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Giffords goes after muzzleloaders

Winchester said:
They didn't say that.
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No but they think you can put a silencer of a black powder file, LMAO! I used to shoot black powder. They are indeed idiot's when it comes to firearms.
 
ludin said:
lol stacked hypotheticals are great meaningless but great.

If he is a felon then he shouldn't have a gun. this is already the law. then again i don't know too many felons that go buy muzzle loaders.
so you have any evidence to support that felons are buying tons of muzzle loaders?

they are quite inefficient weapons.

i might be able to take this more seriously if it wasn't so stupid.
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So amongst your waffling am I to assume you're okay with a violent individual convicted of domestic abuse, etc. buying and owning a muzzleloader without a background check? Why will no one answer the question straightforward, it's pretty simple. And really they aren't stacked hypotheticals, but just in case I'll spell it out for you. Should someone like Devin Kelley be able to legally buy a muzzleloader? Granted he couldn't shoot up a church with it, but he sure could have taken out his MIL.
 
Black Dog said:
No but they think you can put a silencer of a black powder file, LMAO! I used to shoot black powder. They are indeed idiot's when it comes to firearms.
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I will admit that was a pretty ****ing stupid point they were trying to make with the silencer.
 
Winchester said:
They didn't say that.
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"Cue the .50 caliber muzzleloader, which delivers a particularly lethal .50 caliber round," the report said. "This weapon is designed with a built-in device to suppress its sound.

Sure sounds like are describing it as equal to a real 50. sniper rifle. A "built in" suppressor? What is particularly lethal about a 50. muzzleloader, compared to say, a 223. with a 30 round mag?
 
Winchester said:
I would not disagree with you.

So far only one person has actually answered my question though and that was if they got out of jail and served their time they ought to have all their rights restored and if they're still a danger to society they ought not be let out. Latter part I agree with but isn't realistic with our current criminal justice system.
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What rights should a felon loose after they've served their sentence?

Voting free speech freedom of religion

The but for public safety argument can be exploited to justify any of those
 
Black Dog said:
No but they think you can put a silencer of a black powder file, LMAO! I used to shoot black powder. They are indeed idiot's when it comes to firearms.
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I haven't done a lot of black powder but that sounded wrong to me. I've shot 'em and the idea of putting a silencer on one sounds very dubious.

And the .50 muzzle loader sure ain't no 50bmg... :)
 
Goshin said:
I haven't done a lot of black powder but that sounded wrong to me. I've shot 'em and the idea of putting a silencer on one sounds very dubious.

And the .50 muzzle loader sure ain't no 50bmg... :)
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Not even close. But to gun grabbing Giffords, it's a 50 cal, so it must be a sniper weapon. Which is laughable at best. I guess they are afraid of people starting to hunt buffalo on the plains again!
 
Winchester said:
So amongst your waffling am I to assume you're okay with a violent individual convicted of domestic abuse, etc. buying and owning a muzzleloader without a background check? Why will no one answer the question straightforward, it's pretty simple.
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Yes, because the illusion of control is still an illusion.

Reality doesn't care how you feel about it.
 
ludin said:
it is pointless to put a silencer on a muzzleloader.
you never hunted with one have you?

this is another meaningless bs attempt by a bunch of loons.
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Can you imagine trying to clean it?
 
Goshin said:
MMmmm... not really. I've been throwing knives and tomahawks for ... lessee... 37 years, off and on. I don't claim to be expert but I can stick one pretty consistently at reasonable distances.

Given the option I'll take a handgun every time. Random distance, moving target, and limited "ammo" under anything like normal circumstances makes knife throwing dubious as a combat method.
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I would agree if you start with a loaded gun in your hand.

I am hrow tomahawks as well but i'm far better with knives. In my home I can respond far faster against an intruder with a knife.

I only keep one of my guns loaded and it's not always close I usually have knives everywhere.
 
GDViking said:
For who?
I've killed a lot of deer with muzzleloaders ( my favorite method of hunting) and never needed more than one shot.
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Because you're hunting a dumb animal under calm conditions.
 
Black Dog said:
Not even close. But to gun grabbing Giffords, it's a 50 cal, so it must be a sniper weapon. Which is laughable at best. I guess they are afraid of people starting to hunt buffalo on the plains again!
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They are preying on ignorance to sensationalize, this non issue. Note:She is likely, ignorant, too.
 
TurtleDude said:
most people-including almost all cops, cannot draw and fire a handgun in time to stop someone running at them with a knife from a distance of about 22 feet or so.
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If said person with the knife is determined he /she can cover that distance in 1.5 seconds.
 
Winchester said:
I would not disagree with you.

