Phoenix man posts photos of giving up his guns, gets death threats [W:259]

What if...? said:

OK. I joked with my wife about voting for trump because I was quite sure he'd break the country.

I didn't, and tried to warn the Bernie folks not to make the mistake folks did. In the bush/gore contest. They were being bombarded by anti-hillary propaganda.

I held my nose and voted for her as a vote against trump. Even though it didn't matter in California. And I detest her for a variety of reasons.

Trump has no idea what he's doing. Hevs a terrible person. I don't think he thought he'd win. The look on his face when he won spoke volumes.

I still can't believe his supporters refused to see his constant practise of just saying things. Then saying the opposite thing the next day. Just saying whatever he thought people wanted to hear.

And the idea that a barely competent member of the upper class for life, who has screwed over working class people for his entire career was going to save them from the "elites". When he is one. And filled his cabinet with others. If he's draining the swamp its just so the alligators can see their prey better.

So I have real reasons for my dislike of him.

But his followers are high on the dopamine he feeds them. They don't care about any of these things if he pisses off liberals and undoes anything Obama did.

So I poke. Trying to deconstruct the programming they have been subjected to. I do the same to liberals too, on things like the 2nd Amendment, for instance.

But I'm always willing to discuss things rationally. And some of my favorite people here are conservative. I've even had my opinions on things modified by Turtledude.

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Well I had to hold my nose and vote for Donald Trump he was my first second third fourth or fifth pick. I was a fan of Marco Rubio. And just like you I live in Texas so if I voted for Hillary it wouldn't have mattered I just couldn't so either way we the people lose.

The things I'd criticize Trump on our first and foremost the border wall it's not feasible. I'd be surprised if it happened. I think he's handling North Korea like a 5 year old who got to the swing first. I think he should be a lot more reserved about the things he says on Twitter but I don't subscribe to Twitter so I don't read any of it. It seems to piss people off. I think that's why he does it.

The Puerto Rico crisis is being poorly handled if handled at all.

I think he ran not to get elected as well but for another reason. I think he ran to try and get some better Republicans running. I'm the past couple of Elections have shown us some really mediocre Republicans. I heard prediction that he might resign come 2018 but I don't trust predictions. The last Democrat to run before Hillary was Barack Obama and people were excited about him. Nobody was excited about McCain fewer people were excited about Mitt Romney. So that's why I think Trump ran. I don't think he expected to get elected.

Trump also is a maverick which means he will switch sides to get what he wants. I think this is a bit dangerous it's unpredictable.

I think if his critics thought things through end instead of having an emotional response have a cold emotionless response they might not get so much resistance from people that voted for him.

I don't think he hates women nor that he's a Nazi or a fascist or any of that stuff. I think calling him that harms the people who are calling him that credibility more than anything else.

If a conservative who grudgingly voted for Trump can criticize him anybody can.

Then you got his supporters that will support him no matter what and that's a cult of personality they like the saber-rattling a lot but I wouldn't pay them much mind.

yankintx said:

I have lived all over the world, and have yet to need a gun to protect my family, nor would I have one in my house.

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That's fine. You do you; I'll do me.

CLAX1911 said:

And you some how speak for blacks and women and Mexicans and Muslims? Because you said he insulted people that share those traits.


You just claimed to be insulted for a lot of people based on an incident of their birth.

++ don't understand, he said false things, disparaged people, and connected it to their race. Tell me, when you learn that Trump spread false info on black homicide, insulted Carly Fiorina's looks, called for the death penalty for the Central Park Five, how do you react. I react negatively because I had a friend whose black church was firebombed, know women like my wife and sister who were offended by his words, and, in the case of the CP Five, don't like the lynch-mob rhetoric he aimed at innocent black and Puerto Rican kids. I am insulted when Trump trashes people. It's called solidarity. He insults the flag more than the NFL players do by his words, his bigotry, his advocacy of torture, etc.

I don't think you have any room calling people jerks.

Also I see you completely withdrew from the argument that I made regarding people that are muslims not all being of the Islamic culture.

I wonder why that is...

