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Bump Stock Deal, Compromise or Ruse?

calamity said:
Strawman
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your idiotic frantic spamming is so silly you don't even know what a straw man is==my destruction of your bait nonsense was not a straw man. it directly addressed your dishonest attempt to compare drunk driving and smoking with legal gun ownership

what is sad is its obvious you don't even believe this BS. its more of your frantic manic need to stir crap up
 
TurtleDude said:
80% or MORE of the unlawful homicides with firearms are caused by people already banned from owning guns.

so your numbers are =like all of this version of Calamity's (the gun banner version) arguments, dishonest, specious baiting nonsense
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Three main homicide groups in the US:
1. Street thugs
2. Domestic violence assholes
3. Mass shooter morons.
 
TurtleDude said:
your idiotic frantic spamming is so silly you don't even know what a straw man is==my destruction of your bait nonsense was not a straw man. it directly addressed your dishonest attempt to compare drunk driving and smoking with legal gun ownership

what is sad is its obvious you don't even believe this BS. its more of your frantic manic need to stir crap up
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Really? Then show where in this thread I said we should ban guns.
 
calamity said:
Really? Then show where in this thread I said we should ban guns.
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OK, I will play with this version of Calamity. what is the current version's solution then?
 
haymarket said:
Pass a law making ALL MODIFICATIONS making guns function as fully auto illegal with severe penalties attached.
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What's the goal of this law? Will the penalty for modifying a weapon be more severe than killing or injuring someone with a gun?
 
TurtleDude said:
OK, I will play with this version of Calamity. what is the current version's solution then?
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See line 2 below.

calamity said:
figure of speech. But, if you really want to know what I would do if I could--I would put to death anyone who tampers with a gun. Period. Game set match. j/k
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Moon said:
What's the goal of this law? Will the penalty for modifying a weapon be more severe than killing or injuring someone with a gun?
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It is when you tamper with a smoke detector on an airplane. :)
 
calamity said:
See line 2 below.
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I tamper with guns all the time. I put lighter triggers in them so they are better for high speed competitions. I change out the stock sights so they are more accurate. I hone the trigger mechanisms too so they are smoother.

how long do you think you will last if you go around trying to kill gun owners who work on their guns? I suspect they might be a bit better at using guns to defend themselves than you could use them to harm gun owners you don't like
 
TurtleDude said:
I tamper with guns all the time. I put lighter triggers in them so they are better for high speed competitions. I change out the stock sights so they are more accurate. I hone the trigger mechanisms too so they are smoother.

how long do you think you will last if you go around trying to kill gun owners who work on their guns? I suspect they might be a bit better at using guns to defend themselves than you could use them to harm gun owners you don't like
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There is no constitutional right to take a legal weapon and modify it into an illegal one. Duh.
 
calamity said:
There is no constitutional right to take a legal weapon and modify it into an illegal one. Duh.
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there should not be anything that is an illegal firearm. that is unconstitutional whether gun banners and the politicians they ass kiss believe it or not. the only thing illegal about a firearm should be how it is used. yes, some uses of a firearm should be illegal. there should not be an illegal firearm (other than one that say blows up when you use it with the proper ammo)
 
calamity said:
It is when you tamper with a smoke detector on an airplane. :)
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You get the death penalty or life in prison for tampering with a smoke detector on an airplane?
 
Moon said:
You get the death penalty or life in prison for tampering with a smoke detector on an airplane?
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No, but you get in more trouble for that then you do for just smoking. :)
 
Moon said:
You get the death penalty or life in prison for tampering with a smoke detector on an airplane?
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I love gun banners who want to kill people who do something that offends the gun banners. except I know Calamity is just trying to stir crap up

I heard Nazi Sinatra wanted to have all the NRA members shot by firing squad. Now the last time that bitch was relevant, the US army was still using muskets in combat.
 
TurtleDude said:
there should not be anything that is an illegal firearm. that is unconstitutional whether gun banners and the politicians they ass kiss believe it or not. the only thing illegal about a firearm should be how it is used. yes, some uses of a firearm should be illegal. there should not be an illegal firearm (other than one that say blows up when you use it with the proper ammo)
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:lamo
 
calamity said:
:lamo
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under the second amendment, at what point does a firearm change so that the federal government properly gains some power to ban it

why don't you tell us (so I can thrash your expected idiotic argument) what sort of firearms should be illegal and why?
 
