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NRA ok with More restrictions

TurtleDude said:
Could Obama's ATF prevented sales of bump stocks? - CNNPolitics


but because a bump stock is not a firearm, the ATF classified it as firearm part -- so the ATF wrote in a letter that it approved it because it doesn't have any real jurisdiction over firearm parts.
"We find that the bump stock is a firearm part and is not regulated as a firearm under Gun Control Act or the National Firearms Act," ATF said in a letter at the time.
Bump stocks allow semi-automatic weapons to simulate automatic fire but "do not actually alter the firearm to fire automatically, making them legal under current federal law," Snyder said.
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Then the law can and should change. Just like how over time it became illegal to modify certain car parts.
 
Oh btw, some top shooters can match the speed of the bump fire stock as can people who hold the rifle a certain way. Guess the bannerrhoids are going to try to ban all semi autos

this rate of fire is faster than some submachine guns btw



 
zsu2357 said:
I don't always agree with the NRA,but what makes you think they they are rethinking the Second Amendment? Agree with you? I doubt it.
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They are looking at bump stock legislation again as are most Republican Congressmen. The majority is not on your guys' side especially since nobody has told me a reason why these things should still be legal.
 
TurtleDude said:
Oh btw, some top shooters can match the speed of the bump fire stock as can people who hold the rifle a certain way. Guess the bannerrhoids are going to try to ban all semi autos

this rate of fire is faster than some submachine guns btw
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Look you and I probably agree on the fact that the legislation won't do much, but I welcome a change in the legislation anyway. If it doesn't do much, who the hell cares?
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Then the law can and should change. Just like how over time it became illegal to modify certain car parts.
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you just don't get it-nothing is being modified in the firearm
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
They are looking at bump stock legislation again as are most Republican Congressmen. The majority is not on your guys' side especially since nobody has told me a reason why these things should still be legal.
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you are mistaken thousands of people buy and use these things legally

the burden is on you to prove it should be banned and how do you ban it and not ban someone with exceptionally fast trigger fingers?
 
TurtleDude said:
you just don't get it-nothing is being modified in the firearm
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I don't see how sticking something into the gun, that wasn't there when it was first built, isn't modifying it. If you put a scope on a gun you are modifying the gun.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Look you and I probably agree on the fact that the legislation won't do much, but I welcome a change in the legislation anyway. If it doesn't do much, who the hell cares?
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I don't like passing stupid laws that ban stuff, put business in peril just so assholes in office can pretend they did something so they can pander to people like you and others. Others who also want to pretend you did something useful when you didn't
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I don't see how sticking something into the gun, that wasn't there when it was first built, isn't modifying it. If you put a scope on a gun you are modifying the gun.
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uh its not sticking anything in the gun.
 
TurtleDude said:
uh its not sticking anything in the gun.
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You probably think I don't know this, but I've taken apart guns and reassembled them. That's all you do. You stick pieces together. They all come apart and you can modify as you like. Why do you say things that are untrue?
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Why? :roll:
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why do people buy fast cars? because they want to. Frankly, I have no idea why people want to play golf, hang glide, mountain climb, drink booze, snort coke, or other such things. But guess what-I don't do stuff I don't have any use for. its obvious you don't like guns, know nothing about guns, and dislike the politics of gun owners. buy demanding people justify something they want to own and have fun with is a completely idiotic and frankly dangerous attitude. it suggests a fascist control freak view on the rights of others
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
You probably think I don't know this, but I've taken apart guns and reassembled them. That's all you do. You stick pieces together. They all come apart and you can modify as you like. Why do you say things that are untrue?
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bump fire doesn't modify how the weapon functions. a fast finger does the same thing. holding the gun loosely does the same thing. GET IT
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
You probably think I don't know this, but I've taken apart guns and reassembled them. That's all you do. You stick pieces together. They all come apart and you can modify as you like. Why do you say things that are untrue?
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which guns, I am curious

and why did you take them apart

did you do a field strip, an armorer's strip or a complete total disassembly
 
MACS-24 said:
Good God, how many other rights are you so easily willing to throw away for another's mis-use?
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The rifles were used for the purpose they made for. THAT'S the problem.
 
jet57 said:
The rifles were used for the purpose they made for. THAT'S the problem.
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uh that is like saying gasoline that is put in a molotov cocktail was used as intended

or a baseball bat that is used to club someone to death was used as intended

major fail
 
TurtleDude said:
why do people buy fast cars? because they want to. Frankly, I have no idea why people want to play golf, hang glide, mountain climb, drink booze, snort coke, or other such things. But guess what-I don't do stuff I don't have any use for. its obvious you don't like guns, know nothing about guns, and dislike the politics of gun owners. buy demanding people justify something they want to own and have fun with is a completely idiotic and frankly dangerous attitude. it suggests a fascist control freak view on the rights of others
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What use for guns do you have other than, you like them and want to own them? That totally contradicts your claim that you don't do stuff you don't have any use for. But I was strictly speaking of the bump stock. You didn't answer the question, why do thousands of people want it? What use is it for? If it's the same as a fast trigger finger, what's the point? I've never used a bump stock and plenty of other hunters have said they don't get it.
 