So far only one person has actually answered my question though and that was if they got out of jail and served their time they ought to have all their rights restored and if they're still a danger to society they ought not be let out. Latter part I agree with but isn't realistic with our current criminal justice system.
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Our current criminal justice system is a joke. Yes I agree they should have all rights restored.If however they are violent and depending on the level of violence that is another story.
 
TurtleDude said:
when was the last time someone was robbed or murdered with a Kentucky rifle or a cap and ball colt?
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Robbed or murdered, none I can think of, attemoted murder I can think of one, a mass shooter 2 or 3 years ago in cali who had numerous firearms, and after he was shot down and looked through his car he had more guns, one of them a cap and ball revolver, but obviously that seemed to be his last choice.

Pretty much any criminal who needs a gun for a crime is not going to get a muzzle loader or a cap and ball revolver, they will go to the black market since they plan to commit a crime anyways, the legal staus of the firearm means nothing to them. Pretty much every felon who has bought a muzzleloader has been a reformed felon who bought it for hunting, trying not to break the law, which makes perfect sense since if they wanted a 9mm pistol to commit a crime, they could find a way, either steal a weapon, buy a stolen weapon, buy a black market manufactured weapon(usually made in the third world and smuggled here) or get friends or family to buy them a firearm.
 
I can not believe people would even want to restrict blackpowder muzzleloaders and cap and ball revolvers. They are vastly more complicated to operate than modern firearms, required constant cleaning, due to the corrosive nature of blackpowder, they needed animal fats or equivilent as lube to soften fouling, otherwise the gun would be unfireable after a few shots.

This is on top of understanding primers for percussion, moisture control for all of them, understanding a frizzen and lock of aflinlocke as well as aligning and adjusting the flint on a regular basis, as well as needing two seperate powders, usually 3-4f for the pan and 2f for the barrel. Face it this is why there were so many good shooters back then who became legends, it is because the slow loading nature combined with the difficulty of use meant a high level of knowledge on that weapon was required to use it, a far cry from modern rifles.

Oh and on .50 cal having it's own silencer, the op's article proves the article writer as well as giffords group is completely ignorant on firearms. Many .50 cal muzzleloaders were subsonic in most loads, which was not silent. Add to this an actual silencer if modified to fit would foul out very quick where is would no longer suppress sound, there is a reason suppressors never became widely used until smokeless powder became the norm.
 
beerftw said:
I can not believe people would even want to restrict blackpowder muzzleloaders and cap and ball revolvers. They are vastly more complicated to operate than modern firearms, required constant cleaning, due to the corrosive nature of blackpowder, they needed animal fats or equivilent as lube to soften fouling, otherwise the gun would be unfireable after a few shots.

This is on top of understanding primers for percussion, moisture control for all of them, understanding a frizzen and lock of aflinlocke as well as aligning and adjusting the flint on a regular basis, as well as needing two seperate powders, usually 3-4f for the pan and 2f for the barrel. Face it this is why there were so many good shooters back then who became legends, it is because the slow loading nature combined with the difficulty of use meant a high level of knowledge on that weapon was required to use it, a far cry from modern rifles.

Oh and on .50 cal having it's own silencer, the op's article proves the article writer as well as giffords group is completely ignorant on firearms. Many .50 cal muzzleloaders were subsonic in most loads, which was not silent. Add to this an actual silencer if modified to fit would foul out very quick where is would no longer suppress sound, there is a reason suppressors never became widely used until smokeless powder became the norm.
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My guns, might fire 30 rounds a year, on private land with the owners blessing. I wonder how many people intent on using a cap n ball for crime, can figure out what the other 2 objects are, much less what do with them. They, always sit unloaded, unless it is the rare occasion, I fire them. Watch out beer cans and dirt hills!P1010054 (1).jpg
 
Slingshot Bob said:
My guns, might fire 30 rounds a year, on private land with the owners blessing. I wonder how many people intent on using a cap n ball for crime, can figure out what the other 2 objects are, much less what do with them. They, always sit unloaded, unless it is the rare occasion, I fire them. Watch out beer cans and dirt hills!View attachment 67225065
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remington new army confederate buffalo, and a colt confederate, not too sure on the model, maybe guessing navy and an earier model since it has an octagonal barel, which they ditched later on for the round barrel. The other two are for casting bullets and lead balls.
 
beerftw said:
remington new army confederate buffalo, and a colt confederate, not too sure on the model, maybe guessing navy and an earier model since it has an octagonal barel, which they ditched later on for the round barrel. The other two are for casting bullets and lead balls.
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Quite right, not positive on the top gun, just know it is a colt clone, 44. You are spoton, the Remington, I bought it, the colt(pieta) was a gift. Lyman, 451 double cavity RB mold. And ladle.

Edit:both are piettas made in Italy.
 
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