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Why do liberals only care about lives lost via firearms? [W:106]

Verax said:
Black on black violence is not a problem for me because I do not inject myself into that situation. Alcohol abuse is not a problem for me because I no longer drink. Dying from cigarettes... I don't smoke. Muslim terrorism is statistically very unlikely to ever happen to me.

Liberals raised a stink back in the 80's about drunk driving and they were villainized for it. Remember MADD? They did a good job to cut down on drunks killing people who have no control over stopping a drunk from plowing into you.

A car crash that was not overtly avoidable (humans make mistakes) is the price we pay for convenient travel.

The idea that if I'm out in public I might be the next round of victims in a machine gun massacre is not something anyone should have to deal with. It's largely unavoidable unless you have a gun on you and you're in the perfect position to retaliate.

The pattern here is that people don't want to die from things they cannot prevent that come about because of silly things like proliferation and easy access to firearms.
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OK So because you no longer drink, a drunk will never run you over or beat you to death.

You're far more likely to be plowed over by a drunken driver or someone driving distracted than you are a scary guy as-seen-on-TV mowing people down.

Perhaps it's time to put things into perspective, get a grip, and stop trying to use your irrational emotionalism to strip people's constitutional rights away?
 
vegas giants said:
Neither am I. Bans are dumb. But we can do a lot of other gun control that is constitutional and works great!
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OH do tell!

I'm sure it doesn't remotely involve more restrictions on lawful people and you actually have documentation it works!!!!!
 
worksforpigs said:
No, bullets are usually self-administered.

You must have also missed the part where drunken driving kills 10,000 people annually including 200 kids. That doesn't count the endless numbers of people beaten down by drunks or run over by them and not killed, or children neglected by drunk parents.

Tell us again why you're not outraged about drunkards mowing people down and assaulting them.

One nut with a gun a hotel isn't an argument.
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Are you outraged that drunkards are mowing down people.....or is that fine with you?
 
worksforpigs said:
OH do tell!

I'm sure it doesn't remotely involve more restrictions on lawful people and you actually have documentation it works!!!!!
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You might have to fill out a form. Oh the horror!!!!! LOL
 
worksforpigs said:
Wow you have issues, Brit.

Tell us more about your expertise on us Yanks.
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Ex veteran of the Falklands war with two tours in Northern Ireland having lived two years in the US. You guys are so far gone when it comes to the damage civilian firearms can do its unbelevable. And despite endless gun massacres your denial about the effects of your non existent gun laws in a civilian world is still total
 
disneydude said:
I was responding directly to your post. People who commit suicide by and large do so based on mental issues they are experiencing. If we have safeguards in place to screen people for mental issues and prevent them from having access to weapons, the suicide rate will drop. Thank you for this post because I think it raises a great issue and argument for why mental health screening before allowing access to guns is a good idea. Glad to see we agree on something.
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No, you mean the suicide rate by firearm will drop. You assume they won't switch to another means. That's pretty ignorant. It seems to me, that if you cared about suicides, you'd address the suicide issue rather than a tool that a percentage of them use, while you ignore those who kill themselves by other means.

This then pans out as I said as another example of selective outrage surrounding firearms.

Where in the US Constitution does it say "mental health screening required before being allowed to exercise your rights"?

SO do you want the same laws on alcohol possession and use that you want on firearms? If not, why?
 
flogger said:
Or maybe they just want not to be violently be made dead

Just a thought from a more rational outsider
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If only that were true, the world would be a better place. But it's not. You and your ilk are perfectly content to leave law abiding citizens defenseless. No wait, not just perfectly content, ****ing giddy with glee.
 
worksforpigs said:
No, you mean the suicide rate by firearm will drop. You assume they won't switch to another means. That's pretty ignorant. It seems to me, that if you cared about suicides, you'd address the suicide issue rather than a tool that a percentage of them use, while you ignore those who kill themselves by other means.

This then pans out as I said as another example of selective outrage surrounding firearms.

Where in the US Constitution does it say "mental health screening required before being allowed to exercise your rights"?

SO do you want the same laws on alcohol possession and use that you want on firearms? If not, why?
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States with lax gun laws have the most suicides. Year in and year out
 
vegas giants said:
States with lax gun laws have the most suicides. Year in and year out
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Bummer. That's a clear reason to burn the Constitution.

