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After Nevada hosts a gun show, California sees sharp rise in gun-related injuries and deaths

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After Nevada hosts a gun show, California sees sharp rise in gun-related injuries and deaths

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The findings, published Monday in the Annals of Internal Medicine, show that state gun laws have a measurable effect on public safety, especially when it comes to gun shows, the study authors wrote.
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California, which has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, requires background checks even at gun shows. Nevada does not.
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Ellicott Matthay, a public health researcher at UC Berkeley, and her colleagues recognized this as an ideal scenario for testing the effects of state laws regarding gun show sales.

The researchers scoured gun show listings in a magazine called the Big Show Journal. Altogether, they tallied 275 such shows in Nevada and 640 shows in California between Jan. 1, 2005, and Dec. 31, 2013. Then they identified regions in California that were within a one-hour drive of a California gun show or a two-hour drive of a Nevada gun show.
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The firearms toll was much lower in regions near Nevada gun shows. Only 44 Californians were injured or killed in the two weeks leading up to those shows, but that figure jumped to 74 in the two weeks afterward. The rate of gun injuries and deaths rose from 0.67 to 1.14 per 100,000 people.
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I note the study is called Quasi-experimental.
 
Another study attempting to connect correlation with causation.

I agree with the quasi-experimental label.
 
CletusWilbury said:
After Nevada hosts a gun show, California sees sharp rise in gun-related injuries and deaths

I note the study is called Quasi-experimental.
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Correlation does not mean causation. In every Nevada Gun show, there is a required background check to be done. Unless those deaths are linked to the actual guns purchased at the gun show(which can be proven), then it is simply correlation without anything to back it up with.

I can give two facts and try to falsely correlate them as well. I can say that sea piracy has gone down and the strength of hurricanes has gone up. Does that mean that since sea piracy has gone down, that caused the strength of hurricanes to increase? Of course not. The same here unless someone can prove those guns involved in the gun deaths in California were purchased at a Nevada gun show.
 
That's perfectly reasonable. As we all know, when you get all those guns together at a show they start a mental homicide vortex that's as irresistible to cisgender, white males as the call of a Siren. Imbued with their gun show vortex power the guns then whisper "kill kill kill" to their new owners until their bidding is done. That's all common knowledge.
 
Praxas said:
Correlation does not mean causation. In every Nevada Gun show, there is a required background check to be done. Unless those deaths are linked to the actual guns purchased at the gun show(which can be proven), then it is simply correlation without anything to back it up with.

I can give two facts and try to falsely correlate them as well. I can say that sea piracy has gone down and the strength of hurricanes has gone up. Does that mean that since sea piracy has gone down, that caused the strength of hurricanes to increase? Of course not. The same here unless someone can prove those guns involved in the gun deaths in California were purchased at a Nevada gun show.
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Background checks are only required by licensed dealers, not private sellers, (exhibitors). The infamous gun show loophole that isn't a loophole but a hole deliberately left in the law.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
It's missing one key component.


Linking any gun to these gun shows by serial number.


correlation does not equal causation.
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"The good thing is, though, if you don't like it you can just sell it later and its not in your name like when you buy a new one you have to worry where it's going to end up"
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CletusWilbury said:
After Nevada hosts a gun show, California sees sharp rise in gun-related injuries and deaths



I note the study is called Quasi-experimental.
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just to point out.. those firearms that are not under the background check requirement.. are in private hands and are likely available for private sale anyway. So what difference is it that there is a gun show?

It seems to me the researchers don't understand that its not like firearms are not available for private sale unless there is a gun show.
 
trblmkr said:
Background checks are only required by licensed dealers, not private sellers, (exhibitors). The infamous gun show loophole that isn't a loophole but a hole deliberately left in the law.
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Not a loophole as you well know. There has never been a requirement for background checks for private sales. If I lived near this gun show.. I could sell my private firearm without every having to go to the gun show.

Whats the deal with people not understanding what a gun show is? its not like there are no private guns for sale without a gun show???.
 
jaeger19 said:
Not a loophole as you well know. There has never been a requirement for background checks for private sales. If I lived near this gun show.. I could sell my private firearm without every having to go to the gun show.

