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Repealing the 2nd

jimbo said:
How much clearer than: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" Does it need to be?
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Dropping the first half before the coma would do it.
 
calamity said:
Allowing every citizen to bear arms is stupid.
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You are against equality, are you. Do you want to forbid Blacks and Hispanics having guns, do you? That’s not quite pc, you know?
 
joG said:
You are against equality, are you. Do you want to forbid Blacks and Hispanics having guns, do you? That’s not quite pc, you know?
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And, you read that into my statement how exactly?
 
joG said:
Dropping the first half before the coma would do it.
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True. I consider the attempt to explain the reasoning behind the second as the major mistake in the original Constitution. No other part of the document required explanation. Why the second?
 
calamity said:
In hopes of stopping the derailment of another thread, I thought I'd throw this quote out here in its own thread.
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Repealing the 2nd Amendment is banning gun ownership. There isn't a dime's worth of difference between that and banning guns.
 
calamity said:
That is pretty much what repeal would do, as it should.


Voting does not cause 30K deaths a year. Irresponsible gun ownership does.
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Gun ownership doesn't, either. Murderers and nutjobs do.
 
apdst said:
Repealing the 2nd Amendment is banning gun ownership. There isn't a dime's worth of difference between that and banning guns.
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Incorrect

re·peal
rəˈpēl
verb
1. revoke or annul (a law or congressional act).

ban
băn
tr.v. banned, ban·ning, bans
1.
a. To prohibit (an action) or forbid the use of (something), especially by official decree:


Do you know the difference between "revoke" and "prohibit"? Judging by your post, I suspect you may have to look those two words up.
 
calamity said:
Incorrect

re·peal
rəˈpēl
verb
1. revoke or annul (a law or congressional act).

ban
băn
tr.v. banned, ban·ning, bans
1.
a. To prohibit (an action) or forbid the use of (something), especially by official decree:
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Repealing the 2nd Amendment would allow states to outright ban gun ownership. And that's exactly what sone states would do.
 
apdst said:
Repealing the 2nd Amendment would allow states to outright ban gun ownership. And that's exactly what sone states would do.
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Repeal would not ban weapons, In that Calamity is correct. Banners want repeal and replace. With outright ban.

Don't kid yourself. Banners have no interest in allowing states to make that decision. According to Bloomie and Rahm, my guns in Va and my sons in NC are the reason for violence in Chicago and NYC.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
No, it would convert a constitutional right into a mere state issued privilege. I doubt that you would want states to be able to grant voting licenses to only "responsible people".
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if the constitution was actually taken seriously, the gun banners or gun haters would have to repeal the 9th, and tenth amendments and actually amend Article One Section 8 to give congress the power to even legislate in this area.
 
calamity said:
That is pretty much what repeal would do, as it should.


Voting does not cause 30K deaths a year. Irresponsible gun ownership does.
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Voting democrat = pro choice = 664,000 abortions in 2013. Voting doen't cause what?
 
calamity said:
Voting does not cause 30K deaths a year. Irresponsible gun ownership does.
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The 30K number you quote is quite misleading, especially when you make the claim that all of those 30K are caused by "irresponsible gun ownership", seeing as 21K of those (which is 2/3's) are actually suicides...
 
calamity said:
Voting does not cause 30K deaths a year. Irresponsible gun ownership does.
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Also, note that out of the remaining 12K deaths (you rounded down a bit in your numbers) which would be homicides, only 8K were caused by firearms, and of that 8K, 5.5K of those were specifically caused by handguns.

So, my question to you is, why are the vast majority of leftist proposals to cut down firearm homicides being aimed towards semi-auto rifles, of which rifles only make up approx 0.25K (~3%) of the 8K firearm homicides, instead of turning their focus towards handguns, which make up approx 5.5K (~69%) of the 8K firearm homicides?