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++ The problem is not Islam or Islamic culture, its Muslims who use Islam to spread hate and destruction, just like it isn't Catholicism that had some moron recruiting child soldiers in Uganda, but his mis-use of religion. Ditto the Catholic IRA Provos, more violent than its Marxist wing. I have run into Christians that believe all the weird stuff in Leviticus. Fortunately, most Jews don't. The scripture or religion in question isn't the problem, it's the "devils" that quote it to suit their purpose.

CLAX1911 said:

First, I said nothing about Muslims. I was talking about Islam. It seems quite bigoted of you not to know the difference.

And no nobody said 100% truthfully that Irish and Italian immagrants simply murdered people that go against their culture. Son e that is what I said about Islam you ate clearly lying.

Islamic countries governments actually sanction this form of "justice" I'm not just saying it. Its a verified fact. You'll likely drop this like you did with freedom in Europe.

what a ridiculous strawman. I said nothing g about rituals and their level of weirdness. You can't possibly believe that bull**** argument. Wearing different clothes or going to church on a different day of the week is not what I'm talking about.

It's killing women I honor crimes. Its forced marriage of child brides to their rapists. Its slaying homosexuals and ex muslims.

The traditions are barbaric and violent. But again you'll probably ignore this or give some twisted excuse.

I don't think the Chinese force child rape victims to marry their attacker of they are girls and simply slay the victims of they ate boys.

Three lack of awareness you have for cultures that aren't yours is unbelievable.

Good, I love muslims. The boy I adopted had several Muslim friends, as do I. Muslims are wonderful people.

I can't believe you hate them so much to say they all belong to the middle east violent culture.

How xenophobic and culturally unaware of you.

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Twisted excuse: it was customary for Sicilian women to have to marry their rapists. Some honor killings there as well. I worked on the case of a woman fleeing honor killings from one country where it might happen to another where it wouldn't, both predominately Islamic. In China up until recently you were forced to have an abortion or be sterilized after one child. Wasn't a religion that did this. I worked professionally with several of these women. The weird practices such as genital mutilation are common to cultures, actually parts of cultures in some countries, not a specific religion.

I too worked with several Muslims; embarrassed and ashamed that cultural customs were associated with religions, they set me straight. I met women activists working against, for example, genital mutilation. They informed me and the and the data showed that Christians and animists also did these same horrific things. It's not the religion, it may be the dumb interpretation of it, but the dominant motive is power and control. Look at the otherwise peaceful Buddhists in Myanmar persecuting Muslims, the Christians killing Muslims in former Yugoslavia, or the history of Hindu/Islamic/Sikh violence in India. Power and greed are most often the motives, religion the excuse.

Nickyjo said:

don't understand, he said false things, disparaged people, and connected it to their race.

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So?

Tell me, when you learn that Trump spread false info on black homicide, insulted Carly Fiorina's looks, called for the death penalty for the Central Park Five, how do you react.*

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Who?

I react negatively because I had a friend whose black church was firebombed, know women like my wife and sister who were offended by his words, and, in the case of the CP Five, don't like the lynch-mob rhetoric he aimed at innocent black and Puerto Rican kids. I am insulted when Trump trashes people. It's called solidarity. He insults the flag more than the NFL players do by his words, his bigotry, his advocacy of torture, etc.

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I don't care about your feelings. Feelings don't matter.

The problem is not Islam or Islamic culture, its Muslims who use Islam to spread hate and destruction

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Sorry that's been part of Islamic culture for 1300 years.

just like it isn't Catholicism that had some moron recruiting child soldiers in Uganda, but his mis-use of religion.

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Would only be an issue of we were importing Ugandan refugees.

Ditto the Catholic IRA Provos, more violent than its Marxist wing.

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Yet you don't care about the domestic violent Marxists. Its only when they are foreign.

I have run into Christians that believe all the weird stuff in Leviticus.

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Yeah, the old "but christans" argument. Find me a group of Christians that flew planes into buildings and killed 3000 people for Jesus than that crap will fly.

I don't give a **** what people believe.

Fortunately, most Jews don't. The scripture or religion in question isn't the problem,

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I didn't say the scripture genius I said it was the culture. in the West we had a thing called the Renaissance. The culture changed not the scripture.

it's the "devils" that quote it to suit their purpose.

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Yeah the culture.

Nickyjo said:

Twisted excuse: it was customary for Sicilian women to have to marry their rapists. Some honor killings there as well.