TurtleDude said:
which guns, I am curious

and why did you take them apart

did you do a field strip, an armorer's strip or a complete total disassembly
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It was during my time in ROTC, total disassembly and cleaning.
 
TurtleDude said:
uh that is like saying gasoline that is put in a molotov cocktail was used as intended

or a baseball bat that is used to club someone to death was used as intended

major fail
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TD, he clearly planned and thought about how to go about killing as many people as possible, and bump stocks were most likely part of that train of thought.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
It was during my time in ROTC, total disassembly and cleaning.
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ah an M16 assuming you are 60 or younger

easy to do, good skill to have. I built an AR 15 from scratch-not because I needed one but since I compete with one its a very good educational process. did the same with a 1911: I actually had a guy buy it off me for far more than I had in it. again it was to really understand how it works
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
TD, he clearly planned and thought about how to go about killing as many people as possible, and bump stocks were most likely part of that train of thought.
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well there are other things he could have done but what is really curious is this

he bought the guns on paper. I don't think he had any real understanding that he was going to be able t get out of there carrying all those guns

his end game sucked. so if his goal was really to get away he would have done many things differently

1) not used guns that could be traced to him

2) not in a room that obviously he paid for with a credit card

this whole claim that he did not INTEND To die makes no sense at all

a guy planning to get away would not be in a room tied to his name

he wouldn't use weapons he is on paper as having

he would be mobile-shooting from a position that would allow him to get away quickly

this guy planned this far too long to have almost guaranteed the authorities would know who he was a long before he could get out of the USA

it now looks more and more like a suicide attack

which brings us back the next question

unless his real goal was to see if he could break a sick record (of the Orlando shooter) one wonders why he didn't fly a 200 MPH napalm bomb into the crowd.

I think NOW the only thing that makes sense is he wanted to break the sick record of the Orlando shooter

he guaranteed he was not going to get away
 
TurtleDude said:
well there are other things he could have done but what is really curious is this

he bought the guns on paper. I don't think he had any real understanding that he was going to be able t get out of there carrying all those guns

his end game sucked. so if his goal was really to get away he would have done many things differently

1) not used guns that could be traced to him

2) not in a room that obviously he paid for with a credit card

this whole claim that he did not INTEND To die makes no sense at all

a guy planning to get away would not be in a room tied to his name

he wouldn't use weapons he is on paper as having

he would be mobile-shooting from a position that would allow him to get away quickly

this guy planned this far too long to have almost guaranteed the authorities would know who he was a long before he could get out of the USA

it now looks more and more like a suicide attack

which brings us back the next question

unless his real goal was to see if he could break a sick record (of the Orlando shooter) one wonders why he didn't fly a 200 MPH napalm bomb into the crowd.

I think NOW the only thing that makes sense is he wanted to break the sick record of the Orlando shooter

he guaranteed he was not going to get away
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I actually agree with what you said, and he had bombs and stuff in his car, plus he checked out other locations, probably to see which one would yield the most impact. If he learned through Youtube videos how to carry this out, he might have gotten the idea from there to use bump stocks to make things go quicker and deadlier. Either way, bump stocks aided in his effort, if that was what his effort was.
 
MACS-24 said:
post 36.
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Silly denial won't work. Everything that asshole used was made to kill large amounts of people in a very short time.

Your kind of idiotic politics is what has facilitated this BS.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I actually agree with what you said, and he had bombs and stuff in his car, plus he checked out other locations, probably to see which one would yield the most impact. If he learned through Youtube videos how to carry this out, he might have gotten the idea from there to use bump stocks to make things go quicker and deadlier. Either way, bump stocks aided in his effort, if that was what his effort was.
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I have never denied that bump fire stocks-when you are essentially shooting fish in a barrel with lots of people packed together, might aid some murderers in increasing the body count. but that is not a reason to ban something.

btw the news announced this same asshole booked a room (see my poll question in the poll section BTW) by Lalapalooza in Chicago as well but apparently decided alternative music fans were not to be his target
 
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