MaggieD
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This post is a TLDR. I apologize in advance. But I thought we might be able to PUT together a list of what “better gun control” really means...
A good Friend posted on FB yesterday, highly intelligent, extremely liberal, sometimes pisses me off, if you can imagine that. Ha! It was a left wing article clamoring for gun control. I gave her a ration of **** about it criticizing the Left for not bullet pointing their suggestions. I think many pro-gun people believe this so-called “gun control” means banning guns. And, shrug, maybe that IS their motive in the end.
I’m an Illinoisian. We probably have the strictest gun laws in the country including things like background checks, fingerprinting, special firearms transfer forms executed on sale that must be kept for ten years, gun permits, gun registration, 3-day wait on handguns, special concealed carry licenses (good for ten years, by the way.) eight hours of classroom and range training to get the CC permit. No lasers in the City of Chicago. No magazines in Chicago for over ten bullets. No open carry unless in law enforcement. Many businesses ban CC weapons. And probably many other restrictions I can’t think of because they’d never apply to me.
The permits are easily and quickly gained though... except for the classes required for CC. And, frankly, I personally found the classes very very interesting. For instance, although some states have stand your ground laws exempting a righteous shoot from criminal and civil charges, Illinois law goes on to say something like, “except in the case of wanton and willful shoots that might have been avoided.” This, of course, opens a righteous shooter to civil suits to argue whether the shoot was willful or wanton. A very expensive and foreboding legal exercise indeed.
We keep hearing about the gun show loophole. I’ve never seen it explained. We keep hearing about no assault weapons. I’m fairly certain that real assault weapons are very different from the “ugly guns” that anti’s would classify as assault weapons that really aren’t.
My bullet list might include many things to restrict ownership. I threw some out there like universal background checks, no psychotropic meds within five years, mandatory doctor reporting to a databank HIPPA be damned. Magazine limits. No felons. Five years from any granted order of protection, Universal gun registration, universal permits, universal state to state reciprocity, and some others. Most of which I felt I could support ... and probably my IL strictest laws prepare me to do that.
So what is it that GUN CONTROL really MEAN? And why isn’t there a list out there somewhere that clearly delineates what the Left considers when the Left says, “We need stricter gun control!” One can’t argue a smoke screen.
just for discussion. And to inform all of us the essence of what the Left considers better gun control. I’m on and off the board today, but I really do look forward to an informative discussion. Be nice if that could happen...
to my TLDR friends, I completely understand.
A good Friend posted on FB yesterday, highly intelligent, extremely liberal, sometimes pisses me off, if you can imagine that. Ha! It was a left wing article clamoring for gun control. I gave her a ration of **** about it criticizing the Left for not bullet pointing their suggestions. I think many pro-gun people believe this so-called “gun control” means banning guns. And, shrug, maybe that IS their motive in the end.
I’m an Illinoisian. We probably have the strictest gun laws in the country including things like background checks, fingerprinting, special firearms transfer forms executed on sale that must be kept for ten years, gun permits, gun registration, 3-day wait on handguns, special concealed carry licenses (good for ten years, by the way.) eight hours of classroom and range training to get the CC permit. No lasers in the City of Chicago. No magazines in Chicago for over ten bullets. No open carry unless in law enforcement. Many businesses ban CC weapons. And probably many other restrictions I can’t think of because they’d never apply to me.
The permits are easily and quickly gained though... except for the classes required for CC. And, frankly, I personally found the classes very very interesting. For instance, although some states have stand your ground laws exempting a righteous shoot from criminal and civil charges, Illinois law goes on to say something like, “except in the case of wanton and willful shoots that might have been avoided.” This, of course, opens a righteous shooter to civil suits to argue whether the shoot was willful or wanton. A very expensive and foreboding legal exercise indeed.
We keep hearing about the gun show loophole. I’ve never seen it explained. We keep hearing about no assault weapons. I’m fairly certain that real assault weapons are very different from the “ugly guns” that anti’s would classify as assault weapons that really aren’t.
My bullet list might include many things to restrict ownership. I threw some out there like universal background checks, no psychotropic meds within five years, mandatory doctor reporting to a databank HIPPA be damned. Magazine limits. No felons. Five years from any granted order of protection, Universal gun registration, universal permits, universal state to state reciprocity, and some others. Most of which I felt I could support ... and probably my IL strictest laws prepare me to do that.
So what is it that GUN CONTROL really MEAN? And why isn’t there a list out there somewhere that clearly delineates what the Left considers when the Left says, “We need stricter gun control!” One can’t argue a smoke screen.
just for discussion. And to inform all of us the essence of what the Left considers better gun control. I’m on and off the board today, but I really do look forward to an informative discussion. Be nice if that could happen...
to my TLDR friends, I completely understand.