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So?

I worked on the case of a woman fleeing honor killings from one country where it might happen to another where it wouldn't, both predominately Islamic. In China up until recently you were forced to have an abortion or be sterilized after one child. Wasn't a religion that did this. I worked professionally with several of these women.

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What dies this have to do with anything? Are we talking about bringing in tens of thousands of Chinese refugees?

The weird practices such as genital mutilation are common to cultures, actually parts of cultures in some countries, not a specific religion.

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It's common in the USA. I think its barbaric here too.

I too worked with several Muslims; embarrassed and ashamed that cultural customs were associated with religions, they set me straight.

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Good grief I was talking about CULTURE. My partner got a side job teaching English to Muslim immagrants while he gets his teaching degree. They seemed quick to explain they took no issue with him being homosexual. That kind of caught him off guard.

I met women activists working against, for example, genital mutilation. They informed me and the and the data showed that Christians and animists also did these same horrific things. It's not the religion, it may be the dumb interpretation of it, but the dominant motive is power and control.

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No it's bat **** nuts religious culture. Because they circumcise boys too.

Look at the otherwise peaceful Buddhists in Myanmar persecuting Muslims, the Christians killing Muslims in former Yugoslavia, or the history of Hindu/Islamic/Sikh violence in India.

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We aren't talking about bringing tend of thousands of refugees in from these Buddhist areas or Yugoslavia. Its not about their culture being barbaric its about bringing it here. Its ****ed Europe up.

Power and greed are most often the motives, religion the excuse.

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I don't agree. They do it to boys too. And if you could explain how not having a foreskin gives sombody control over someone else I'd love to hear it.

CLAX1911 said:

So?
Who?
I don't care about your feelings. Feelings don't matter.

Sorry that's been part of Islamic culture for 1300 years.

Would only be an issue of we were importing Ugandan refugees.

++ My point was that perversions of scripture are universally applied across religions by hustlers. And would have to check, but we probably did take in some Ugandans, but would likely have been those fleeing that weird guy, not his followers.

Yet you don't care about the domestic violent Marxists. Its only when they are foreign.

++ Domestic Marxists? I don't much care about either, unless they get violent, then lock 'em up. My point was that the Catholic wing was reportedly more militant than the Marxist wing of the IRA.

Yeah, the old "but christans" argument. Find me a group of Christians that flew planes into buildings and killed 3000 people for Jesus than that crap will fly.

++ Christians do such things. Not so much recently, but Christian nations drop bombs on buildings and villages instead of flying into them. Osama's terrorism worked. By his measure it was a legit tactic of war, producing political results. We withdrew from Saudi Arabia, his lunatic obsession that inspired 9/11, and got bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan, strengthening Iran (not his intention) and creating ISIS and instability to replace odious, if stable dictatorships.

I don't give a **** what people believe.

I didn't say the scripture genius I said it was the culture. in the West we had a thing called the Renaissance. The culture changed not the scripture.
Yeah the culture.

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You are right. Parts of the Middle East need a renaissance, a rebirth of the humanist inquiry that was so important to the west. Don't think things turned dark 1300 years ago, but more recently. Dont know all the causes of the more recent change, but when Christians were indeed killing en masse for Jesus, the Islamic dominated cultures were more tolerant. I assume it was akin to some of the extreme beliefs US Indians adopted when they saw themselves colonized, their cultures destroyed, and they followed looney religious leaders who told them they would be immune to bullets. What was done to, say, Arabs by the Brits and French post WWI was on a much larger scale, but produced similar lunacy along with legitimate opposition.

Nickyjo said:

My point was that perversions of scripture are universally applied across religions by hustlers. And would have to check, but we probably did take in some Ugandans, but would likely have been those fleeing that weird guy, not his followers.

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Your point is irrelevant because it doesn't magically make Islamic culture compatible with the west.

Domestic Marxists? I don't much care about either, unless they get violent, then lock 'em up. My point was that the Catholic wing was reportedly more militant than the Marxist wing of the IRA

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Another irrelevant point. We aren't importing refugees from Ireland.

Christians do such things. Not so much recently, but Christian nations drop bombs on buildings and villages instead of flying into them.

