this with the courtroom and football stadium examples.
 
TurtleDude said:
no more than CCW permits have caused

no less either. there has to be an additional action
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Correct, which is why the deaths from homosexual sex would be analogous to the deaths from lax gun laws, which range in the tens of thousands.
 
TurtleDude said:
good points

1) we need more laws imposed on HONEST gun owners to prevent them from causing crime but

2) you don't need firearms for self defense because the chance of a criminal attack is so rare
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You're the one trying to pass new laws to hurt law abiding citizens, by infringing on states rights.

You don't need to go anywhere that you're uncomfortable. You have no right to bring an arsenal with you, especially not a cowardly hidden one.
 
Absentglare said:
Correct, which is why the deaths from homosexual sex would be analogous to the deaths from lax gun laws, which range in the tens of thousands.
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no that is not correct. you are claiming gun laws that aren't strict enough, fail to prevent people from committing serious felonies. what aren't strict enough are the laws that actually penalize the harmful conduct.

so lets do some thinking

its a life sentence or a death penalty to murder someone with a gun. now those penalties obviously don't stop those who commit murder. how are stricter penalties for gun possession going to stop people who aren't deterred by a life sentence or the needle?
 
TurtleDude said:
that is so ridiculous.

homosexual sex has caused more deaths than licensed CCW carriers have.
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Absentglare said:
You're the one trying to pass new laws to hurt law abiding citizens, by infringing on states rights.

You don't need to go anywhere that you're uncomfortable. You have no right to bring an arsenal with you, especially not a cowardly hidden one.
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1) that is really silly. someone merely carrying a gun with a license harms no one-not even paranoid people who don't trust their neighbors with a clean record from having a firearm

2) your attempt to call one or two guns an
arsenal is really ridiculous as is your attempt to smear those who have CCW permits as being paranoid

the only fear I see is yours over people who pass background checks and can carry guns
 
MovingPictures said:
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how many AIDS deaths have been reported in the USA and how many have come from homosexual anal sex. also add to those people like that victim of a gay dentist in Florida (Kimberly Bergalis IIRC) and people like Arthur Ashe who contracted AIDS from blood transfusions.

then count the number of times CCW permit holder has wrongfully killed someone and would not have had the firearm BUT for the CCW
 
Absentglare said:
You're the one trying to pass new laws to hurt law abiding citizens, by infringing on states rights.e
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States don't have rights; they have powers. Law abiding citizens will not be hurt by reciprocity.

You don't need to go anywhere that you're uncomfortable. You have no right to bring an arsenal with you, especially not a cowardly hidden one.
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Concealed firearms are preferred because an openly carried firearms scares hoplophobes.
 
Rucker61 said:
States don't have rights; they have powers. Law abiding citizens will not be hurt by reciprocity.



Concealed firearms are preferred because an openly carried firearms scares hoplophobes.
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good points, I am still trying to understand how merely carrying a firearm in a manner that is consistent with the laws of one state after the carrier has been vetted, causes harm to anyone else.

its like saying my license to drive in KY harms the "rights" of kentucky residents if I drive my car into a crowd at a street parade in Covington
 
Rucker61 said:
As long as those enumerated powers are lawful and Constitutional.
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But you and I know damn well both sides will NEVER agree on just what those are and what they mean in real life.
 
TurtleDude said:
how many AIDS deaths have been reported in the USA and how many have come from homosexual anal sex. also add to those people like that victim of a gay dentist in Florida (Kimberly Bergalis IIRC) and people like Arthur Ashe who contracted AIDS from blood transfusions.

then count the number of times CCW permit holder has wrongfully killed someone and would not have had the firearm BUT for the CCW
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Another person to add to my ignore list.
 
Absentglare said:
Forcing residents to be disarmed and allowing non-natives (like the Neo Nazis who protested in Charlottesville) to conceal firearms is not justified. There is no reason to usurp state and local laws. I already explained this with the courtroom and football stadium examples.
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You were the one that threw down the obsessive paranoia label. I simply pointed out how ignorant it is. Deal with it.
 
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