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Australia's gun control... need some help

TurtleDude said:
I am merely asking if you support Australian gun laws. simple question. I don't know many of their laws. All that is at issue is the Australian laws concerning private citizens owning firearms
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Are you against every single Australian firearm law? It's a simple question. Yes or no
 
vegas giants said:
Are you against every single Australian firearm law? It's a simple question. Yes or no
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I never said I was-I have no idea what every single law they have states. What I do know is that the discussion concerning this topic involved the forced buy back of guns declared contraband after people had honestly bought them when they were legal. I was merely asking if you supported that move by the Australian government in other words, do you support the Australian laws that were being discussed on this and other threads where Australian "buy backs" were brought up
 
TurtleDude said:
I never said I was-I have no idea what every single law they have states. What I do know is that the discussion concerning this topic involved the forced buy back of guns declared contraband after people had honestly bought them when they were legal. I was merely asking if you supported that move by the Australian government in other words, do you support the Australian laws that were being discussed on this and other threads where Australian "buy backs" were brought up
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So you are against every Australian firearms laws?
 
I see a lot of people in this thread have no clue as to what they're typing about. Since the buyback, gun related homicides, suicides, and homicides in general have gone down. In fact, researchers have said their buyback saves about 200 lives per year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/world/australia/australia-gun-ban-shooting.html

What's more interesting is that there are now more guns in Australia than before the buyback and their homicides are still down.

Port Arthur: Australia has more guns than before massacre, University of Sydney research shows - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

I'm glad it worked for them, but all of you need to realize a couple of things. Australia has no borders. Nor does that country have nearly as many people or firearms as the U.S. I wish something similar could happen here, but I acknowledge its a dream.
 
TaterTots said:
I see a lot of people in this thread have no clue as to what they're typing about. Since the buyback, gun related homicides, suicides, and homicides in general have gone down. In fact, researches have said their buyback saves about 200 lives per year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/world/australia/australia-gun-ban-shooting.html

What's more interesting is that there are now more guns in Australia than before the buyback and their homicides are still down.

Port Arthur: Australia has more guns than before massacre, University of Sydney research shows - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

I'm glad it worked for them, but all of you need to realize a couple of things. Australia has no boarders. Nor does that country have nearly as many people or firearms as the U.S. I wish something similar could happen here, but I acknowledge its a dream.
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Every great thing started as a dream
 
TaterTots said:
I see a lot of people in this thread have no clue as to what they're typing about. Since the buyback, gun related homicides, suicides, and homicides in general have gone down. In fact, researchers have said their buyback saves about 200 lives per year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/world/australia/australia-gun-ban-shooting.html

What's more interesting is that there are now more guns in Australia than before the buyback and their homicides are still down.

Port Arthur: Australia has more guns than before massacre, University of Sydney research shows - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

I'm glad it worked for them, but all of you need to realize a couple of things. Australia has no borders. Nor does that country have nearly as many people or firearms as the U.S. I wish something similar could happen here, but I acknowledge its a dream.
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hmmm

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/report-australia-gun-control-fail/
 
TaterTots said:
hmmm indeed. Conflicting reports, but one of us linked to a blog.
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I think trying to compare the efficacy of Australian laws (which would violate several parts of the constitution and our bill of rights) to America is really pretty silly. what is important is watching American politicians fluffing Australian laws and pretending they still support the second amendment.
 
TurtleDude said:
I think trying to compare the efficacy of Australian laws (which would violate several parts of the constitution and our bill of rights) to America is really pretty silly. what is important is watching American politicians fluffing Australian laws and pretending they still support the second amendment.
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That is the correct argument. As I stated very recently, Australia is a place without borders and has way less people and firearms. In my dreams something like this could work for the U.S. but I don't see it happening.

On another note, I've done some digging around since you quoted me and I apologize. You and that blogger are actually correct. Correct to the point the story in the link below happened. However, there is no denying some sort of success in that country due to no borders and a lesser population/guns.

http://https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/oct/04/30000-guns-handed-in-during-australias-second-firearm-amnesty
 
TurtleDude said:
I think trying to compare the efficacy of Australian laws (which would violate several parts of the constitution and our bill of rights) to America is really pretty silly. what is important is watching American politicians fluffing Australian laws and pretending they still support the second amendment.
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Ah, good to hear you're not one of those American zealots who deplore citizens of other countries with more restrictive gun laws than the US. Not one of those, for example, who consider Brits, for example, gutless cowards for accepting gun restrictions. Comparisons being really pretty silly and all.
 
vegas giants said:
Australia seems quite happy with their results or they would have changed back. I think they are right
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So you're right because the majority of Australians think it works? If so that's a bandwagon fallacy.
 
Maccabee said:
So you're right because the majority of Australians think it works? If so that's a bandwagon fallacy.
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They can’t define success for themselves?
 
vegas giants said:
So you are against every Australian firearms laws?
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He asked you first so he has no obligation to answer your question. Besides, he already said that he doesn't know every law to make an opinion on it. Stop dodging.
 
TaterTots said:
I see a lot of people in this thread have no clue as to what they're typing about. Since the buyback, gun related homicides, suicides, and homicides in general have gone down. In fact, researchers have said their buyback saves about 200 lives per year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/world/australia/australia-gun-ban-shooting.html

What's more interesting is that there are now more guns in Australia than before the buyback and their homicides are still down.

Port Arthur: Australia has more guns than before massacre, University of Sydney research shows - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

I'm glad it worked for them, but all of you need to realize a couple of things. Australia has no borders. Nor does that country have nearly as many people or firearms as the U.S. I wish something similar could happen here, but I acknowledge its a dream.
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The gun deaths and syicides were already going down before the buyback. Also suicides by other means rose.
 
Maccabee said:
He asked you first so he has no obligation to answer your question. Besides, he already said that he doesn't know every law to make an opinion on it. Stop dodging.
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the only laws being discussed were the mandatory buy backs after those types of firearms were declared contraband. not say what sort of ID you have to show in Australia to get a purchase permit or how you have to transport firearms in public areas or so forth. THE ONLY AUSTRALIAN firearms laws discussed on this board were the actions taken after that massacre which banned semi auto centerfire rifles, many handguns and some shotguns
 
vegas giants said:
They can’t define success for themselves?
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Yeah they can but merely stating that they think it works so therefore they're right is illogical. It's better to back up that claim with actual statustics of violent crime to see if they were right. Germans in WW2 thought their laws concerning Jews were ok. Were they right?
 
Regardless...it will never happen here. And as the world gets smaller, I have read where illegal firearms are becoming more readily available in Australia. Bike and drug gangs have them and there are concerns over potential terrorist activities. Turns out...even with a ban you can get illegal stuff like drugs and weapons to the country.

Japan learned a similar lesson. They countered the influx of illegal guns with very strict senences and the us of RICO-like statutes.
 
vegas giants said:
And yet the numbers have since declined. How about mass shootings?
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Yet declined after how long? hahaha
What about mass shootings? what do I care if mass shootings went down in some other country if rape and robberies go up? Like I said in america it would be worse and take longer if at all.
 
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