Whats the deal with people not understanding what a gun show is? its not like there are no private guns for sale without a gun show???.
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I specifically said the "gun show loophole that is not a loophole", as I do well know. You know what else I understand? That the hole was left in the law to allow unrestricted, unrecorded, completely undocumented, trafficking of firearms. Good thing, bad thing? Don't care anymore. But that is what it is. You can argue that it's a place where grandpa can buy his grandkid his first 22. Yep, it is. And the local felon who needs a piece to rob the liquor store can get his too. Just prove residency.
 
trblmkr said:
I specifically said the "gun show loophole that is not a loophole", as I do well know. You know what else I understand? That the hole was left in the law to allow unrestricted, unrecorded, completely undocumented, trafficking of firearms. Good thing, bad thing? Don't care anymore. But that is what it is. You can argue that it's a place where grandpa can buy his grandkid his first 22. Yep, it is. And the local felon who needs a piece to rob the liquor store can get his too. Just prove residency.
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What place?

that's what you don't understand.

Grandpa can buy his grandkid his first .22 from my house.. and always could. The same I suppose the local felon as well.

So what is so special about the gun show?
 
trblmkr said:
Background checks are only required by licensed dealers, not private sellers, (exhibitors). The infamous gun show loophole that isn't a loophole but a hole deliberately left in the law.
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There is no such thing as a gunshow loophole. We are all clear on that...correct?
 
Maybe someone should do the study here in WA St. where some of the gun shows have background checks and some dont.
 
Lutherf said:
That's perfectly reasonable. As we all know, when you get all those guns together at a show they start a mental homicide vortex that's as irresistible to cisgender, white males as the call of a Siren. Imbued with their gun show vortex power the guns then whisper "kill kill kill" to their new owners until their bidding is done. That's all common knowledge.
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its the same thing as trailer parks sending out signals that tornados cannot resist.
 
trblmkr said:
Nothing. It's just a traveling gun store.
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Actually for the most part it is.. and a gun store has to perform background checks.
 
jaeger19 said:
Actually for the most part it is.. and a gun store has to perform background checks.
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I traded a 17HMR for a Browning Compound this weekend in my local law enforcement office's parking lot. No background checks. No record. God bless America.

Of course...if I did that at the Gun Show this weekend that transaction would immediately become a 'Gunshow loophole' transaction.
 
Lursa said:
Maybe someone should do the study here in WA St. where some of the gun shows have background checks and some dont.
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All of the gun shows require background checks if you are a gun dealer. Doesn't matter the state you are in.

Now.. I believe according to the law.. private sellers.. at a gun show or not.. are required to get a background check on anyone that is purchasing a firearm. Whether private sellers are complying with that law is another story.
 
VanceMack said:
I traded a 17HMR for a Browning Compound this weekend in my local law enforcement office's parking lot. No background checks. No record. God bless America.

Of course...if I did that at the Gun Show this weekend that transaction would immediately become a 'Gunshow loophole' transaction.
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I hesitate to call it dishonesty among the anti gun crowd.. because frankly.. the vast majority of them are just ignorant of what goes on at a gun show.

One time when I was in NYC.. I brought a huge bunch of fudge (various flavors) to the hospital Christmas party.. When I was asked where I got it.. I stated "the Rochester gun show". You should have seen the looks of the people. They had no idea that people sell fudge.. or Jerky.. or craft supplies for leather working, or clothes, etc at gun shows. honest to god.. I have seen women selling camouflage lingerie at gun shows!.

I think they have visions of criminals lining streets waiting to get in to buy machine guns at gun shows.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
It's missing one key component.


Linking any gun to these gun shows by serial number.


correlation does not equal causation.
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I don't know much about the west coast. But I do know that about 70% of the homicides in Chicago are linked by serial number to guns sold in Indiana.
 
ataraxia said:
I don't know much about the west coast. But I do know that about 70% of the homicides in Chicago are linked by serial number to guns sold in Indiana.
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And usually purchased by friends and family members FOR known criminals. Those are called straw purchases and they are already illegal. Why do you suppose that the purchasers of those guns are not in prison for conspiracy and violating federal gun laws?
 
ataraxia said:
I don't know much about the west coast. But I do know that about 70% of the homicides in Chicago are linked by serial number to guns sold in Indiana.
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Citation please.
 
jaeger19 said:
All of the gun shows require background checks if you are a gun dealer. Doesn't matter the state you are in.

Now.. I believe according to the law.. private sellers.. at a gun show or not.. are required to get a background check on anyone that is purchasing a firearm. Whether private sellers are complying with that law is another story.
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No, not at all gun shows in WA St.

There is one really good org than puts on alot of gun shows here tho, (WAC), that does require it for private purchases.
 
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