Now, let's also compare the rifle homicide rate to other types of homicide...
RIFLES: 0.25K
KNIVES: 1.5K
BLUNT OBJECTS: 0.4K
FISTS/FEET/ETC. 0.66K

Apparently knives, blunt objects, as well as our own hands and feet cause more homicides than rifles do... so why are rifles the main target for leftists? I'd like a leftist to explain this to me, and also explain why they completely ignore handgun homicides even though handguns make up roughly 70% of all gun related homicides...
 
gfm7175 said:
The 30K number you quote is quite misleading, especially when you make the claim that all of those 30K are caused by "irresponsible gun ownership", seeing as 21K of those (which is 2/3's) are actually suicides...
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Ah, so in your view, committing suicide is making responsible use of a gun. :roll:
 
gfm7175 said:
Also, note that out of the remaining 12K deaths (you rounded down a bit in your numbers) which would be homicides, only 8K were caused by firearms, and of that 8K, 5.5K of those were specifically caused by handguns.

So, my question to you is, why are the vast majority of leftist proposals to cut down firearm homicides being aimed towards semi-auto rifles, of which rifles only make up approx 0.25K (~3%) of the 8K firearm homicides, instead of turning their focus towards handguns, which make up approx 5.5K (~69%) of the 8K firearm homicides?

Now, let's also compare the rifle homicide rate to other types of homicide...
RIFLES: 0.25K
KNIVES: 1.5K
BLUNT OBJECTS: 0.4K
FISTS/FEET/ETC. 0.66K

Apparently knives, blunt objects, as well as our own hands and feet cause more homicides than rifles do... so why are rifles the main target for leftists? I'd like a leftist to explain this to me, and also explain why they completely ignore handgun homicides even though handguns make up roughly 70% of all gun related homicides...
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Maybe because nearly 500 people were mowed down, over 50 of them shot dead, with one of those "rifles" in less than the time it takes to bake a pizza.
 
calamity said:
Ah, so in your view, committing suicide is making responsible use of a gun. :roll:
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The difference is a homicide is something someone does to something else. A suicide is something someone does to themselves... if someone wants to kill themself, they have many other means at their disposal than a gun. So I don't think guns can be attacked because of suicides... and it goes to show that mental health is the real issue, not the guns themselves... many people responsibly use them... many more than under 30K...
 
gfm7175 said:
The difference is a homicide is something someone does to something else. A suicide is something someone does to themselves... if someone wants to kill themself, they have many other means at their disposal than a gun. So I don't think guns can be attacked because of suicides... and it goes to show that mental health is the real issue, not the guns themselves... many people responsibly use them... many more than under 30K...
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Gun owners killing themselves would be great as long as they did it before opening fire on a crowd of concert goers.
 
calamity said:
Maybe because nearly 500 people were mowed down, over 50 of them shot dead, with one of those "rifles" in less than the time it takes to bake a pizza.
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I agree that mass shootings are very horrible and that a lot of people are affected at once. But again, you're completely ignoring the facts I presented... rifles are the cause of 3% of all gun related homicides... handguns are the cause of 70% of all gun related homicides... why are you ignoring handguns in this discussion? Why are you putting much less focus on the weapon type which is killing far more people than rifles are killing? You say that you want to reduce gun related deaths, but you are focused on a type of weapon which is killing very few people comparatively...
 
calamity said:
Gun owners killing themselves would be great as long as they did it before opening fire on a crowd of concert goers.
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Wait, so you're okay with someone who has a mental health issue killing themself (at least in select cases)?
 
gfm7175 said:
Wait, so you're okay with someone who has a mental health issue killing themself (at least in select cases)?
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No. But, that does seem to be your argument.
 
gfm7175 said:
Apparently knives, blunt objects, as well as our own hands and feet cause more homicides than rifles do... so why are rifles the main target for leftists? I'd like a leftist to explain this to me, and also explain why they completely ignore handgun homicides even though handguns make up roughly 70% of all gun related homicides...
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DC v Heller.
 
calamity said:
Ah, so in your view, committing suicide is making responsible use of a gun. :roll:
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in some cases yes. ever watch someone die from incurable cancer or ALS? I certainly support the right of people in those situations to kill themselves efficiently and quickly.
 
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