TurtleDude said:
under the second amendment, at what point does a firearm change so that the federal government properly gains some power to ban it

why don't you tell us (so I can thrash your expected idiotic argument) what sort of firearms should be illegal and why?
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Ask Scalia...when you finally meet him. He had an opinion on that.
 
calamity said:
Ask Scalia...when you finally meet him. He had an opinion on that.
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unlike you, I actually understand constitutional law and I know what Scalia was saying and it was not about gun bans
 
TurtleDude said:
unlike you, I actually understand constitutional law and I know what Scalia was saying and it was not about gun bans
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lol...that in no way staunch liberal justice said no citizen has a right to military grade weaponry (paraphrased).
 
Rucker61 said:
Mass shootings account for less than 0.5% of homicides. Are you sure there are only three categories? Legal intervention accounts for an average of 400 homicides per year, mass shootings about 30 since 2000.

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2017: Data From Mother Jones’ Investigation – Mother Jones
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Mass shootings, although relatively small in number, get the most press--probably rightfully so, since we all see our own vulnerability in them.

Most common killing is street crime, thug on thug. If we really want to address our "gun problem" as defined by thousands of gun homicides per year, we would want to explore why 6% of the population account for roughly 50% of the homicides. I read some interesting psychological analysis on that.

Status, be it gained by territory or money, seems to be the main driver behind most of those killings. Since most of those killings are committed by young men, there is a sexual component at play. Evolutionary even, according to the report I read.

Domestic violence, be it jealousy, control, or financial gain, is another issue we do not spend much time analyzing. The first two are committed mostly by white males, although women too cross the line, only in much smaller numbers. Perhaps some latent abandonment issues are at play there--certainly there is the "If I can't have you, no one will" factor. Money? Well, that's self explanatory. Kill your spouse, walk away with the insurance money. Simple to explain that.
 
calamity said:
lol...that in no way staunch liberal justice said no citizen has a right to military grade weaponry (paraphrased).
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you're lying
 
Regardless of what you think of trigger manipulator devices like the Slide-fire stock, Fostech Bumpski, even Binary Triggers any ban needs to be squashed!

Once the gun grabber in DC get their way with the bump fire stocks, they will continue their assault on semi-automatic firearms........why? Because they know perfectly well that most semi automatic firearm can be rapidly manipulated without the use of gimmick devices! In 1994 we allowed the gun grabbing left to decide for us, that a standard capacity magazine should be only 10rds. Now in 2017 we are about to allow the gun grabbing left to decide how fast we are allowed to pull the trigger? If you think it will only be about bump fire stocks you are gravely mistaking!
 
calamity said:
As a society we've cut drunk driving fatalities by, what?, 70-80%. How? Strict new laws and effective enforcement efforts. We reduced the number of morons smoking cigs, by what, another 70-80%? How'd we do that? Strict laws on youths buying smokes and effective enforcement, plus massive taxes on cancer sticks. We can do the same with the 12-15,000 annual gun deaths.

So, your negativity is simply spin. Isn't it?
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Putting restrictions on law abiding citizens and the type of cars they own was not the solution that has lowered DUI. It was the cracking down and stricter punishment on people driving drunk that was the solution

It was the cost of cigarettes along with educating the people that has reduced the number of people smoking. Not stupid laws restricting the rights of non smokers.

Oh but we are going to stop gun violence by restricting the rights of law abiding citizens.:lamo:lamo:lamo
 
JLee1977 said:
Regardless of what you think of trigger manipulator devices like the Slide-fire stock, Fostech Bumpski, even Binary Triggers any ban needs to be squashed!

Once the gun grabber in DC get their way with the bump fire stocks, they will continue their assault on semi-automatic firearms........why? Because they know perfectly well that most semi automatic firearm can be rapidly manipulated without the use of gimmick devices! In 1994 we allowed the gun grabbing left to decide for us, that a standard capacity magazine should be only 10rds. Now in 2017 we are about to allow the gun grabbing left to decide how fast we are allowed to pull the trigger? If you think it will only be about bump fire stocks you are gravely mistaking!
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Exactly. I have no problem banning the bump stock. I have a big problem giving an inch to lying people who have no interest in stopping gun violence just making laws that restrict law abiding peoples rights.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Exactly. I have no problem banning the bump stock. I have a big problem giving an inch to lying people who have no interest in stopping gun violence just making laws that restrict law abiding peoples rights.
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I have a problem banning anything, especially a device that has been used by thousands without any issues for years
 
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