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Gun ...insurance?

HowardBThiname said:
For that to happen, a list of all guns a person owned would have to be made known. That will never happen.

And, while I respect your opinion, you are missing the fact that the largest percentage of gun deaths occur in inner cities where the gangs that have the guns are going to laugh at your rule that they must insure them.

Never happen, dude.
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That should work well. Steal a gun or buy it from the corner pimp, drug, gun dealer. Stop off at the local insurance office and pick up a policy. 100% compliance guaranteed.
 
HowardBThiname said:
It's nobody's business. Why not just make it a law that everyone has to list every sexual partner, by name, and make that list public?



The same places they'd get them if honest gun owners were forced to list all their weapons and insure them against a crime committed by someone who buys the gun someone else stole from them.

In no case is the gun owner responsible. The thief is. The gang banger that shoots another person is.

All in all, this is just a lame, worthless idea that would serve no purpose other than to lean on honest gun owners for the actions criminals take.
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Nonsense. One gun per person a ban on second hand gun sales and comprehensive nationwide gun registration would force these 'honest' gun owners everywhere to be a darned sight more responsible. The insurance premium too is a very good idea
 
flogger said:
Nonsense. One gun per person a ban on second hand gun sales and comprehensive nationwide gun registration would force these 'honest' gun owners everywhere to be a darned sight more responsible. The insurance premium too is a very good idea
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Pure silliness.

Honest gun owners are already responsible. Having a single gun -- or 20 guns -- doesn't make a different. Responsibility is responsibility.

If you really want to reduce overall gun deaths -- make the punishment stronger. Make it visible. Take the little gang bangers out to the town square and behead them right there. It'd set an example for sure. They don't care if they go to prison -- that's just a way of life that most of them expect and are willing to risk.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Pure silliness.

Honest gun owners are already responsible. Having a single gun -- or 20 guns -- doesn't make a different. Responsibility is responsibility.
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Tell that to the families of the Vegas victims. That shooter was an 'honest' 'responsible' gun owner too ...... until one day he decided not to be :(

If you really want to reduce overall gun deaths -- make the punishment stronger. Make it visible. Take the little gang bangers out to the town square and behead them right there. It'd set an example for sure. They don't care if they go to prison -- that's just a way of life that most of them expect and are willing to risk.
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So your answer to killing is even more killing ? You already incarcerate a greater percentage of your citizenry than any other nation on earth even the worst dictatorships
 
flogger said:
Tell that to the families of the Vegas victims. That shooter was an 'honest' 'responsible' gun owner too ...... until one day he decided not to be :(



So your answer to killing is even more killing ? You already incarcerate a greater percentage of your citizenry than any other nation on earth even the worst dictatorships
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It would lower the incarceration rates -- that would help, right?

And, if you're really serious about reducing gun deaths, you're going to have to belly up to the bar and make some tough decisions. Punishing innocent gun owners avails nothing. You have to go after the killers. And, if they live by the sword (gun), why not allow them to die by it as well?

We could further reduce incarceration rates by not putting white collar criminals in jail, but rather exacting punishments that forced them to work and repay their debts. Prison should be reserved for the violent.
 
flogger said:
You've 35,000 + posts on this one issue yet I'm the hysterical one ? ...... uh huh :lamo
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Flogger misrepresenting numbers again - shocker.

TurtleDude in gun control 19.6%

Flogger in gun control 28%

:roll:
 
flogger said:
You've 35,000 + posts on this one issue yet I'm the hysterical one ? ...... uh huh :lamo
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you're the one whose obsessing over our rights, not me.
 
MACS-24 said:
Flogger misrepresenting numbers again - shocker.

TurtleDude in gun control 19.6%

Flogger in gun control 28%

:roll:
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and I have well known expertise in this area and am a competitive shooter. He's a gun hater.
 
flogger said:
Nonsense. One gun per person a ban on second hand gun sales and comprehensive nationwide gun registration would force these 'honest' gun owners everywhere to be a darned sight more responsible. The insurance premium too is a very good idea
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one gun per person is as stupid as saying golf players should be limited to one golf club. Its just another case of flogger wanting to harass citizens of another country over some strange hatred of our rights
 
Silky said:
No, not insurance in case someone steals your gun.
What about gun owner liability insurance? Arguably, a gun and a car are both tools that can be misused by people to injure or kill other people. We are required by law to have liability auto insurance for that very reason. What about passing legislation requiring owners of guns to hold liability gun insurance?
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You are already covered by your personal liability policy. The only "extra" would be collector guns, etc. for higher value. You can't be required to carry insurance on a pit bull, either.
 
TurtleDude said:
one gun per person is as stupid as saying golf players should be limited to one golf club. Its just another case of flogger wanting to harass citizens of another country over some strange hatred of our rights
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That you are capable of conflating the usage of golf clubs with guns says it all really :doh
 
flogger said:
Don't confuse my stand on lethal violent extremism with a hatred for anything
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don't pretend your hatred of our rights with actually indicating you care about innocent life
 
flogger said:
That you are capable of conflating the usage of golf clubs with guns says it all really :doh
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that you want to impose your own fears on the rest of us is more than enough proof that your hatred has reached phobic levels.
 
TurtleDude said:
that you want to impose your own fears on the rest of us is more than enough proof that your hatred has reached phobic levels.
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Again you conflate fear with common sense. I fear being shot about as much as I fear being struck by lightning and hatred plays no part in that. Its simply having common sense gun laws
 
flogger said:
Tell that to the families of the Vegas victims. That shooter was an 'honest' 'responsible' gun owner too ...... until one day he decided not to be :(
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Tell that to the victims in France. The guy was a responsible driver until he wasn't.

So your answer to killing is even more killing ? You already incarcerate a greater percentage of your citizenry than any other nation on earth even the worst dictatorships
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If nothing else it'll be a permament deterrent to the assailant.
 
TurtleDude said:
and I have well known expertise in this area and am a competitive shooter. He's a gun hater.
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Yup. I was going to add the major post substance differences (night and day) too but didn't want the #'s get lost on flogger.
 
flogger said:
That you are capable of conflating the usage of golf clubs with guns says it all really :doh
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That you are capable of missing the point says it all really :doh
 
flogger said:
I'm proud of the fact that I at least do have some humanity
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Your posting says otherwise. You are totally against potential victims deciding for themselves what is the best means of defense.
 
Silky said:
No, not insurance in case someone steals your gun.
What about gun owner liability insurance? Arguably, a gun and a car are both tools that can be misused by people to injure or kill other people. We are required by law to have liability auto insurance for that very reason. What about passing legislation requiring owners of guns to hold liability gun insurance?
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I wasnt held responsible when my pickup was stolen and used in a robbery. Should I have been?

If I injure someone accidentally, I can be held responsible for their medical or other expenses, this is enforced by law and/or civil suit.

Why do you see a need for a burden on people who are exercising a Constitutional right...to own and bear firearms? Is there a precedent for that?
 
MACS-24 said:
Your posting says otherwise. You are totally against potential victims deciding for themselves what is the best means of defense.
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You view killing as the best way... we don't and niether does anyone else in the developed world
 
flogger said:
You view killing as the best way... we don't and niether does anyone else in the developed world
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Since you do not know me and I did not say this that leaves....

a huge lie. Don't do it again.
 
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