What are the data on alcohol-related deaths by state? Or did you care to look?
 
rocket88 said:
Right. Conservatives have no agenda. Case in point: the current Congress.
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Conservatives have an agenda alright, it's enshrined in The Declaration of independence. Today's GOP on the other hand, is virtually indistinguishable from you and your ilk.
 
countryboy said:
If only that were true, the world would be a better place. But it's not. You and your ilk are perfectly content to leave law abiding citizens defenseless. No wait, not just perfectly content, ****ing giddy with glee.
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Defenseless???? You have 300 million guns! LOL
 
worksforpigs said:
OK So because you no longer drink, a drunk will never run you over or beat you to death.

You're far more likely to be plowed over by a drunken driver or someone driving distracted than you are a scary guy as-seen-on-TV mowing people down.

Perhaps it's time to put things into perspective, get a grip, and stop trying to use your irrational emotionalism to strip people's constitutional rights away?
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This is the stupidest thing I've read today.
 
worksforpigs said:
I've yet to point this out and have a coherent response.

All gun-related deaths in the US are about 36,000 of which are mostly suicides. There about 8,500 annually from all types of firearms.

As a "response" to this, the anti-firearm/gun control crowd demand endless increasing restrictive measures against manufacture, sales, and possession of firearms and magazines with the claim that it will "save lives."

I find this grossly dishonest when looking at such as alcohol-related deaths. 88,000 a year die from alcohol abuse, about 10,000 from drunken driving, yet these people who claim to so much care about innocent lives lost bat not an eye and demand not one more law against alcohol.

The excuses I hear are usually these:

1) We already have laws against drunken driving.
2) This is about guns, not alcohol.

Usually when I speak of applying the laws one of these people wants on alcohol that they want on guns, their inner alcoholic comes out and they get quite defensive if not outright angry, as if the bottle is their personal lifeline. These people never want to talk about restricting availability of alcohol, and they frequently try to rationalize it by saying they are responsible drinkers and do not drink and drive... While they do not use the same reasoning with responsible gun owners.

If the concern is about "lives," then why are these people not demanding restriction of a vice like alcohol? It's quite glaring especially when we're speaking of a CONSTITUTIONAL right to keep and bear arms, not about a vice.

This tells me that the concern about "lives" is wholly concocted and it's about wanting to disarm the populace. Those who do this seem intent on riding the wave of public emotion right after a mass shooting so as to take advantage of getting these piecemeal gun bans in place.

I see no other rational explanation for what's going on.

Further, why the big uproar about "assault weapons" when they're used in about 300 killings annually?
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...Um. Actually it's mostly liberals spearheading the effort to get more resources to people suffering addiction and mental illness, to prevent these deaths. It's mostly liberals making noise about the fact that our healthcare system is too difficult for these people to reach, and proposing ways to make it better and more inclusive for them.

So... evidently you're wrong.
 
vegas giants said:
I didn't need to, Mr What are private sales. LOL
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In many states, those also have to fill out the ATF 4473, and since "paperwork" was done by the Vegas killer as well as the Aurora killer and others, what is "paperwork lol" going to do?
 
worksforpigs said:
Bummer. That's a clear reason to burn the Constitution.

What are the data on alcohol-related deaths by state? Or did you care to look?
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Do you want to reduce alcohol related deaths? Or not?
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
...Um. Actually it's mostly liberals spearheading the effort to get more resources to people suffering addiction and mental illness, to prevent these deaths. It's mostly liberals making noise about the fact that our healthcare system is too difficult for these people to reach, and proposing ways to make it better and more inclusive for them.

So... evidently you're wrong.
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If that were the case, they wouldn't be spending so many resources at gun grabbing which is basically the only time suicide and mental illness are discussed.

If only the millions by gun grab groups were spent on clinics.
 
worksforpigs said:
In many states, those also have to fill out the ATF 4473, and since "paperwork" was done by the Vegas killer as well as the Aurora killer and others, what is "paperwork lol" going to do?
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Save lives. But wait.....its a form......oh the horror!
 
Verax said:
This is the stupidest thing I've read today.
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I know, I mean... Imagine grown adults being told that they need to get a grip and stop acting like frightened children hiding in a cardboard box fort because of a scary story on TV.

Sadly, that's what this country has come to.
 
worksforpigs said:
I know, I mean... Imagine grown adults being told that they need to get a grip and stop acting like frightened children hiding in a cardboard box fort because of a scary story on TV.

Sadly, that's what this country has come to.
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I now....its just a form. LOL
 
SO folks...

Take note of the people here ignoring the alcohol issue and trying to rationalize a singular fixation on firearms.

Predictable.
 
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