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You don't understand. This isn't an argument about what religion is worse or better. So I don't care whay Christian theocracis do. We aren't talking about bringing ****ing refugees in from them.

You are right. Parts of the Middle East need a renaissance, a rebirth of the humanist inquiry that was so important to the west.

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Islam needs a renaissance.

Don't think things turned dark 1300 years ago, but more recently.

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You aren't up on your world history.

Dont know all the causes of the more recent change

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Same thing that caused it back when Mohammad was alive. Setting up a Caliphate. Really you should read up on it.

but when Christians were indeed killing en masse for Jesus, the Islamic dominated cultures were more tolerant.

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You don't know anything about the history of Islam but I'm supposed to believe you knits this? Bull ****. For Islam's first 600 years they fought 597 wars from Spain to Russia down to Africa. What halted the violence was the crusades.

I assume

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If you educate yourself you don't have to assume nonsense.

What was done to, say, Arabs by the Brits and French post WWI was on a much larger scale, but produced similar lunacy along with legitimate opposition.

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The death toll for Islam is estimated at 290 million. You need to learn your history.

I don't think the guy deserved death threats over it. I think it's foolish to do it publicly. But he can do out of he wishes.

The more things change, the more they remain the same. Go back and read about the "ignorant bogtrotters loyal only to the Pope and ill-suited for democracy," aka the Irish. (In delicious irony, Kearney Street in San Francisco, named after one of the bigger bigots, now helps guide one from downtown to Chinatown.) My favorite anti-Catholic story was of a group of bigots took a marble stone sent by the Pope to be part of the Washington Monument and threw it into the Potomac. Pam Gellar would have been proud. Obviously Catholic culture was incompatible with the US. Then, of course, an Irish Catholic leader spearheaded anti-Chinese sentiment in the west, because who could be more incompatible than the heathen Chinee? (Fitting irony is that Kearney Street leads one from downtown San Francisco to Chinatown.) Fast forward to the Italians: the failing New York Times editorialized about "sneaking and cowardly Sicilians, the descendants of bandits and assassins." Then came Jews, depicted in an editorial cartoon as crucifying Uncle Sam with debt.

All of these prejudices had some basis: Irish formed into gangs, Italians developed the Black Hand and brought the Mafia with them, and Jews were involved in finance. Big deal. The top crooks generations earlier were Germans. We can safely say that every group that immigrates engages in some form of mischief. Just ask the Native Americans. They didn't survive, but we will. So come on down, Syrians! You can't be any more incompatible than those that preceded you. And no doubt we'll love your food. Just ignore the new version of the Know-Nothing's.

Nickyjo said:

The more things change, the more they remain the same. Go back and read about the "ignorant bogtrotters loyal only to the Pope and ill-suited for democracy," aka the Irish. (In delicious irony, Kearney Street in San Francisco, named after one of the bigger bigots, now helps guide one from downtown to Chinatown.) My favorite anti-Catholic story was of a group of bigots took a marble stone sent by the Pope to be part of the Washington Monument and threw it into the Potomac. Pam Gellar would have been proud. Obviously Catholic culture was incompatible with the US. Then, of course, an Irish Catholic leader spearheaded anti-Chinese sentiment in the west, because who could be more incompatible than the heathen Chinee? (Fitting irony is that Kearney Street leads one from downtown San Francisco to Chinatown.) Fast forward to the Italians: the failing New York Times editorialized about "sneaking and cowardly Sicilians, the descendants of bandits and assassins." Then came Jews, depicted in an editorial cartoon as crucifying Uncle Sam with debt.

All of these prejudices had some basis: Irish formed into gangs, Italians developed the Black Hand and brought the Mafia with them, and Jews were involved in finance. Big deal. The top crooks generations earlier were Germans. We can safely say that every group that immigrates engages in some form of mischief. Just ask the Native Americans. They didn't survive, but we will. So come on down, Syrians! You can't be any more incompatible than those that preceded you. And no doubt we'll love your food. Just ignore the new version of the Know-Nothing's.

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This individual did it his weapon turn in publicly. He wanted people to see it. The reaction that he received was not what he expected. We all make mistakes in life. He now knows what mistake he made in this.

So what does one do? Don't think I have ever started a thread. Counterpuncher like the Donald. Plus I don't know how.